Current Events Rate The Oden Flashback

[Jew D. Boy]

8 out of 10. Learning about the internal politics of Wano, meeting Oden/Toki and seeing the Scabbards in their youths, and all the WB/Roger/One Piece stuff was phenomenally tantalizing...but the pacing was both too slow AND too fast at parts, and certain panels/speech bubbles still require a lot of clarification in the present storyline. Overall, best flashback we’ve ever had (other than Robin’s).

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

How come starting a discussion about rating the flashback is harsh?

I mean he said among the good things of the flashback is that Oden died.... That's pretty harsh... I'm not against starting a discussion, I'm just saying its morose to like that a character died

 

[Topi Jerami]

All those points you mentioned are generic , will be explained later or will be revealed later . You are one of the classic example who lacks patience while reading .

"Oden became dumb and believed Kaido and Orochi would just leave Wano like that after 5 years "
Fanboys be like: Muh muh will be explained later!!

"Scabbards got sidelined so much (in Oden vs Kaido chapter) "
Muh muh will be explained later!!

"Oden and retainers vs Kaido and Beasts felt very rushed "
Muh muh will be explained latter!!1

 

[Dark Admiral]

I mean he said among the good things of the flashback is that Oden died.... That's pretty harsh... I'm not against starting a discussion, I'm just saying its morose to like that a character died

Who is the retard enough to say Oden dying in the FB is among good thing..?? Wasn't it already a confirmed thing from the beginning. I believe he meant to say Oden's death was among the good thing.

 

[Reborn]

Its hard to rate flashback as of now.. I will wait for few things to get cleared like whether toki really got sidelined or oda is saving her for future

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1)got to see prime roger and wb. I was dying to see these two great pirates in their prime and glimpse of their journey

2)Many crucial information like two kings will appear, background on orochi and it was oden who asked toki to send Momo 20 years in future and so on

3) brief clash between the Titans were epic

4)oden death was well delivered and so were the portrayal of scabbards...damn I can only imagine how miserable these scabbards were feeling

5) I like how well oda knitted the present story with past

6) narration was well paced except for the last part


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1)fb after oden arrival to wano was not well executed. Though I see oden as great leader but there is nothing wrong in saying that oda could have done it better here especially with the circumstances that forced oden to go for the arrangement. Some loopholes are visible and left open

2)toki wasn't addressed which we all expected. Though one can understand that maybe from oda's point of view it was not the right time to deliver on it but from readers perspective who are following series for long time, more cliffhangers and more questions with no answers definitely leave a sour mouth

3)some of the important stuffs were neglected or got little focus and some useless stuff got more focus - kaido vs oden felt rushed. Scabbards definitely needed more attention as they are the ones who will play role in present

4) I was expecting more action tbh which I didn't see....as a reader I felt it was great chance with oda to show us how monstrous roger,wb and Roger were in their prime because we aren't going to see them in such detail and context in future for sure..so felt disheartened regarding this aspect


Overall flashback had substance and was good but could have been better..

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Who is the retard enough to say Oden dying in the FB is among good thing..?? Wasn't it already a confirmed thing from the beginning. I believe he meant to say Oden's death was among the good thing.

Maybe that's what he meant but he phrases it as "Oden finally died" which makes it seem like Oden dying in itself is what he liked

I mean I didn't like Oden as a character too but saying good riddens top him dying is a lot

 

[Jew D. Boy]

"Oden became dumb and believed Kaido and Orochi would just leave Wano like that after 5 years "
Fanboys be like: Muh muh will be explained later!!

"Scabbards got sidelined so much (in Oden vs Kaido chapter) "
Muh muh will be explained later!!

"Oden and retainers vs Kaido and Beasts felt very rushed "
Muh muh will be explained latter!!1

I mean, if we don’t hang onto the hope that whatever issues remain will be clarified in the course of the regular action, why don’t we just give up here? This is the beginning of the end, emphasis on BEGINNING

 

[Homelander]

"Oden became dumb and believed Kaido and Orochi would just leave Wano like that after 5 years "
Fanboys be like: Muh muh will be explained later!!

"Scabbards got sidelined so much (in Oden vs Kaido chapter) "
Muh muh will be explained later!!

"Oden and retainers vs Kaido and Beasts felt very rushed "
Muh muh will be explained latter!!1

Looks like you have no chill homie . Well oden is dumb nor intelligent only you have figured it out well he is not brightest but definately not dumb he took the decision what he thought was best . Scabbards got sidelined what ? This is flashback chapter you expect all fight go in detail ? You do know the scabbards fight can be shown in present as well .

Classic Topi

 

[Topi Jerami]

I mean, if we don’t hang onto the hope that whatever issues remain will be clarified in the course of the regular action, why don’t we just give up here? This is the beginning of the end, emphasis on BEGINNING

I mean, in case it's not clear enough

All those points you mentioned are generic , will be explained later or will be revealed later . You are one of the classic example who lacks patience while reading .

All the points I mentioned are examples who lacks patience while reading

The points I mentioned are following:

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1. Kinemon said Kaido wanted information about his journey with Roger -> result: Oda forgets the whole scene
2. Toki, the survivor from Void Century was useless, but what's to expect from One Piece about its female characters
3. Oden became dumb and believed Kaido and Orochi would just leave Wano like that after 5 years
4. Scabbards got sidelined so much (in Oden vs Kaido chapter)
5. Not enough focus on Calamities, and 8 y.o. Jack didn't appear at all
6. Oden and retainers vs Kaido and Beasts felt very rushed
7. No hint about traitor at all

For number 3, it's already revealed lol.
So no more “will be revealed later!1!”
Shitnobu already explained it, and the motive was shitty.

Number 4 and 6, it's already happened. Oden vs Kaido chapter already ended, flashback already ended.
The scabbards in the battle in flashback got sidelined. And the battle felt very rushed.
So no more "will be explained later!!1 :mad::mad:" because it's already happened, no more explanation needed.

 

[Homelander]

I'd say 6/10...

I listened to the one piece podcast episode of last chapter and they discussed why At his flashback is markedly different from other flashbacks and why it's supposed to feel different.

For example Oden is a Protagonist who dies in this flashback which has only ever happened with the Noland and Calgara flashback Whereas every other flashback was like the protagonist was alive and it's the mentor who dies. Like Corazon dies or Bellamerè dies while Law and Nami live on.

The second thing they pointed out was that Oden had a fatal flaw of not explain if himself and this was introduced since the first chapter where he cooks food on his comrades' corpse and doesn't explain himself to he comrades' family. This carries on to him not explaining himself to Scabbards or his wife or anyone for five years until his death and yet SO MANY THINGS could've been fixed if he explained himself.

Third is that the Scabbards are intentionally made to be useless while Oden does all the work so that in the current timeline their resolve to be useful for a change is backed up by guilt of being useless before

These were relatively good arguments that made me like the flashback a bit more. So I moved my vote from 5/10 to 6/10 just because of those relatively good arguments

Thats the thing you answered your analysis well Oden was flawed like any other human . We all thought Oden was sort of God like human in wano turns out he has flaws brash , does things before he acts the qualities of oden are highlighted heavily . He was victim of those flaws that brought his downfall .

No we are not done with scabbard yet because their role has just began we were in oden's flashback so oda has to show more about Oden's life not kinemon or denjiro .

Oda can still flesh out scabbard well . Thats why we didnt see much of scabbard's fight it would keep aura how strong are they really ?

 

[Jew D. Boy]

I mean, in case it's not clear enough

All the points I mentioned are examples who lacks patience while reading

The points I mentioned are following:

For number 3, it's already revealed lol.
So no more "muh muh will be revealed later!1! "
Shitnobu already explained it, and the motive was shitty.

Number 4 and 6, it's already happened. Oden vs Kaido chapter already ended, flashback already ended.
The scabbards in the battle in flashback got sidelined. And the battle felt very rushed.
So no more "muh muh will be explained later!!1 :mad::mad:" because it's already happened, no more explanation needed.

Thanks for telling me how I read, got through many years on this earth before some dickhead gave me an idea of my own comprehension. We still don’t know who the traitor is (not due to my supposed lack of patience), we aren’t going to see more of Roger’s journey until we get closer to Laugh Tale (not up to me when that happens), and we’ll get more Scabbards/Calamities/likely Toki in the present/future (which I will read to the best of my abilities being that they’re better than you think). The Oden stuff and their battle against Kaido are the only ones you’re not completely off base about, but what would I know? You said I can’t read, so this is all conjecture.

 

[Topi Jerami]

Looks like you have no chill homie . Well oden is dumb nor intelligent only you have figured it out well he is not brightest but definately not dumb he took the decision what he thought was best . Scabbards got sidelined what ? This is flashback chapter you expect all fight go in detail ? You do know the scabbards fight can be shown in present as well .

Classic Topi

As explained before, Oden's motive was already explained too. Reason is shitty, but at least Oda made it consistent by putting shitty motive in shitty flashback. So no more muh muh iT wIlL bE eXpLaInEd LaTeR alright?

p.s.
Most of scabbards' abilities are already known in current storyline (Kinemon can cut fire, Kanjuro can draw kindergarten style, Raizo is a ninja, dukes can use electro, Kawamatsu is a fishman samurai etc). No reason to hide them in the flashback.

 

[dirtyLarry]

As of right now?

Between 8/10 and 9/10.

It had almost everything you could hope for.

- Oden's character was built up really well since the very first chapter, especially his flaw of always doing everything alone (and not really relying on others at all)
- his voyage with WB and Roger was done perfectly
- Orochi really got fleshed out this flashback and Oda made him into a truly great and despicable villain
- the ending of him being boiled was an amazing visual image, hommage and throwback to the earlier foreshadowing
- it also even hints at a much bigger story with all the void century and Joyboy references; truly endgame material

The only thing I think could've been done better was to explain Kaido's and Orochi's relationship, fleshing out Toki a bit more and turn chapters 969 and 970 into three chapters.
Since I think the first two "complaints" are still bound to be explained later on, I think a 8/10 or even 9/10 is absolutely deserving.

 

[Dark Admiral]

I thought it was a discussion thread but turns out it's just Jerami's Troll thread.

 

[Homelander]

I mean, in case it's not clear enough

All the points I mentioned are examples who lacks patience while reading

The points I mentioned are following:

For number 3, it's already revealed lol.
So no more "muh muh will be revealed later!1! "
Shitnobu already explained it, and the motive was shitty.

Number 4 and 6, it's already happened. Oden vs Kaido chapter already ended, flashback already ended.
The scabbards in the battle in flashback got sidelined. And the battle felt very rushed.
So no more "muh muh will be explained later!!1 :mad::mad:" because it's already happened, no more explanation needed.

Because you lack critical analysis . You are classic example who vines about chapter being bad almost every week you dont read things properly come to conclusion before things will come out soon .


The lore takes time to explore the plot but you want everything on table . I only think you lack patience as a reader and i have listed you and Ndule both of you dont do complete homework and jump to rather messy conclusion end up being salty and start hating the series as whole .

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Oden was flawed like any other human

Well the problem that I still had with this is that it's not a well developed flaw. It's like we get introduced to Oden when he already has this flaw and we never get a reason for why he specifically like this to begin with. He just is.

An example of someone having a flaw that's developed is Zoro's impatience to beat Mihawk in baratie. He nearly gets himself killed in this situation because he can't wait to actually get strong enough to beat Mihawk. This is a properly developed flaw since we see Zoro has experienced an abrupt loss in his dream before when he vowed to meet Kuina at the top and they would challenge each other for WSS title but then she die a out of nowhere forcing Zoro to revaluate his dream. Zoro then can't wait any longer when Mihawk appears before him since some random shit could happen again out of nowhere the disrupts his dream again like with Kuina dying.

That's a flaw with an origin and the best part of such flaws that are well developed is that they can be fixed since we know their origin and Zoro did overcome his impatience and even when he met Mihawk dying the time skip he didn't run to challenge him again.

I get it that Oden isnt supposed to grow out of this flaw and in fact he dies because of it and thats the supposed tragedy but it still would have been much better if we did get at least a development in that regard. And this applies to alot of his other traits and motivations. They are actually not that we'll developed. This sort of causes Oden to feel like a robot or something. He's like characterised as a chad of course but we don't know how he got there so it feels like he was just programmed like a Robot to be on chad mode and that's all we need to know.

And don't get me wrong, being overly developed isn't a necessity to a good character, for example Big mom's hunger pangs are just a thing that she has with no explanation and yet Big mom is a very good character nonetheless. What's different here is that big mom has OTHER traits and motivations that DO get developed and even build off her hunger pangs to form very interesting situations and she ends up a good character because of it. While Oden like I said is almost entirely robotic with barely anything about him being developed and so there's so little to anchor on to.

Shit I'm rambling, maybe I'll just make a thread of this or something.

 

[Daisuke Jigen]

2/10.
I really did think I was going to like Oden and this flashback, but as time went on and before we even met Oden, I was increasingly put off by the hype and praise Oda kept shoving in our faces. And it got even worse when we actually met Oden, but even putting aside that, imo he’s not that interesting a character nor has he done anything we haven’t seen before from other flashback characters. The other Wano characters were also extremely weak, apart from Inu and Neko ofc, especially Toki/Snot Sr. It was nice to see Roger and Whitebeard, but I think what held them back in this flashback was 1.) Oda shoved Oden into what should have been their flashback, and 2.) imo it felt like the focus on Roger’s journey was incredibly brief. IIRC, one chapter Oden joined Roger, then bam, they’re at Raftel. Offpaneling stuff like Roger vs Whitebeard doesn’t help.

 

[silverfire]

I’m giving it a 5, and almost all of those points are because of Roger and WB.

The main reason that the flashback falls flat is that we learned nothing of importance. Oden’s basic story arc was already laid out for us. We already knew he was going to be executed publicly by Kaido and Orochi. There were some interesting tidbits about Orochi being of the Kurozumi clan, but no real surprises or shockers, which made it one of the worst yet. Condensed into 5 or so chapters would’ve made it decent. As it is, it’s too drawn out.

For those of you who think anyone critical is trolling or are impatient, compare what you learned from the Oden flashback to Robin’s, in Enies Lobby. Robin’s flashback lasted 7 chapters, 391-397, barely over half the length of Oden’s. We learned all about the scholars of Ohara, Robin’s childhood, Olvia, the entire concept of the poneglyphs and the Void Century, Saul, and his death, young Kuzan and the intro of young Sakazuki. (the true strongest living being)

To make matters worse, Kaido and Oden were both underwhelming compared to their hype. Kaido was disappointingly weak (relatively) and Oden was disappointingly naive.

 

[Reborn]

This thread spiced up a bit

Kingslayer vs topi a never seen before battle

Time to get my popcorn

 

[Worst]

if wasn't for

Chapter 969 - The Idiot Lord
Chapter 970 - Oden vs Kaido

Would have been a 8/10 maybe even 10/10 but bc of that it's a 7/10 for me

Oden vs Kaido was handled Rly bad and the 5 year thing meh......even if they explained it and it's quite reasonable as an explanation i don't liked it too much