General & Others The Great Debate - Will Luffy Solo Kaido this Arc?
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Off panel you can fight as long as you want, empty hype. MF war was fought couple of hours only and Akainu was down after couple of seconds against WB.
Lethality: Am I a joke to you?
Zoro ends his opponents in single clean slice, that's all it takes unless you can find someone who can tank clean slices for 11 hours, dont get your hopes up...
Lethality: Am I a joke to you?
Zoro ends his opponents in single clean slice, that's all it takes unless you can find someone who can tank clean slices for 11 hours, dont get your hopes up...
On panel or off panel it still happened as per odas words so I’ll take his word over yours thank you very much and you are still missing my point. I’m talking about finalbeta saying he would make quick work of king which is preposterous. I’m being very generous to even think that zoro the guy who fought no one to get up there can actually tussle with a first mate but let’s say he can. It should be an extreme diff fight, nothing less.
You have to understand that off-panel, days long fights are nothing but hype, nobody lasts long on panel, especially not against lethal opponents like swordsmen. All it takes is one clean slice to end the fight, you cant expect Katakuri's 54-hit special from swordsmen...
Finalbeta is overdoing it, of course Zoro is not gonna make quick work of King, even if he could Oda would find a way to make the fight longer and troublesome for X reason. Many people didnt fight anyone and they are still up there, no reason why Zoro cant be, on contrary, there is no reason that doesnt allow him to be up there, he is a blank slate for Oda to do whatever he wants with him, he didnt write himself in a corner with Zoro because he didnt put any limits on him post TS.
Zoro's fights are hard for specific reasons, usually when he overcomes that reason he trashes the opponent and proceeds to fight more.
Extreme diff fights usually mean that you cant put any fight after them and I dont think that will be the case with King, where the only issue may be King's ability to use fire which may prevent Zoro from fighting at his best and push him into evasive maneuvers.
Finalbeta is overdoing it, of course Zoro is not gonna make quick work of King, even if he could Oda would find a way to make the fight longer and troublesome for X reason. Many people didnt fight anyone and they are still up there, no reason why Zoro cant be, on contrary, there is no reason that doesnt allow him to be up there, he is a blank slate for Oda to do whatever he wants with him, he didnt write himself in a corner with Zoro because he didnt put any limits on him post TS.
Zoro's fights are hard for specific reasons, usually when he overcomes that reason he trashes the opponent and proceeds to fight more.
Extreme diff fights usually mean that you cant put any fight after them and I dont think that will be the case with King, where the only issue may be King's ability to use fire which may prevent Zoro from fighting at his best and push him into evasive maneuvers.
And who are these people? And as for zoro he cannot have been stronger than luffy at the beginin of the post skip, oda himself said that luffy is always the strongest of the 3. Now you have zoro whos done nothing but beat fodder and luffy who went through high extreme diff fights to grow in strength. Since zoro has done nothing he must not be stronger than pre dressrossa luffy, yes he trains offscreen but haki only blooms when you get into harsh fights as per rayleigh ( a swordsman). Kings haki and strenght will be a factor too against zoro, dont act as if the only reason he may have trouble is fire come on. The dude, albeit only 2 swords, was struggling against casual kyoshiro.
I understand that swordmen fights end fast due to the lethality factor but he will still have a really difficult fight against king if he ever fight him.
And you have nothing to prove that days long fights are hype since they factually happened.And luffy and kata the pinnacle of high tiers fought for 11 hours.
I understand that swordmen fights end fast due to the lethality factor but he will still have a really difficult fight against king if he ever fight him.
And you have nothing to prove that days long fights are hype since they factually happened.And luffy and kata the pinnacle of high tiers fought for 11 hours.
I don't think at first with Luffy, but he needs to prove himself by fighting him majority in the end as it won't feel earned if he need smeone to hold his hand to get the job done. Think it's going to be how Bullet was defeated, but more teamwork and more on Luffy getting in majority blow while Kidd and Law fight with him. That how I see.
I don't believe Zoro will or ever play role in facing or taking down Kaido. Oda is strict on keeping power-scaling as consistent as possible. The same guy who fainted to nerf pleasure stab and fox, won't over against Kaido to do something 'bad' to him. That be too out there even with training. Zoro's Haki is not above or even close to Luffy's who knows Adv. COA while Zoro doesn't. Doesn't make sense Zoro taking on someone Luffy vowed to take out. Plus Zoro respect's Luffy taking on his foes on his own, so no reason why he go for Kaido when Luffy already declared it. Only thing I think Oda will have Zoro play a role if he fucks up and give sword to Luffy whether purposely or accidentally and he uses Luffy's uses his Adv. COA combine with Enma to beat Kaido down since with his power it be easy to tamed and would be something Oda would do.
He makes Luffy want to hold weapons strongly this arc, so feel like it play a role for him to use a sword to injured Kaido combine with his DF (G4) and Adv. COA to take him out in the long-run. I can see that happening.
I don't believe Zoro will or ever play role in facing or taking down Kaido. Oda is strict on keeping power-scaling as consistent as possible. The same guy who fainted to nerf pleasure stab and fox, won't over against Kaido to do something 'bad' to him. That be too out there even with training. Zoro's Haki is not above or even close to Luffy's who knows Adv. COA while Zoro doesn't. Doesn't make sense Zoro taking on someone Luffy vowed to take out. Plus Zoro respect's Luffy taking on his foes on his own, so no reason why he go for Kaido when Luffy already declared it. Only thing I think Oda will have Zoro play a role if he fucks up and give sword to Luffy whether purposely or accidentally and he uses Luffy's uses his Adv. COA combine with Enma to beat Kaido down since with his power it be easy to tamed and would be something Oda would do.
He makes Luffy want to hold weapons strongly this arc, so feel like it play a role for him to use a sword to injured Kaido combine with his DF (G4) and Adv. COA to take him out in the long-run. I can see that happening.
All commanders we never saw fighting anyone, Dragon... Plenty of people up there who didnt fight anyone that we know.
Do you think opponents that Luffy fought are anywhere close to the man who trained Zoro for two years?
King's haki has never been a factor in any fight so far, I have no idea why you brought that up when it literally does nothing aside from knocking out fodder. Strength may be a factor but whether he will overwhelm Zoro in strength or not is completely uncertain.
Fire would force Zoro on defensive and prevent him to dictate the tempo of the fight, it is enough of an obstacle to make it a hard fight.
The fact that they didnt happen on panel proves that they are empty hype. Akainu can fight 100 days off-panel with Aokiji, he cant last a minute against Whitebeard. Pointless hype...
Do you think opponents that Luffy fought are anywhere close to the man who trained Zoro for two years?
King's haki has never been a factor in any fight so far, I have no idea why you brought that up when it literally does nothing aside from knocking out fodder. Strength may be a factor but whether he will overwhelm Zoro in strength or not is completely uncertain.
Fire would force Zoro on defensive and prevent him to dictate the tempo of the fight, it is enough of an obstacle to make it a hard fight.
The fact that they didnt happen on panel proves that they are empty hype. Akainu can fight 100 days off-panel with Aokiji, he cant last a minute against Whitebeard. Pointless hype...
Law
- Started the whole alliance with to go after kaido even
- Tho he admittedly moreso about doffy originally
- They wouldn't have gone against kaido or doffy tbh anyway
- Stayed with the alliance after dressrosa being one of the head leaders of the ninja pirate mink samurai alliance
- Was given equal credit to luffy for taking doffy down by the marines and kaido
- Hes going after kaido and is definitely gonna fight
No luffy ain't soloing kaido. Fighting him the longest? Sure. But 1 v 1 is dumb. All luffy gained is the ability to hurt kaido. We don't know his endurance level, his haki level, nor how strong he is in hybrid for. Ryou shouldn't take luffy from getting 1 shot by base kaido to beating him. That makes no sense at all and luffy is still 1 shot as nothing in his endurance changed. You'd basically have to believe kaido becomes luffy's punching bag till he finally goes down without ever touching him.
Yes because those are newly introduced characters and they can have whatever power ceiling they need for the narrative? And it has been established what commander level is roughly at. As for dragon we know nothing, only that he may be top tier( another power ceiling) as for zoro he is not a newly introduced character. We have been with him since the begining and it would make no sense for him to go from a perceived power ceiling to a new one without warning,its very very bad writting( almost fairy tail level). I want him to get there in an organic way like luffy did, and you should too. It would make you more attached to the character to actually see him climb up. But you do you.
Whoever trained you doesnt mean squat, luffy was trained by the pirate kings right hand and look how much he struggled. Garp is training cobby and helmeppo. Yet one is growing faster than the other. Whoever trains you doesnt mean as much as you think mate, just because you are trained by the wss for 2 years doesnt mean you are anywhere near his level after that. It just means you got a good teacher and thus may learn more. That argument is completely pointless.
I wasnt talking about CoC, i was talking about King( the character)'s haki and strenght. Akainu came back 10 minutes later completely fine, the only reason he couldnt keep fighting WB is because of the quake which removed his footing and made him fall down while WB got a hole blown through his head. Im saying that it doesnt matter if you think its fake hype or not, they happened and its a fact. Roger and WB fought for 3 days, yes or no?
Rayleigh said that haki can only bloom when you get into intense fights and fight stronger opponents which zoro hasnt done. You can try to twist the facts all you want but thats what it says. As for kat, we dont know the context of his training, luffy trained his coo while fighting kat so maybe kat did the same fighting opponents using his Coo to the point of acquiring Fs. Context always matters.
Whoever trained you doesnt mean squat, luffy was trained by the pirate kings right hand and look how much he struggled. Garp is training cobby and helmeppo. Yet one is growing faster than the other. Whoever trains you doesnt mean as much as you think mate, just because you are trained by the wss for 2 years doesnt mean you are anywhere near his level after that. It just means you got a good teacher and thus may learn more. That argument is completely pointless.
I wasnt talking about CoC, i was talking about King( the character)'s haki and strenght. Akainu came back 10 minutes later completely fine, the only reason he couldnt keep fighting WB is because of the quake which removed his footing and made him fall down while WB got a hole blown through his head. Im saying that it doesnt matter if you think its fake hype or not, they happened and its a fact. Roger and WB fought for 3 days, yes or no?
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katakuri achieved fs via training
u can get stronger even if u don t fight
also zoro has yet to go all out + he got enma
u can get stronger even if u don t fight
also zoro has yet to go all out + he got enma
Law
- Started the whole alliance with to go after kaido even
- Tho he admittedly moreso about doffy originally
- They wouldn't have gone against kaido or doffy tbh anyway
- Stayed with the alliance after dressrosa being one of the head leaders of the ninja pirate mink samurai alliance
- Was given equal credit to luffy for taking doffy down by the marines and kaido
- Hes going after kaido and is definitely gonna fight
We already have a thread on this: https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/the-great-debate-will-luffy-solo-kaido-this-arc.143
A somewhat nerfed Luffy beats an even more nerfed Kaido.
A somewhat nerfed Luffy beats an even more nerfed Kaido.