Future Events Why is it such a common opinion that Zoro takes the Nidai?

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cleanmrpostman said:
I can't but I also can't name any where two meito are introduced and one is given way more screen time and importance while the other is never built on. Also can't name a time where we were in Wano, the land of samurai and katana. Chances are we'd find more blades here, in fact I'm kind of disappointed we haven't seen more. Oda likely took this chance to progress the Kitetsu plot here, just adds more depth to Wano and it's very easy to do here of all places.
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Yea I agree I was expecting like 5 meito's to be shown here and a couple great samurai welding them. But we only got 2 and both were connected to Zoro. Zoro still didn't get a chance to hold nidai like he wanted and once this war is over that is going to happen. In that case Zoro is either going to swap out swords or nidai will be given to someone but nidai is not staying in kitetsu's warehouse. I think zoro's leaving with the sword and if not adult momo will get it.
 
Master OF Haki

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cleanmrpostman said:
Basically the Nidai's a nice bit of world building that expands upon and reminds us of the Kitetsu blades. But as far as Zoro moving through each one it's unnecessary, a vain attempt at a power-up for Zoro that he doesn't need. A power-up that would be hardly visible (if at all) compared to the strength Zoro gained from taming Enma.

If Zoro trades the Sandai in for a higher-ranked model it reduces the idea of a bond between blades we've been shown throughout the story and again recently in Ringo to garbage. If Oda has Zoro break the Sandai for any reason, it regresses Zoro's progress as a swordsman and brings him great shame just for a blade that Oda hasn't proved he gives a shit about.
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I think that Zoro will eventually give Enma back to Hiyori and Tenguyama will in exchange offer Nidai as a WORTHY Enma replacement. Now, why would Zoro give Enma back after what he has been through with it? Well, mainly for two reasons: 1. Enma can't accept Zoro as his master–for whatever reason–and his "will" is unfitting with Zoro's. 2. Enma will always be something with Oden's spirit (whatever that means).

Just like with Sanj's raid suit, Zoro's Enma undermines Zoro's character and takes away from his achievements. Until this day we are not sure whether Zoro would be able to cut Kaido without Enma or not, and the entire Rooftop fight it was Enma that was getting all the attention from Meme and Kaido, not Zoro. And just like Sanji's raid suit was destroyed after he got his power up, I can see Zoro giving Enma back after he got his power up as well. I think that turn of events would be the best for Zoro's character.
 
The White Crane

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cleanmrpostman said:
Whenever the topic of swords Zoro's taking out of Wano the Nidai is always brought up as though it's being built up this way. But other than it being the higher ranked Kitetsu, or Zoro having a balance in the ranks of his blades there's nothing supporting it. It has no plot significance at all in comparison to the Wado long term, Enma in Wano or even Shusui which we're coming back to when Zoro visit's Ryuma's grave.

The Nidai's meant to be stronger than the Sandai I guess but have there been any shortcomings the Sandai's faced that the Wado or another O Wazamono overcame? It's a cursed blade but in comparison to Enma's 'cursed' quality the Nidai won't be interesting at all. And if Oda tried to force a weird ability or quirk from the Nidai it'd be a way too contrived attempt at making it seem comparable to Enma.

Basically the Nidai's a nice bit of world building that expands upon and reminds us of the Kitetsu blades. But as far as Zoro moving through each one it's unnecessary, a vain attempt at a power-up for Zoro that he doesn't need. A power-up that would be hardly visible (if at all) compared to the strength Zoro gained from taming Enma.

If Zoro trades the Sandai in for a higher-ranked model it reduces the idea of a bond between blades we've been shown throughout the story and again recently in Ringo to garbage. If Oda has Zoro break the Sandai for any reason, it regresses Zoro's progress as a swordsman and brings him great shame just for a blade that Oda hasn't proved he gives a shit about.

Let me know your perspective if you want, thanks
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Nice point.

Also, each of Zoro's blade is related to a woman: Wado/Kuina, Sandai/Tashigi, and Enma/Hiyori. The two he received from men (Yubashiri and Shusui), ended up being destroyed or replaced. Unless Nidai is related to a lady somehow, it's lore-exclusive.
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AdmiralKinyagi said:
Because Zoro is weak and Sanji is way stronger.
Regeneration, durability, speed, plasma generation, etc. all put Sanji way ahead of Zoro in terms of power.

Thus many including myself think Zoro needs to replace the Sandai with the Nidai to stay competitive and remain in the Monster Trio.
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Yami_faiser

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Master OF Haki said:
I think that Zoro will eventually give Enma back to Hiyori and Tenguyama will in exchange offer Nidai as a WORTHY Enma replacement. Now, why would Zoro give Enma back after what he has been through with it? Well, mainly for two reasons: 1. Enma can't accept Zoro as his master–for whatever reason–and his "will" is unfitting with Zoro's. 2. Enma will always be something with Oden's spirit (whatever that means).

Just like with Sanj's raid suit, Zoro's Enma undermines Zoro's character and takes away from his achievements. Until this day we are not sure whether Zoro would be able to cut Kaido without Enma or not, and the entire Rooftop fight it was Enma that was getting all the attention from Meme and Kaido, not Zoro. And just like Sanji's raid suit was destroyed after he got his power up, I can see Zoro giving Enma back after he got his power up as well. I think that turn of events would be the best for Zoro's character.
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Ur 2 reasons make no sense since :
1- If enma doesn't accept Zoro as its master, it just means that Zoro couldn't tame it and he wasn't measuring up to its standards which only belittle zoro's dream
2-Enma was never something with Oden's spirit (reread ch 1033)
Sanji's RS he received from his abusive family that caused him PTSD just from hearing their name is a completly different story from Zoro's sword that literally doesn't undermines or takes away from zoro's character or achievements in any sense .True enma was indeed getting all the attention from kaido and that's one of the reasons why zoro is going to the roof again,as for the desperate memes from sanjitards , no one gives a f about em since they will always find a way to downplay zoro whether he used enma or not lol. Also, didn't we literally know that zoro was holding back the whole time before he fought king? So by questioning whether Zoro is able to harm Kaido without enma or not, it only means that you are lacking comprehension skills.
Sanji is still dealing with his new germa powerups, so I don't really think destroying the rs was of any importance to Sanji's character.
In the end, I don't see how him returning one of the 2 the swords representing his Shimotsuki clan would be the best for his character ,not to mention there's no f way that would happen if he forged enma into a black blade lol
 
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The White Crane said:
Nice point.

Also, each of Zoro's blade is related to a woman: Wado/Kuina, Sandai/Tashigi, and Enma/Hiyori. The two he received from men (Yubashiri and Shusui), ended up being destroyed or replaced. Unless Nidai is related to a lady somehow, it's lore-exclusive.
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I didn't think about that, so in essence Zoro's had two girls with him this whole time now 3ish. Lol the guys bite the dust.
Lol just a funny interpretation.
 
kumae

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The White Crane said:
Nice point.

Also, each of Zoro's blade is related to a woman: Wado/Kuina, Sandai/Tashigi, and Enma/Hiyori. The two he received from men (Yubashiri and Shusui), ended up being destroyed or replaced. Unless Nidai is related to a lady somehow, it's lore-exclusive.
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That's the reason I want EOW stay with his current swords three swords given by three different women how beautiful
zoro is not the type of person that change swords because "yes this one is better I don't want this anymore"
Also did you realized that the birthday of this women are next to each other :kawak:
Kuina in september Tashigi in october hiyori in december while zoro is in the middle november
 
The White Crane

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kumae said:
That's the reason I want EOW stay with his current swords three swords given by three different women how beautiful
zoro is not the type of person that change swords because "yes this one is better I don't want this anymore"
Also did you realized that the birthday of this women are next to each other :kawak:
Kuina in september Tashigi in october hiyori in december while zoro is in the middle november
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Interesting, mate. :myman:

To make it even more interesting, aside from his lineage possibility, Zoro's birth month (November) is written as Shimotsuki in old Japanese calendars. This, too, can't be a coincidence. :christmwai:
 
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