Character Discussion Zoro downplay has reached a new height after chapter 1038
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I'm not dismissing anything because of Brook tbh. You can mention anyone anywhere from Luffy to Dragon to Mihawk to Shanks to Brook and it would be the same in that regards.
A plot-line introduced with Zoro is not going to be hype-tool for someone else in Wano. And even if someone else is involved, it'll be heavily Zoro centric if it's introduced as Zoro centric. But all that aside,this is essentially "Nothing Happened" 2.0, of course Oda is not going to just lolpoof the 2x pain/damage stuff for same of hype tool of someone else.
Also, shittalkers aren't undermining Zoro. Brook helping Zoro doesn't make Zoro look bad- and the shittalkers don't really want Zoro to look bad, either. A lot of them are hoping beyond hope that Zoro doesn't do anything that adds even more to his already insanely impressive Wano run, is all lol
With that said, again, never said Z-boys can't be toxic. Just adding that majority of people who hardcore support Brook theory aren't doing it because it makes a lot of sense. They just don't want more Zoro hype lol
A plot-line introduced with Zoro is not going to be hype-tool for someone else in Wano. And even if someone else is involved, it'll be heavily Zoro centric if it's introduced as Zoro centric. But all that aside,this is essentially "Nothing Happened" 2.0, of course Oda is not going to just lolpoof the 2x pain/damage stuff for same of hype tool of someone else.
Also, shittalkers aren't undermining Zoro. Brook helping Zoro doesn't make Zoro look bad- and the shittalkers don't really want Zoro to look bad, either. A lot of them are hoping beyond hope that Zoro doesn't do anything that adds even more to his already insanely impressive Wano run, is all lol
With that said, again, never said Z-boys can't be toxic. Just adding that majority of people who hardcore support Brook theory aren't doing it because it makes a lot of sense. They just don't want more Zoro hype lol
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Outside of this forum, Yes. On WG, hell nooooooo.
As if Zoro stans don't downplay and get triggered every time a Luffy chap drops about downplay.
The funny part is saying Luffy is stronger than Zoro is now considered downplay. Any time a Luffy chapter drops, it is always the same 5 Zoro stans creating multiple threads to downplay Luffy and you wna turn around and play victim
Same with the Sanji stans, they are so fixated on Zoro that it is sickening. You two fandoms are as bad as each other and the latest is now for you two clowns to join forces and downplay Kid. Say what you want about Kid but he has some of the best fans, all they do is appreciate their favourite character.
Same with the Yamato fans
Ohhh ffs the grim reaper is not Brook
As if Zoro stans don't downplay and get triggered every time a Luffy chap drops about downplay.
The funny part is saying Luffy is stronger than Zoro is now considered downplay. Any time a Luffy chapter drops, it is always the same 5 Zoro stans creating multiple threads to downplay Luffy and you wna turn around and play victim
Same with the Sanji stans, they are so fixated on Zoro that it is sickening. You two fandoms are as bad as each other and the latest is now for you two clowns to join forces and downplay Kid. Say what you want about Kid but he has some of the best fans, all they do is appreciate their favourite character.
Same with the Yamato fans
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Ohhh ffs the grim reaper is not Brook
Well, Shishio usually doubles down on it to bring the point across better but can we really blame him for saying Zoro mid diffs BM?
After we saw that she is being hurt by a performance that basically Franky Shogun can replicate just by running into her...
Zoro doesnt do extreme diffs anyway, it is not possible with his combat style, at least so far.
Even someone as capable as King was high diff because of Enma backstabbing, otherwise, it is a mid diff as well.
And King is a far better fighter than Big Mom and cannot be harmed by silly things such as throwing metal at him...
I know that if Oda were to draw Zoro vs Big Mom he would make it high diff so the Emperor doesnt look that bad but realistically mid diff is not that wild of a claim considering all that we saw. Zori has been looking down on her since Fishman Island.
After we saw that she is being hurt by a performance that basically Franky Shogun can replicate just by running into her...
Zoro doesnt do extreme diffs anyway, it is not possible with his combat style, at least so far.
Even someone as capable as King was high diff because of Enma backstabbing, otherwise, it is a mid diff as well.
And King is a far better fighter than Big Mom and cannot be harmed by silly things such as throwing metal at him...
I know that if Oda were to draw Zoro vs Big Mom he would make it high diff so the Emperor doesnt look that bad but realistically mid diff is not that wild of a claim considering all that we saw. Zori has been looking down on her since Fishman Island.
Outside of this forum, Yes. On WG, hell nooooooo.
As if Zoro stans don't downplay and get triggered every time a Luffy chap drops about downplay.
The funny part is saying Luffy is stronger than Zoro is now considered downplay. Any time a Luffy chapter drops, it is always the same 5 Zoro stans creating multiple threads to downplay Luffy and you wna turn around and play victim
Same with the Sanji stans, they are so fixated on Zoro that it is sickening. You two fandoms are as bad as each other and the latest is now for you two clowns to join forces and downplay Kid. Say what you want about Kid but he has some of the best fans, all they do is appreciate their favourite character.
Same with the Yamato fans
Ohhh ffs the grim reaper is not Brook
As if Zoro stans don't downplay and get triggered every time a Luffy chap drops about downplay.
The funny part is saying Luffy is stronger than Zoro is now considered downplay. Any time a Luffy chapter drops, it is always the same 5 Zoro stans creating multiple threads to downplay Luffy and you wna turn around and play victim
Same with the Sanji stans, they are so fixated on Zoro that it is sickening. You two fandoms are as bad as each other and the latest is now for you two clowns to join forces and downplay Kid. Say what you want about Kid but he has some of the best fans, all they do is appreciate their favourite character.
Same with the Yamato fans
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Ohhh ffs the grim reaper is not Brook
It's not triggering, but it's an incessant idea that makes no sense. The gorosei and CP members are focused on Robin and he's her only help. It's dumb if he leaves in any capacity.
As far as Zoro goes the idea of separating him from his own plot to play up Brook, who again is in another plot, is crummy storytelling. Zoro is almost dead because he sacrificed himself to stop the Yonko and then took on the risk of double damage to stop the most dangerous subordinate. If he is now facing Death then obviously he won't die so he will grow. If he is not facing Death then there is no growth, just a random moment for a less involved character who again, is already busy. Franky is nearby, Marco is a flying doctor, is Chopper is staff doctor... there is no place for Brook unless you believe that Zoro's plot is less significant than Oda has been implying.
Dude, stop it lol. I absolutely believe that Zoro with En Ou CoC can beat Big Mom solo, but that's talking about a condition he won't be in until a while after Onigashima. There was never an opportunity for that in this arc.
As far as Zoro goes the idea of separating him from his own plot to play up Brook, who again is in another plot, is crummy storytelling. Zoro is almost dead because he sacrificed himself to stop the Yonko and then took on the risk of double damage to stop the most dangerous subordinate. If he is now facing Death then obviously he won't die so he will grow. If he is not facing Death then there is no growth, just a random moment for a less involved character who again, is already busy. Franky is nearby, Marco is a flying doctor, is Chopper is staff doctor... there is no place for Brook unless you believe that Zoro's plot is less significant than Oda has been implying.
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Dude, stop it lol. I absolutely believe that Zoro with En Ou CoC can beat Big Mom solo, but that's talking about a condition he won't be in until a while after Onigashima. There was never an opportunity for that in this arc.
As opposed to Pica defeating current Luffy lool, yh that's the same:yasu:
Saying current base Luffy that is currently fighting Kaido > Zoro ain't even that outlandish tbh
This is Luffy with a much better control with adcoc, adcoa and adcoo. That ain't even downplay. If the WSC can't even push Luffy to use his strongest mode, what chance does Zoro have??
How exactly is that downplay???
Saying current base Luffy that is currently fighting Kaido > Zoro ain't even that outlandish tbh
This is Luffy with a much better control with adcoc, adcoa and adcoo. That ain't even downplay. If the WSC can't even push Luffy to use his strongest mode, what chance does Zoro have??
How exactly is that downplay???
Well.. How many attacks do you think Zoro needs to take her out?
The fewer attacks he needs the less difficult the fight is and Zoro is the king of effective hits.
Considering how sluggish Big Mom is, what among her arsenal will make the fight difficult for Zoro?
Lightning based attacks are dodgeable and even when they hit they deal no damage.
Fire based attacks are useless vs Zoro. Ikoku may be something that Zoro needs to look out for but he can dodge it at the very least.
Zoro is too good of a fighter for her to land a clean hit on him, she has no way of doing it. Maybe she can do what King did and overpower him in a clash and send him flying into walls because that seems the only way how Zoro takes damage...
Zoro's defense is too good, he is too fast and his attacks are very effective.
I dont think CoC attacks are necessary whatsoever considering that hakiless bulls are doing quite a number on her...
We really need to start considering the option that Zoro is in a league of his own and sadly Big Mom's performance doesnt look promising to give her the benefit of the doubt that she can push Zoro a lot. Now sure what you mean with En Ou condition unavailable until after Onigashima... No opportunity for what? En Ou Zoro attacking Big Mom? If rooftop Zoro can significantly harm Kaido with crowd control move like Tatsumaki and cut him so badly that it leaves a scar with Asura, in broken condition, imagine what all that does to BM...
The fewer attacks he needs the less difficult the fight is and Zoro is the king of effective hits.
Considering how sluggish Big Mom is, what among her arsenal will make the fight difficult for Zoro?
Lightning based attacks are dodgeable and even when they hit they deal no damage.
Fire based attacks are useless vs Zoro. Ikoku may be something that Zoro needs to look out for but he can dodge it at the very least.
Zoro is too good of a fighter for her to land a clean hit on him, she has no way of doing it. Maybe she can do what King did and overpower him in a clash and send him flying into walls because that seems the only way how Zoro takes damage...
Zoro's defense is too good, he is too fast and his attacks are very effective.
I dont think CoC attacks are necessary whatsoever considering that hakiless bulls are doing quite a number on her...
We really need to start considering the option that Zoro is in a league of his own and sadly Big Mom's performance doesnt look promising to give her the benefit of the doubt that she can push Zoro a lot. Now sure what you mean with En Ou condition unavailable until after Onigashima... No opportunity for what? En Ou Zoro attacking Big Mom? If rooftop Zoro can significantly harm Kaido with crowd control move like Tatsumaki and cut him so badly that it leaves a scar with Asura, in broken condition, imagine what all that does to BM...
I'm not talking about you i did say you have the right to your opinion..
whatever the focus of the plot may be it doesn't mean people here dismiss opinions just coz they are different and involve brook helping zoro out.
which is what itches them.. Brook helping zoro out.. this doesn't necessarily mean zoro os out of commission.. the whole point of the theories with brook isn't to prove zoro is down but brook helping him out in whatever way thay
so you can't say the haters supporting brook relate theory is to push the "zoro is out of commission" agenda.
again i repeat and you're just vaguely touching upon it but you said it yourself if zoro haters aren't undermining zoro coz they seem pitiful and are getting nothing out of it,and here's where you contradict if they get nothing out of it then why do they support the theory?, ofc coz the theories posit a logical assumption that can be built upon, just coz the majority here supporting are "haters " according to you that just proves how pitiful some in Z bois are.. blatant adhominem .. its the pitiful and petty bunch that can't stand brook helping zoro out.. they're being dismissive unreasonably and it again fucking pitiful
which was my point from the get go.. those dismissing the theory unconditionally are the unappreciative pieces of shit.
you just unintentionally proved that some zoro haters atleast logically gauge opinions whether that be Ndule or someone else unlike the one's being unreasonably dismissive aboit the theory ( some z bois)
again what you said just proved how screwed people are here in z-boi faction
it just proves that the hating majority (giving you the benefit of the doubt) atleast gauges things logically than some z bois here lol
funnily no one else except for some Z boi have a problem with those brook theories..
pretty disproportionate minority i must say so myself
whatever the focus of the plot may be it doesn't mean people here dismiss opinions just coz they are different and involve brook helping zoro out.
which is what itches them.. Brook helping zoro out.. this doesn't necessarily mean zoro os out of commission.. the whole point of the theories with brook isn't to prove zoro is down but brook helping him out in whatever way thay
so you can't say the haters supporting brook relate theory is to push the "zoro is out of commission" agenda.
again i repeat and you're just vaguely touching upon it but you said it yourself if zoro haters aren't undermining zoro coz they seem pitiful and are getting nothing out of it,and here's where you contradict if they get nothing out of it then why do they support the theory?, ofc coz the theories posit a logical assumption that can be built upon, just coz the majority here supporting are "haters " according to you that just proves how pitiful some in Z bois are.. blatant adhominem .. its the pitiful and petty bunch that can't stand brook helping zoro out.. they're being dismissive unreasonably and it again fucking pitiful
which was my point from the get go.. those dismissing the theory unconditionally are the unappreciative pieces of shit.
you just unintentionally proved that some zoro haters atleast logically gauge opinions whether that be Ndule or someone else unlike the one's being unreasonably dismissive aboit the theory ( some z bois)
again what you said just proved how screwed people are here in z-boi faction
it just proves that the hating majority (giving you the benefit of the doubt) atleast gauges things logically than some z bois here lol
funnily no one else except for some Z boi have a problem with those brook theories..
pretty disproportionate minority i must say so myself
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Look, Big Mom has Haki at least up to par with Luffy, she's not taking many clean hits. And that's only after you get past her main homies and peripheral homies... which hopefully don't spark you. Indra was already a problem and Hera is stronger than Zeus. The idea that Zoro can win when he's 100% is even kind of iffy because it depends on how much stamina he has in using his full power.
No character who isn't an EOS top tier stands a chance at "mid diffing" a Yonko. Please don't prove these jokers right.
No character who isn't an EOS top tier stands a chance at "mid diffing" a Yonko. Please don't prove these jokers right.
I'm not talking about you i did say you have the right to your opinion..
whatever the focus of the plot may be it doesn't mean people here dismiss opinions just coz they are different and involve brook helping zoro out.
which is what itches them.. Brook helping zoro out.. this doesn't necessarily mean zoro os out of commission.. the whole point of the theories with brook isn't to prove zoro is down but brook helping him out in whatever way thay
so you can't say the haters supporting brook relate theory is to push the "zoro is out of commission" agenda.
again i repeat and you're just vaguely touching upon it but you said it yourself if zoro haters aren't undermining zoro coz they seem pitiful and are getting nothing out of it and here's where you contradict if they get nothing out of it then why do they support the theory ofc coz the theories posit a logical assumption that can be built upon just coz the majority here supporting are haters " according to you that just proves how pitiful some in Z bois are.. blatant adhominem .. its the pitiful and petty bunch that can't stand brook helping zoro out.. they're being dismissive unreasonably and it again fucking pitiful
which was my point from the get go.. those dismissing the theory unconditionally are the unappreciative piece of shit.
you just unintentionally proved that some zoro haters atleast logically gauge opinions whether that be Ndule or someone else unlike the one's being unreasonably dismissive
whatever the focus of the plot may be it doesn't mean people here dismiss opinions just coz they are different and involve brook helping zoro out.
which is what itches them.. Brook helping zoro out.. this doesn't necessarily mean zoro os out of commission.. the whole point of the theories with brook isn't to prove zoro is down but brook helping him out in whatever way thay
so you can't say the haters supporting brook relate theory is to push the "zoro is out of commission" agenda.
again i repeat and you're just vaguely touching upon it but you said it yourself if zoro haters aren't undermining zoro coz they seem pitiful and are getting nothing out of it and here's where you contradict if they get nothing out of it then why do they support the theory ofc coz the theories posit a logical assumption that can be built upon just coz the majority here supporting are haters " according to you that just proves how pitiful some in Z bois are.. blatant adhominem .. its the pitiful and petty bunch that can't stand brook helping zoro out.. they're being dismissive unreasonably and it again fucking pitiful
which was my point from the get go.. those dismissing the theory unconditionally are the unappreciative piece of shit.
you just unintentionally proved that some zoro haters atleast logically gauge opinions whether that be Ndule or someone else unlike the one's being unreasonably dismissive
Bruh... I'll try to explain why you are having trouble seeing it my way.
She has that haki and iron bulls running at her are getting clean hits in...
You can counter that but that's only because she was affected by Law's cheap shot.
It is not because of that, she wasnt affected by it when Franky's Rhino bike rammed into her face head-on.
She wasnt affected by that when Zoro snatched Prometheus from under her and she fell into the dirt face down...
Kaido has the same haki and even he couldnt stop CoC-less Zoro from slashing his chest open. And he tried.
Hommies arent a problem for Law and Kidd, I dont know why someone far superior would have a problem with them...
Stamina is not a problem for Zoro, Big Mom is in a problem because no way she can last against Zoro with such bad performance.
The part where I agree is that top tiers shouldnt be mid diffed from a story writing perspective since it makes the whole tier look bad.
However, it already basically happened with King. You may not consider him top tier but he undoubtedly is one.
You have two voices in your head, one that you would describe as reasonable and the other you would call unreasonable.
"Reasonable" one says Zoro cant be that strong. "Unreasonable" one asks What if he is that strong.
One thing is always true with Zoro - he surpasses all expectations.
She has that haki and iron bulls running at her are getting clean hits in...
You can counter that but that's only because she was affected by Law's cheap shot.
It is not because of that, she wasnt affected by it when Franky's Rhino bike rammed into her face head-on.
She wasnt affected by that when Zoro snatched Prometheus from under her and she fell into the dirt face down...
Kaido has the same haki and even he couldnt stop CoC-less Zoro from slashing his chest open. And he tried.
Hommies arent a problem for Law and Kidd, I dont know why someone far superior would have a problem with them...
Stamina is not a problem for Zoro, Big Mom is in a problem because no way she can last against Zoro with such bad performance.
The part where I agree is that top tiers shouldnt be mid diffed from a story writing perspective since it makes the whole tier look bad.
However, it already basically happened with King. You may not consider him top tier but he undoubtedly is one.
You have two voices in your head, one that you would describe as reasonable and the other you would call unreasonable.
"Reasonable" one says Zoro cant be that strong. "Unreasonable" one asks What if he is that strong.
One thing is always true with Zoro - he surpasses all expectations.
they want zoro to beat the real grim reaper , 
if oda made this thing happen, it will prove the fact he will break his standards just to wank this boy, he might as well put santa claus on a match with zoro. zoroboys brains are fck up,
they even wanted zoro to have sharingan .
if oda made this thing happen, it will prove the fact he will break his standards just to wank this boy, he might as well put santa claus on a match with zoro. zoroboys brains are fck up,they even wanted zoro to have sharingan .
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Zoro is the Erza of One Piece? How so?
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That is true, 'cause current Zoro would low diff Meme. :cheers:
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Imagine saying this while Lanjino exists.
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Bruh... I'll try to explain why you are having trouble seeing it my way.
She has that haki and iron bulls running at her are getting clean hits in...
You can counter that but that's only because she was affected by Law's cheap shot.
It is not because of that, she wasnt affected by it when Franky's Rhino bike rammed into her face head-on.
She wasnt affected by that when Zoro snatched Prometheus from under her and she fell into the dirt face down...
Kaido has the same haki and even he couldnt stop CoC-less Zoro from slashing his chest open. And he tried.
Hommies arent a problem for Law and Kidd, I dont know why someone far superior would have a problem with them...
Stamina is not a problem for Zoro, Big Mom is in a problem because no way she can last against Zoro with such bad performance.
The part where I agree is that top tiers shouldnt be mid diffed from a story writing perspective since it makes the whole tier look bad.
However, it already basically happened with King. You may not consider him top tier but he undoubtedly is one.
You have two voices in your head, one that you would describe as reasonable and the other you would call unreasonable.
"Reasonable" one says Zoro cant be that strong. "Unreasonable" one asks What if he is that strong.
One thing is always true with Zoro - he surpasses all expectations.
She has that haki and iron bulls running at her are getting clean hits in...
You can counter that but that's only because she was affected by Law's cheap shot.
It is not because of that, she wasnt affected by it when Franky's Rhino bike rammed into her face head-on.
She wasnt affected by that when Zoro snatched Prometheus from under her and she fell into the dirt face down...
Kaido has the same haki and even he couldnt stop CoC-less Zoro from slashing his chest open. And he tried.
Hommies arent a problem for Law and Kidd, I dont know why someone far superior would have a problem with them...
Stamina is not a problem for Zoro, Big Mom is in a problem because no way she can last against Zoro with such bad performance.
The part where I agree is that top tiers shouldnt be mid diffed from a story writing perspective since it makes the whole tier look bad.
However, it already basically happened with King. You may not consider him top tier but he undoubtedly is one.
You have two voices in your head, one that you would describe as reasonable and the other you would call unreasonable.
"Reasonable" one says Zoro cant be that strong. "Unreasonable" one asks What if he is that strong.
One thing is always true with Zoro - he surpasses all expectations.
All I will say is that no one is mid diffing Big Mom. That's a deluded statement.
