Versus Battle Hisoka vs Doffy

[TheAncientCenturion]

Oda sometimes prioritizes plot over power levels, the speed feats are still there. Mach 8 is a shit tier speed level for Doflamingo. Base Luffy reacted to a point blank explosion in Punk Hazard. Base Luffy gets bitchslapped by Doflamingo. Scaling alone really puts him far beyond hypersonic. I don't know anything about HxH but it's constantly claimed to be one of the weaker shonen verses so the wank is just strange to me lmfao.

Everything Lil D wanks is very strange.

 

[Steven]

Mach 1 is borderline Subsonic

While OP High-Tiers are in the 4 Digit´s

You can compare HxH to BnHA in power but thats it.Meruem,the strongest being in HxH is just 1 digit megaton

Also both threads show´s again that speed debates are the worst and most boring thing is.Just make it speed equal

 

[Chrono]

Oda sometimes prioritizes plot over power levels, the speed feats are still there. Mach 8 is a shit tier speed level for Doflamingo. Base Luffy reacted to a point blank explosion in Punk Hazard. Base Luffy gets bitchslapped by Doflamingo. Scaling alone really puts him far beyond hypersonic. I don't know anything about HxH but it's constantly claimed to be one of the weaker shonen verses so the wank is just strange to me lmfao.

But like you said Explosions in OP arent probably gonna be the same speed as in real life, or HxH. As they are mythical and we really dont know the speed. But lets ignore that for now.

Base Luffy was matching Doffy actually.

Of course Doffy wasnt using strings, but his base speed is no quicker than Luffy tbh. And even then base Luffy could react to him

Aditional information about Hisoka if you dont know. But dude is pretty much a Zombie. Cut of his limbs and he will create new ones out of nen

And he's pretty much died and came back to life. Of course thats only assuming he still has his heart left.

Although doubt he could do this more than once. Anyways I'm still waiting for the feats that would show that Doffy would blitz him like alot of people are saying.

Here is the explosion feat btw.

HxH universe is a severly underrated universe. The strongest character can take a nuke and still live. People like to call it weak because most battles rely on wit more than power.

 

[Finalbeta]

Doffy parasites Hisoka before he can even attempt at using Bungee Gum

 

[Chrono]

Doffy parasites Hisoka before he can even attempt at using Bungee Gum

Honestly can you and @Efege stop with these half assed posts. And actually contribute.

 

[Sentinel]

Honestly can you and @Efege stop with these half assed posts. And actually contribute.

That's just the differences in strength and speed between the HxH and OP verse.

If we disregard OP speed feats like that, why don't we compare HxH with Naruto instead?

 

[Chrono]

That's just the differences in strength and speed between the HxH and OP verse.

If we disregard OP speed feats like that, why don't we compare HxH with Naruto instead?

Naruto actually has really impressive speeds. Not so much for OP. There only impressive speeds are to do with dodging matter, such lazers and lightning. And like Shu said we have no idea if they scale to real life as it wouldnt normally work like that

Anyways for Doffy. Everyone saying he can speed blitz. But not one person has shown me an impressive speed feat. It just goes to show the generalisation of OP being a stronger verse than it acc is. Its also pretty ironic and funny as fights and combat is the last thing on Oda's mind. With his recent 2 page fights he's releasing lmao.

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Acc on second thought. Naruto Verse isnt even that fast. Only highly destructive.

 

[Finalbeta]

Honestly can you and @Efege stop with these half assed posts. And actually contribute.

I did and explained the dynamic of this fight.

Reason was obvious so I didn't mention it. Doffy too fast.

 

[Steven]

HxH universe is a severly underrated universe. The strongest character can take a nuke and still live. People like to call it weak because most battles rely on wit more than power.

Rusebomb is iirc around 20 megatons.In which world is that impressive?

Doffy should be 100 Megatons due to Pica´s feat

Not sure to what Hisoka scales but since he is a ant(lol) compare to Meruem and Netero,he dont scale to Rosebomb

 

[Chrono]

Rusebomb is iirc around 20 megatons.In which world is that impressive?

Doffy should be 100 Megatons due to Pica´s feat

Not sure to what Hisoka scales but since he is a ant(lol) compare to Meruem and Netero,he dont scale to Rosebomb

Where do you get these calcs. Please give a sensbile answer. Oh I forgot its impossible cause your just saying bull.

 

[Steven]

Where do you get these calcs. Please give a sensbile answer. Oh I forgot its impossible cause your just saying bull.

What are you talking?Rosebomb being in the low MT´s is knows since almost 7 years or so.

I fail to see why you think HxH>OP?

Ray´s feats against Kizaru alone was 0.25c or around mach 200500 or around 20% SoL

And Marcos feat against Kizaru was 0.57c or around mach 500700 or around 50% SoL

The best speed feat in HxH is Neteros attack,which is around mach 300.And Hisoka dont even scale to that.He still stuck at low 2 digit mach

OP is also around 1600x faster(only counting top tiers)

 

[Chrono]

What are you talking?Rosebomb being in the low MT´s is knows since almost 7 years or so.

I fail to see why you think HxH>OP?

Ray´s feats against Kizaru alone was 0.25c or around mach 200500 or around 20% SoL

And Marcos feat against Kizaru was 0.57c or around mach 500700 or around 50% SoL

The best speed feat in HxH is Neteros attack,which is around mach 300.And Hisoka dont even scale to that.He still stuck at low 2 digit mach

OP is also around 1600x faster(only counting top tiers)

You say this and that with no proof. Where is your proof ? Where is it known ? Where is it stated ? Where is it shown ? WHERE ?

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All of what you are saying is pure cap. You dont even know what you are talking about.

 

[sanjikun]

What is this thread lmfao? Mereum is the only one who gets taken seriously in OP.

 

[Steven]

You say this and that with no proof. Where is your proof ? Where is it known ? Where is it stated ? Where is it shown ? WHERE ?

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All of what you are saying is pure cap. You dont even know what you are talking about.

It was calced months ago

https://www.narutoforums.org/thread...-electron-boogalopolis.1164475/#post-59930608

 

[Albino 👑]

I love both but i had a hisoka avatar and now he's my sig so i gotta say he upper mid diffs

 

[Chrono]

It was calced months ago

https://www.narutoforums.org/thread...-electron-boogalopolis.1164475/#post-59930608

Yes that is depending on the fact if Kizaru moved at all. A lot of people ( including me) believe he didnt move.

The anime further backs us up

I love both but i had a hisoka avatar and now he's my sig so i gotta say he upper mid diffs

Seems like a reasonable argument

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What is this thread lmfao? Mereum is the only one who gets taken seriously in OP.

Lmao sure.

 

[Steven]

Yes that is depending on the fact if Kizaru moved at all. A lot of people ( including me) believe he didnt move.

The anime further backs us up

Seems like a reasonable argument

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Lmao sure.

He was/moved already in his Lightform

We can clearly see that the photons moving forward

Also we have Marco´s feat as well

Shirohige = 6.6m = 17px.
Distance between Shirohige and his crew = 35.717m = 92px.

Shirohige = 6.6m = 64px.

Distance between Shirohige and Marco = 12.99m = 126px.

Distance the laser was before Marco intercepted = 84.56m = 820px.

Calc: (48.707m*300000000m/s) / 84.56m = 172801561 m/s or 0.57c Relativistic+

Credits to The Calaca

Marco was fast enough to block/intercept Kizarus YnM on a short distance.This is one of the best speedfeats in OP

While Neteros attack speed is the best in HxH

Netero = 298 pixels

Distance Above Attack = 794 pixels

Distance Above Attack/Netero = 2.664

Netero = 1.8 meters (his toes are pointed, accounting for it)

Distance Above Attack = 4.795 meters

Middle Panel

Netero = 295 pixels

Distance Above Attack = 713 pixels

Distance Above Attack/Netero = 2.417

Netero = 1.8 meters

Distance Above Attack = 4.351 meters

Left Page

Netero = 319 pixels

Distance Above Attack = 736 pixels

Attack Travel = 1589 pixels

Distance Above Attack/Netero = 2.307

Attack Travel/Netero = 4.981

Netero = 1.8 meters

Distance Above Attack = 4.153 meters

Total Fall Distance = 4.351 - 4.153 = 0.198 meters

Attack Travel = 8.966 meters

Speed of Netero's Free Fall = ~2,261 m/s

Time Frame = 0.0000876 seconds

Netero's Attack Speed = 102,352 m/s or mach 300.779(MHS)

Credits to ChaosTheory123

Only Netero,Meruem and maybe Adult Gon scales to this,while Hisoka still stuck in the HS+ range

 

[Chrono]

He was/moved already in his Lightform

We can clearly see that the photons moving forward

Those Photons are the Yata no Kagami beams.

Again nothing indicates Kizaru moved fully from ghe spot. You can see Kizaru ducking down barely dodging because he was about to move in that direction. Rayleigh cut the beam before really. All Kizaru did was try to turn into light at that point. Rayleigh is literally in front of him. Kizaru's incompetence allowed himself to get cut because Yata no Kagami needs build uo to move at light.

As you can see in the first panel. Rayleigh looks at the beam of light. From this panel we xan imply thats when Ray got the idea of what was gonna happen. And that he needs to stop the light. He then proceeds to cut the light beam before Kizaru moves.

Also we have Marco´s feat as well

Shirohige = 6.6m = 17px.
Distance between Shirohige and his crew = 35.717m = 92px.

Shirohige = 6.6m = 64px.

Distance between Shirohige and Marco = 12.99m = 126px.

Distance the laser was before Marco intercepted = 84.56m = 820px.

Calc: (48.707m*300000000m/s) / 84.56m = 172801561 m/s or 0.57c Relativistic+

Credits to The Calaca

Marco was fast enough to block/intercept Kizarus YnM on a short distance.This is one of the best speedfeats in OP

While Neteros attack speed is the best in HxH

Netero = 298 pixels

Distance Above Attack = 794 pixels

Distance Above Attack/Netero = 2.664

Netero = 1.8 meters (his toes are pointed, accounting for it)

Distance Above Attack = 4.795 meters

Middle Panel

Netero = 295 pixels

Distance Above Attack = 713 pixels

Distance Above Attack/Netero = 2.417

Netero = 1.8 meters

Distance Above Attack = 4.351 meters

Left Page

Netero = 319 pixels

Distance Above Attack = 736 pixels

Attack Travel = 1589 pixels

Distance Above Attack/Netero = 2.307

Attack Travel/Netero = 4.981

Netero = 1.8 meters

Distance Above Attack = 4.153 meters

Total Fall Distance = 4.351 - 4.153 = 0.198 meters

Attack Travel = 8.966 meters

Speed of Netero's Free Fall = ~2,261 m/s

Time Frame = 0.0000876 seconds

Netero's Attack Speed = 102,352 m/s or mach 300.779(MHS)

Credits to ChaosTheory123

Only Netero,Meruem and maybe Adult Gon scales to this,while Hisoka still stuck in the HS+ range

Of course this is all assuming the lazers move at lightspeed. Which I proved that they don't.

Nope incorrect.

Most lasers in fiction are not real or provable as real. Often they are supernatural in nature and do not function anywhere close to how real light should. Therefore, lasers/light beams are only accepted as real if they meet, at a minimum, a few of these criteria:

• The beam refracts in a new material, such as a liquid or...
• The beam reflects off a material that it can be expected to, such as a non-magical mirror
• The beam is called lightspeed by reliable sources
• It is stated to be made of photons or light itself, again by a reliable source
• It has its origin at a realistic source of light, such as a camera

Furthermore, there are a few criteria which show a beam is NOT real light:

• It is shown at different speeds in the same material
• It is tangible and can be interacted with physically by normal humans
• They do not travel in straight lines (unless you can prove refraction/reflection, see above)

Please note that the opposite of these criteria do not prove a beam is at lightspeed, merely that it could be, should it meet the first list of criteria. Should there be great evidence in favor of the light being real or lightspeed, comparably minor showing against it being real can be overruled.

Additionally, if a series is very close to lightspeed or exceeds it in several other calcs and scenarios (such as what is seen in DBZ), there is less of a burden of proof to show that the laser is a true laser.

Found this interesting quote.

- The Lazers were never said to move at light speed
- True light can be reflected.
- They create explosions thus interacting with people.


The lazers in OP very differently to how real life lazers should. So why should we believe they are the speed of light without it ever being said. Their lazers are not lightspeed. It was never stated to be lightspeed at all. The only thing thar fits the basic idea of light is the Noro Noro Beam and the Kizaru's Yata no Kagami



FTE is unmeasurable way of showing speed. It just shows they can move faster than fodder can see. Plenty of anime universes can do it.

 

[Steven]

This photons are his whole Body

The Databook also confirms that he fights at LS and the vivrecard tells us that only dudes with high level CoO can keep up with him.

You literally see how he turns into light.You still need to be as fast as Kizaru to cut him in his lightform.Logia´s are normal elements.

Heck,even Foxy´s beams are SoL.They are made out of photons and acting like photons

 

[Dark Admiral]

Hisoka with high diff. Doffy has his parasite but with Gyo Hisoka can easily fend them and Hisoka also has his own version of Parasite - Bungee Gum, which has the property of both rubber and gum. lol. Haki can be matched with nen and speed wise both are pretty even. Hisoka can loose a limb or two and can have them replaced with his Rubber made prosthetic limbs. The blood lust on Hisoka is little too high than Mingo. He lives to fight strong opponents and seeks them out unlike Doffy who fears the very mention of Kaido.