General & Others The Great Debate - Will Luffy Solo Kaido this Arc?
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Luffy won't solo Kaido
He can't solo Doflamingo and got help from Law, gladiators, Gatz and Viola
Can't solo Cracker and got help from Nami and homies
Can't solo Katakuri and got (indirect) help from Katakuri and Brulee
The era of "Luffy soloes" ended with Don Chinjao fight.
Come to think of it, he also didn't solo Arlong. He would die drowning if the villagers didn't rescue him.
He can't solo Doflamingo and got help from Law, gladiators, Gatz and Viola
Can't solo Cracker and got help from Nami and homies
Can't solo Katakuri and got (indirect) help from Katakuri and Brulee
The era of "Luffy soloes" ended with Don Chinjao fight.
Come to think of it, he also didn't solo Arlong. He would die drowning if the villagers didn't rescue him.
Acting as if base kaido doesnt destroy luffy.
I bet these are the same people who were saying luffy will 1vs1 big mom. They never learn.
And yet most of the people here think he can defeat him now because he got his punch to be so strong that it bypasses durability. Nevermind the fact that other stats are at play and that damaging someone doesnt mean you can 1vs1 them. But i guess to those idiots, Oden is near luffy level and not a top tier and Kaido from 20 years ago is the same and Kaido now. If luffy 1vs1s kaido, he 1vs1s admirals too as well as other yonkos after this. It would litteraly remove any semblance of threat that this story has. Not that it had any since timeskip.
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Luffy will get the last blow because this is a shonen series, but I don’t know how many drugs or what kind you have to be on to think it’ll be a 1v1 the whole way through...but I *would* like to know where I can get some as well 
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And yet most of the people here think he can defeat him now because he got his punch to be so strong that it bypasses durability. Nevermind the fact that other stats are at play and that damaging someone doesnt mean you can 1vs1 them. But i guess to those idiots, Oden is near luffy level and not a top tier and Kaido from 20 years ago is the same and Kaido now. If luffy 1vs1s kaido, he 1vs1s admirals too as well as other yonkos after this. It would litteraly remove any semblance of threat that this story has. Not that it had any since timeskip.
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Doing better doesnt mean 1vs1ing ,especially since the gap is that severe. training for a few days doesnt make you go from fodder to overwhelming someone. Thats the worst writting ive ever seen. Luffy couldnt do anything against kaido at all and he got overwhelmed in speed and strength and one shot. No one has done that before, even croc didnt. All of his other fights before were the oponent wining due to hax or the difference in power wasnt that much. He couldnt hit croc but once he figured it out it was easy, because croc was only shown dominating him with his hax. As for lucci, base luffy made him bleed and he didnt one shot luffy either just threw him back. luffy was fine and dandy after that. This is different, you cant compare these dudes to one of the 4 strongest pirates in the world.
If luffy 1vs1s Kaido, it would be an asspull of the highest order.
If luffy 1vs1s Kaido, it would be an asspull of the highest order.
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Luffy’s clearly unlocking advanced CoA just to give him the means to injure Kaido, not necessarily the strength...there’s simply no way he can master such a move in, what, the week since he’s been free from Udon? Like you said, there’s never been this wide a gap between him and his opponent; as indomitable as Luffy is, he won’t leave Onigashima alive without significant help from everyone we’ve seen in this arc so far and/or several people we haven’t yet spotted.
I think Luffy can 1v1 Kaido and defeat him , as long as Kaido actually doesn't have Hybrid . if he has Hybrid then Luffy could very well get assisted with Law , Zoro , maybe Kid
Luffy didn't have Observation Haki or FS though when Kaido blitzed him , which was a massive loss
Luffy wasn't calm , he was raged . Katakuri said one have to be calm for Observation Haki to work
if Luffy had Observation/FS , the fight would've been longer imo , but since he wasn't capable of hurting Kaido ( with his attacks outside KKG at least ) , it would have been a higher end of Mid Diff for ( Base ) Kaido
but now Luffy has 2 levels of Advanced Armament , right ? which Luffy himself and Hyogoro believed to be capable of hurting Kaido's insides , and passing even the most durable parts of Kaido's body ( scales )
1 type of those Advanced Armaments is the same type as the one Aokiji , Akainu , Kizaru used to block a Whitebeard's Quake , the other 1 type can hurt Kaido's insides ( as Luffy and Hyogoro believed at least )
so while Luffy was indeed 1 shotted by Base Kaido , in Fire Festival he will have FS + 2 types of Advanced Armament .
these 3 are massive power ups . Luffy went from being defeated ( and destroyed ? ) by Katakuri before FS , and post FS he was able to defeat Kata
that's why i think Luffy will overwhelm ( and shock ) Kaido in Fire Festival , though Hybrid Kaido will overwhelm him
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Yes , Lucci and Crocodile can't be compared to Kaido , but Alabasta Luffy and Enies Lobby Luffy can't be compared to this Luffy either
Luffy didn't have Observation Haki or FS though when Kaido blitzed him , which was a massive loss
Luffy wasn't calm , he was raged . Katakuri said one have to be calm for Observation Haki to work
but now Luffy has 2 levels of Advanced Armament , right ? which Luffy himself and Hyogoro believed to be capable of hurting Kaido's insides , and passing even the most durable parts of Kaido's body ( scales )
1 type of those Advanced Armaments is the same type as the one Aokiji , Akainu , Kizaru used to block a Whitebeard's Quake , the other 1 type can hurt Kaido's insides ( as Luffy and Hyogoro believed at least )
so while Luffy was indeed 1 shotted by Base Kaido , in Fire Festival he will have FS + 2 types of Advanced Armament .
these 3 are massive power ups . Luffy went from being defeated ( and destroyed ? ) by Katakuri before FS , and post FS he was able to defeat Kata
that's why i think Luffy will overwhelm ( and shock ) Kaido in Fire Festival , though Hybrid Kaido will overwhelm him
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Yes , Lucci and Crocodile can't be compared to Kaido , but Alabasta Luffy and Enies Lobby Luffy can't be compared to this Luffy either
I understand where you are coming from, i too think that him learning FS as well as advanced haki is to fight kaido. But there is a reason for him to do that. And its to be able to dodge kaidos attack, law is also there for that reason. His room will keep teleporting people in and out while they fight kaido. Luffy alone lacks the attack potency to greatly injure kaido. Sure the hits will add up but he needs assistance too. Luffy while fighting kata has shown that he was in the same ballpark stats wise( speed and strenght and endurance) in his g4 so all he really needed is up his COo to close the gap.
Again, in this case. Kaido is faster than G4 luffy, he is way stronger than G4 luffy, and he has stamina for litteral days( as shown with his fight against big mom). Luffy will suprise kaido by actually injuring him somewhat( however small the injury) but it will be enough for kaido to take him more seriously. If you recall, kaido was actually testing luffys strength out and then sighed and blitz one shot him. Having Fs doesnt mean much if the oponent is faster than you btw.
Again, in this case. Kaido is faster than G4 luffy, he is way stronger than G4 luffy, and he has stamina for litteral days( as shown with his fight against big mom). Luffy will suprise kaido by actually injuring him somewhat( however small the injury) but it will be enough for kaido to take him more seriously. If you recall, kaido was actually testing luffys strength out and then sighed and blitz one shot him. Having Fs doesnt mean much if the oponent is faster than you btw.
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So Luffy's taking Kaido alone, but Zoro and Sanji are taking fucking Perospero and Orochi
Imagine Yonko tier Luffy and his strongest subordinates: YC4 Zoro and High-Veteran Sanji.
Yonko Tier crew
Imagine Yonko tier Luffy and his strongest subordinates: YC4 Zoro and High-Veteran Sanji.
Yonko Tier crew
