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It will feel like sloppy seconds for me tbh. Also Kid and Law should be allowed to get the defeat on her, it just feels very odd to me that they won't take down BM but Luffy will have to beat her later instead. If he fights her as he should have, it should be at Elbaf instead imo. This is just such a messy situation tbh, even as Kidd fan, I'm in two minds about whether she should be defeated right now or still be up again this chapter to come.

I don't need Luffy to clown her even more than she already has been already, he's already been giving Kaido hell now out of almost nowhere and imagine what he'll do to BM after she's been clowned so brutally in this arc and then faces Pirate Jesus/Next Joyboy/Next Nika or whatever himself?

But given Oda has "forgotten" the BM pirates for absolutely ages now, I fear she is not done here regardless too, I think they will return at Elbaf or BM will be forced to retreat with them for one reason or another and Smoothie and especially Compote will still do nothing despite their apparent importance and strength lmfao. Seeing how Oda has treated Jack has made me much more fearful/concerned now too for them.

It would have been so much more satisfying if Luffy and even all the SHs fought BM together in a grand finale to their built up war from Fishman Island with each other but its also succinctly ironic that Lola originally said to Nami at Thriller Bark that her mother would help them too, given what Big Mom has turned out to be like too lmao.

The more I think about this, the worse it gets.

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I like Luffy AND Kid, but I wanted Luffy to beat her, too, lol.

The Alternative I see is that she reverts to O-Lin permanently and decides to help Luffy as Lola originally thought she would. I feel like that would solve this whole mess while resolving some plot points, too.
 


Oh fuck no, don't tell me awakenings are selective like CoC? So not all DFs can't have it? I had the headcanon that CoC would be needed to to Awaken DFs but that would fuel the exact notion that I hate ironically, that not all DFs can be awoken or can only be awoken by CoC users then and thus like CoC, you can't learn it, you have to be born with it. I hate that shit. Fuck that "born great" or "born talented " shit.

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I think he means it more in the sense that awakening is so rare you rarely get to see awakened devil fruit abilities, not that only some devil fruits have awakening. but i could be wrong.
Another translation from cnet128 (reliable translator who sadly stopped at chapter 930) :
 
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I like Luffy AND Kid, but I wanted Luffy to beat her, too, lol.

The Alternative I see is that she reverts to O-Lin permanently and decides to help Luffy as Lola originally thought she would. I feel like that would solve this whole mess while resolving some plot points, too.
Yeah, I'm just tired of the Luffy show and Luffy getting all the Ws, its even the Law show for a few arcs now too whereas Kidd is the underdog to both of them still and getting the most slander and underestimating by the community so its just very tiring. They even call him the Sanji of the SNs, which shows they like to pick on him just as they do with Sanji.

I'm not sure how to feel about O-Lin to return and be permanent as I hate how it even happened with no explanation too, how is Pudding DFs which is based around memory manipulation not even a key plot element with BM and her misunderstood and even suppressed memories? At least if the Carmel possessing BM theory is true, it could have been Carmel losing control of her temporarily when BM drowned and lost consciousness but Carmel would have kept up the child and giant trafficking if she were still alive and could ofc too. Napoleon was strangely quiet when O-Lin happened too and didn't say anything. I can't even remember where Prometheus was, he didnt help BM when she fell back then too lol. At least we know Zeus was with Nami ofc

But I have wanted BM to become an ally too and thus O-Lin might be necessary, that side of is similar to her child self after all ofc. Your idea is interesting though, it would be a nice way to callback to and live up to that claim by Lola and given children like Toko, Momo and Tama are suffering especially starvation and even poisoning, she should be FURIOUS and could end up being the one to really help reform Wano and bring propserity to the Whole (Cake) of it and turn it into another sort of paradise like Totland and Elbaf but without the issues of those places especially the child trafficking Carmel did ofc lol.
 
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Oh fuck no, don't tell me awakenings are selective like CoC? So not all DFs can't have it? I had the headcanon that CoC would be needed to to Awaken DFs but that would fuel the exact notion that I hate ironically, that not all DFs can be awoken or can only be awoken by CoC users then and thus like CoC, you can't learn it, you have to be born with it. I hate that shit. Fuck that "born great" or "born talented " shit.

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This is what Doffy meant to say

"Devil Fruit abilities have a whole other stage to them. It’s called "Awakening"! Very rarely, an ability will "awaken", and begin to affect things other than the user's own body!


This implies DF can be awakened but it's rare to awaken the df because it requires mastery over your own DF.

Is it linked to CoC? No indication but we have evidence which counters it.

Law hasn't shown CoC yet he has awakening


Prison guards in Impel down had no CoC yet they had awakening.
 


Oh fuck no, don't tell me awakenings are selective like CoC? So not all DFs can't have it? I had the headcanon that CoC would be needed to to Awaken DFs but that would fuel the exact notion that I hate ironically, that not all DFs can be awoken or can only be awoken by CoC users then and thus like CoC, you can't learn it, you have to be born with it. I hate that shit. Fuck that "born great" or "born talented " shit.

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Tbf he's talking about affecting objects here what the Soru Soru no Mi already does anyway. I think we've already seen her Awakening with the blob things which collect Souls on her territories since they're basically using her powers.
 
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This is what Doffy meant to say

"Devil Fruit abilities have a whole other stage to them. It’s called "Awakening"! Very rarely, an ability will "awaken", and begin to affect things other than the user's own body!


This implies DF can be awakened but it's rare to awaken the df because it requires mastery over your own DF.

Is it linked to CoC? No indication but we have evidence which counters it.

Law hasn't shown CoC yet he has awakening


Prison guards in Impel down had no CoC yet they had awakening.
all the awakened Df users we saw are much more reliant on it than Meme is
 
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