Future Events Is Sanji vs Beckman the new beat ?
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I’m talking about the Luffy/Zoro/Shanks/Mihawk connection, where Beckman doesn’t fit in.
Mihawk has a pretty minuscule list of characters he actually cares about and Oda has shown him having any meaningful interactions with.
The top two are Zoro, who he thinks can surpass him, and Shanks, his former rival.
After that it’s Luffy, who he is very interested in seeing- which comes from the relationship with Shanks- and Perona, who he lived with.
And… that’s pretty much it for him.
And if Luffy, Zoro, Shanks and Mihawk all get wrapped together in the same arc (Usopp and Yasopp too) Oda can deal with a lot of fairly important character interactions at the same time.
Meanwhile Sanji doesn’t have any relations with the Red Hair Pirates, and Beckman doesn’t have any outside them. Well, he’s friends with Luffy, but so are all Shanks’ executives.
Mihawk has a pretty minuscule list of characters he actually cares about and Oda has shown him having any meaningful interactions with.
The top two are Zoro, who he thinks can surpass him, and Shanks, his former rival.
After that it’s Luffy, who he is very interested in seeing- which comes from the relationship with Shanks- and Perona, who he lived with.
And… that’s pretty much it for him.
And if Luffy, Zoro, Shanks and Mihawk all get wrapped together in the same arc (Usopp and Yasopp too) Oda can deal with a lot of fairly important character interactions at the same time.
Meanwhile Sanji doesn’t have any relations with the Red Hair Pirates, and Beckman doesn’t have any outside them. Well, he’s friends with Luffy, but so are all Shanks’ executives.
no need for headcanon here.
Oda simply assumes that people like you have better reading comprehension than a child how would he know that sanji saying it was bad and feeling his leg hurt would lead people like you to assume he would win?
Oda simply assumes that people like you have better reading comprehension than a child how would he know that sanji saying it was bad and feeling his leg hurt would lead people like you to assume he would win?
I didn't denied that, the point is you're trying to make such big deal that Sanji is just as important for the crew than Zoro is, Zoro and Sanji are seen similarly in authority and strength by their own Captain, crewmates and allies
Marco called both "stars" that were about to "take the stage"
Robin called both Luffy's wings (including in the editor's note)
Whats the big deal about it?
You're literally ignoring all the argues about the thread's actual matter, which is the possibility of Sanji vs Beckman happening
Everything you managed to come up with is:
"Wow that color spread, Zoro >= Bepo confirmed apparently
"
But you're the one acting like the thread is about "Zoro not being the right hand"
Zoro doesn't need to fight and beat every single right hand existant in the OP verse, Mihawk isn't anyone's right hand either
Marco called both "stars" that were about to "take the stage"
Robin called both Luffy's wings (including in the editor's note)
Whats the big deal about it?
You're literally ignoring all the argues about the thread's actual matter, which is the possibility of Sanji vs Beckman happening
Everything you managed to come up with is:
"Wow that color spread, Zoro >= Bepo confirmed apparently
"But you're the one acting like the thread is about "Zoro not being the right hand"
Zoro doesn't need to fight and beat every single right hand existant in the OP verse, Mihawk isn't anyone's right hand either
I didn't denied that, the point is you're trying to make such big deal that Sanji is just as important for the crew than Zoro is, Zoro and Sanji are seen similarly in authority and strength by their own Captain, crewmates and allies
Marco called both "stars" that were about to "take the stage"
Robin called both Luffy's wings (including in the editor's note)
Whats the big deal about it?
You're literally ignoring all the argues about the thread's actual matter, which is the possibility of Sanji vs Beckman happening
Everything you managed to come up with is:
"Wow that color spread, Zoro >= Bepo confirmed apparently"
But you're the one acting like the thread is about "Zoro not being the right hand"
Zoro doesn't need to fight and beat every single right hand existant in the OP verse, Mihawk isn't anyone's right hand either
Marco called both "stars" that were about to "take the stage"
Robin called both Luffy's wings (including in the editor's note)
Whats the big deal about it?
You're literally ignoring all the argues about the thread's actual matter, which is the possibility of Sanji vs Beckman happening
Everything you managed to come up with is:
"Wow that color spread, Zoro >= Bepo confirmed apparently
"But you're the one acting like the thread is about "Zoro not being the right hand"
Zoro doesn't need to fight and beat every single right hand existant in the OP verse, Mihawk isn't anyone's right hand either
The only other one I see him fighting is Shiryu, which makes perfect sense. I sincerely think the reason Beckman doesn't seem to "fit" the same #2 motif as King/Shiryu is because Mihawk is supposed to fill that role (and not really as a #2, just the penultimate fight).
Plus, Beckman doesn't even carry a sword, which unlike every single fight in this series for Zoro, could suggest that they will never fight each other like Katakuri being a hand to hand combatant. I think people will understand this notion if Oda has Mihawk and Shanks ally.
I never said you denied that. Reread my previous reply.
All I did was poke holes at your absurd notion that Oda has Zoro and Sanji share this right-hand spot together.
Everything I came up with is Oda telling us Zoro—and Zoro alone—is Luffy's right-hand man. Either you're scatterbrained or this is another attempt at dishonesty.
No one said he will. And again, you're moving the goal post.
All I did was poke holes at your absurd notion that Oda has Zoro and Sanji share this right-hand spot together.
Everything you managed to come up with is:
"Wow that color spread, Zoro >= Bepo confirmed apparently"
"Wow that color spread, Zoro >= Bepo confirmed apparently
"
No one said he will. And again, you're moving the goal post.
I think the problem is everyone has their own mindset about Zoro/Sanji, so the idea gets canned in a jumbled mess without anyone truly understanding each other.
I think that if you can believe Mihawk can ally with Shanks, then Sanji can fight Beckman regardless of what people think is his status as a "right or left" hand or not. That's basically it. Zoro will always fight the stronger antagonist in a faction, and I assume Mihawk would be > Beckman because of what we know about Mihawk and Shanks
I think that if you can believe Mihawk can ally with Shanks, then Sanji can fight Beckman regardless of what people think is his status as a "right or left" hand or not. That's basically it. Zoro will always fight the stronger antagonist in a faction, and I assume Mihawk would be > Beckman because of what we know about Mihawk and Shanks
yeah because the fight stopped before vergo could break his bone, you are almost at Kindergarten level
No, the vivre card didn't imply "power", just status as a pirate. Go and read translations for that line, we were told to take it with a grain of salt on what it exactly meant. Plus, it doesn't really matter. If Ben, Shanks and Mihawk are all "comparable", it's the endgame so it doesn't really matter, the "order" would still stand.
I'm also not sure why you aren't seeing what I'm talking about. If they have a proper battle, and Mihawk is part of that by virtue of only having known associations with Shanks, Zoro and Luffy, then what you are saying isn't gonna happen. Zoro won't fight Beckman in that scenario.
I'm also not sure why you aren't seeing what I'm talking about. If they have a proper battle, and Mihawk is part of that by virtue of only having known associations with Shanks, Zoro and Luffy, then what you are saying isn't gonna happen. Zoro won't fight Beckman in that scenario.
Sanji vs Kuroobi
Kuroobi > Hatchi: Kuroobi has the bigger bounty. Also was planned to be the FM
Sanji vs Mr 2
Mr 1 > Mr 2: 1 > 2
Sanji vs Jabra
Jabra ~ Kaku: Kaku has little dorki higher (only base strength), however Jabra has a better DF and trained with it more. Sure Kaku has more potential. But up until that point Kaku was defintely not stronger
Sanji vs Absaldom
Absaldom > Ryuma: Ryuma was a Zombie, Absaldom was leader of the Zombies.
Sanji vs Queen
King > Queen: Stated to be FM. Has the higher Bounty.
- Didnt count Sanji vs Satori in comparison to Zoro vs Ohm, since Sanji never had a fight with Satori. Just a Oneshot
- But still Ohm > Satori: Lower survival rate
- Didnt count Sanji vs Wanze in comparison to Zoro vs Tbone, since Zoro never had a fight with Tbone. Just a Oneshot
- But still Wanze > Tbone: Each cart had a stronger fight
Kuroobi > Hatchi: Kuroobi has the bigger bounty. Also was planned to be the FM
Sanji vs Mr 2
Mr 1 > Mr 2: 1 > 2
Sanji vs Jabra
Jabra ~ Kaku: Kaku has little dorki higher (only base strength), however Jabra has a better DF and trained with it more. Sure Kaku has more potential. But up until that point Kaku was defintely not stronger
Sanji vs Absaldom
Absaldom > Ryuma: Ryuma was a Zombie, Absaldom was leader of the Zombies.
Sanji vs Queen
King > Queen: Stated to be FM. Has the higher Bounty.
- Didnt count Sanji vs Satori in comparison to Zoro vs Ohm, since Sanji never had a fight with Satori. Just a Oneshot
- But still Ohm > Satori: Lower survival rate
- Didnt count Sanji vs Wanze in comparison to Zoro vs Tbone, since Zoro never had a fight with Tbone. Just a Oneshot
- But still Wanze > Tbone: Each cart had a stronger fight