Chapter Discussion One Piece Chapter 955: Enma
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ichiji didnt just stall oven .
have a look sir
again we didnt see sanji defeat page one or ichiji defeat oven but they were portrayed above their counterparts with the rs on. I cant deny something that wasnt shown. sanji page one fight wasnt shown to us and the result isnt confirmed. sorry I dont just go blindly with sanji's words before the fight to confirm what happened offscreen. is it possible he did ? sure but its not confirmed.
have a look sir
again we didnt see sanji defeat page one or ichiji defeat oven but they were portrayed above their counterparts with the rs on. I cant deny something that wasnt shown. sanji page one fight wasnt shown to us and the result isnt confirmed. sorry I dont just go blindly with sanji's words before the fight to confirm what happened offscreen. is it possible he did ? sure but its not confirmed.
he showed up like 2 chapters later without any scratch and fight the fishmen
Based on word of mouth yeah?
Well, since the scabbards arent going to take Hiyori's (Zoro's) sword, why the fuck would you think we know for absolute certain, without a shadow of a doubt, that guys like Kawa and Shuten cannot use it? Those guys are mf strong too. The statement therefore is neither proof, nor is it conclusive, merely, it says that the only person who has tried and was successful was Oden. It isn't a blanket statement.
We should overlook/ignore it until further notice, because it's nothing but a hype tool, which is to be expected with every new major power up
Well, since the scabbards arent going to take Hiyori's (Zoro's) sword, why the fuck would you think we know for absolute certain, without a shadow of a doubt, that guys like Kawa and Shuten cannot use it? Those guys are mf strong too. The statement therefore is neither proof, nor is it conclusive, merely, it says that the only person who has tried and was successful was Oden. It isn't a blanket statement.
We should overlook/ignore it until further notice, because it's nothing but a hype tool, which is to be expected with every new major power up
citing kol is as reliable as using the zoro stans here as a basis for your criticism of the entire zoro fandom. I might as well say they are not a representation either and that would make this entire argument null.
it is flashy. is it flashier? depends on your taste I guess. you dont think it is but I do. scabbards dont have to try to use it to know its above them. its a clear portrayal statement from oda further confirmed when kinemon told zoro to avoid the sword (knowing his capabilities at dressrosa) and kawamatsu one of the three compliments him.
wb does not have to be shown defeating all men to be the strongest. they dont have to try, he just was .
guess we can agree to disagree on luffy.
just stopping with oven spitting blood and lasers through his body?
weird
you got a panel?
I know he was not down after this but he certainly was not fine . oven after getting run down by capone or getting kicked by sanji was "fine". I personally rank oven above page one too seeing how much he was able to do in wci. again page one and done has no feats to his name.
it is flashy. is it flashier? depends on your taste I guess. you dont think it is but I do. scabbards dont have to try to use it to know its above them. its a clear portrayal statement from oda further confirmed when kinemon told zoro to avoid the sword (knowing his capabilities at dressrosa) and kawamatsu one of the three compliments him.
wb does not have to be shown defeating all men to be the strongest. they dont have to try, he just was .
guess we can agree to disagree on luffy.
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just stopping with oven spitting blood and lasers through his body?
weird
you got a panel?
I know he was not down after this but he certainly was not fine . oven after getting run down by capone or getting kicked by sanji was "fine". I personally rank oven above page one too seeing how much he was able to do in wci. again page one and done has no feats to his name.
What does he say? From what I read, he says once I master it I will become stronger. He did not say, wow this magic sword made me stronger immediately. Once he masters it and makes it into a black blade he will become stronger. Please learn to read.
What does he say? From what I read, he says once I master it I will become stronger. He did not say, wow this magic sword made me stronger immediately. Once he masters it and makes it into a black blade he will become stronger. Please learn to read.
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@Rivaille
@Light D Lamperouge
@all the other ones
Argue outta that shit. Your own master has neg diffed yall. Take your L you embrassments and next time learn not to dig your own holes. Yay now Zoro has fully gone all out
@Light D Lamperouge
@all the other ones
Argue outta that shit. Your own master has neg diffed yall. Take your L you embrassments and next time learn not to dig your own holes. Yay now Zoro has fully gone all out
citing kol is as reliable as using the zoro stans here as a basis for your criticism of the entire zoro fandom. I might as well say they are not a representation either and that would make this entire argument null.
it is flashy. is it flashier? depends on your taste I guess. you dont think it is but I do. scabbards dont have to try to use it to know its above them. its a clear portrayal statement from oda further confirmed when kinemon told zoro to avoid the sword (knowing his capabilities at dressrosa) and kawamatsu one of the three compliments him.
wb does not have to be shown defeating all men to be the strongest. they dont have to try, he just was .
guess we can agree to disagree on luffy.
it is flashy. is it flashier? depends on your taste I guess. you dont think it is but I do. scabbards dont have to try to use it to know its above them. its a clear portrayal statement from oda further confirmed when kinemon told zoro to avoid the sword (knowing his capabilities at dressrosa) and kawamatsu one of the three compliments him.
wb does not have to be shown defeating all men to be the strongest. they dont have to try, he just was .
guess we can agree to disagree on luffy.
You've completely misread my post. I'm talking about how, IN GENERAL, Sanji's never going to have flashy feats other than anything to do with HM. His whole fighting style is slick and fast, not flashy and grand unlike Zoro's. The very nature of the way these guys fight determines the kind of feats that Oda will make a big thing about and highlight. Hence, why Zoro's feats are often flashier than even Luffy's, and yet Luffy remains significantly stronger than Zoro. People mistake things like DC for godly power, when as we saw in the chapter today, it merely reflects the blade in conjunction with Zoro's usage/power and in some instances, like the most recent chapter, a lack of control and skill. What this basically tells us is the bigger the slash =/= the stronger attack. It completely changes the dynamic of how we should look at feats.
had to make an account just to be able to bask in the tears of Sanji fans 
Zoro sure is getting a lot of shine time for not a zoro centric arc
Still not sure how Enma works though so far it just look like it makes Zoro use way more force than its needed ? like he wants to use 5% for cutting the tree and it forces him to use 30%... I guess it will allow him better mastery over his haki ?
Zoro sure is getting a lot of shine time for not a zoro centric arc
Still not sure how Enma works though so far it just look like it makes Zoro use way more force than its needed ? like he wants to use 5% for cutting the tree and it forces him to use 30%... I guess it will allow him better mastery over his haki ?
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who doubts that straw grand fleet will join the battle?
Franky is making ships to transport 10000 people and they have only 4200 people and maybe 1000 more that will join if Law release them. but i think it would better if he didn't release them but switch their souls with Orochi forces so they can go there with Orochi and will make slaughter their "comrades" from inside.
Franky is making ships to transport 10000 people and they have only 4200 people and maybe 1000 more that will join if Law release them. but i think it would better if he didn't release them but switch their souls with Orochi forces so they can go there with Orochi and will make slaughter their "comrades" from inside.
had to make an account just to be able to bask in the tears of Sanji fans
Zoro sure is getting a lot of shine time for not a zoro centric arc
Still not sure how Enma works though so far it just look like it makes Zoro use way more force than its needed ? like he wants to use 5% for cutting the tree and it forces him to use 30%... I guess it will allow him better mastery over his haki ?
Zoro sure is getting a lot of shine time for not a zoro centric arc
Still not sure how Enma works though so far it just look like it makes Zoro use way more force than its needed ? like he wants to use 5% for cutting the tree and it forces him to use 30%... I guess it will allow him better mastery over his haki ?
What we saw showed that Zoro lacks the skill and control to wield such a blade - the issue is Zoro's control over his own AP with finer instruments.
flashy and grand are statements that can depend on who is reading the manga . I could think luffy's feats are flashier , I mean he wrecked dressrosa with a single punch. your argument elludes me because its based on subjectivity. its your truth not necessary everyone else's.
king kong gun looked impressive and has more dc than what zoro has shown.
its why mihawk slashes looked impressive, its why wb looked impressive on mf (again dc).it changes how you look at feats . who's the we?
a lack of control and skill would be him fainting on the ground but he adjusted to it. days after , hitetsu comments he is adjusting even faster than normal. again your lack of skill comment elludes me. but at this point you have your own opinions , I have mine
king kong gun looked impressive and has more dc than what zoro has shown.
its why mihawk slashes looked impressive, its why wb looked impressive on mf (again dc).it changes how you look at feats . who's the we?
a lack of control and skill would be him fainting on the ground but he adjusted to it. days after , hitetsu comments he is adjusting even faster than normal. again your lack of skill comment elludes me. but at this point you have your own opinions , I have mine
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Luffy's level in my book right now is the bridge between YFM and admirals.
He's about to be so nasty when he showcases his ability. I have a feeling that he's about to start the war with a big punch to Jack that renders jack and makes him unconscious for a while before coming back later and faces Inuarashi and Nekumamushi as he's supposed to. Cause we know the drill, Jack is the hype tool for strong characters and no matter how many times he gets smacked, he gets back up LOL
He's about to be so nasty when he showcases his ability. I have a feeling that he's about to start the war with a big punch to Jack that renders jack and makes him unconscious for a while before coming back later and faces Inuarashi and Nekumamushi as he's supposed to. Cause we know the drill, Jack is the hype tool for strong characters and no matter how many times he gets smacked, he gets back up LOL
That Chapter was great.
There so much stuff going on right now and so much stuff we Need to discuss here, instead of focusing Zoro>=<Sanji.
For me, right now, there are 4 main questions:
1. The first one: Who is the traitor?
We know there is one. Waht do we else know about him?
- He had a Vivre Card of Zuo and/or someone who was on Zuo, for Example from Raizo, Inu, Neko... Which means, he is a Mink, or he had the possibility to get one of These Vivre Cards.
- He knows about Hiyori and the plan, which means, the Traitor has met Hiyori in Person, or was part of the Situation of the chapter today.
- ??? < If you know more Facts about him, tell me, i will add >
2. Whats going on with Hiyori?
Why is he trying not to meet with Kinemon and Momo. I know she says for sentimel reasons, but come on. Maybe she is the traitor? I dont know, somethings strange about her, but i can be totaly wrong here.
3. Who and where is Denjro?
I have my own theory about him, which could explain alot. But before, he is not there right now and most People doesnt seem to be worried about it. What is going on there? My theory is part of the next question.
4. How is Koushirou connected to all of this?
We know Koushirou is connected to wano, we know it from the sword of Kuina, from his clothes, from his wording...
In my theory, Koushirou is Denjiro, which would be also the answer for question 3. In my theory, Denijro fleed with the newborn from the Dayimo-Family and his own daughter from Wano, while Oden already got defeated. He knows about the 20 years plan and tried to get some helpful fighters from outside of Wano. So he saved Zoro, because the son of the Dayimo would be in danger under the Kaido Regime and he himself feared to be revealed as who he was, Koushirou. Then we know that the second swordssmith left Wano 50 years ago, illegally, so we can assume he was seen as traitor. This man would be around 70-80 years old (Keep in mind he was already Kind of legendary bladesmith), which seems to old for Koushirou, but could be related. His Name was "Shimotsuki Kouzaburou". You see the difference between Kou-shi-rou and Kou-zabu-rou is only the middle part. Additionally Kouzaburou is part of the Shimotsuki Clans, the same clan of the one Dayimo and Yasuie! When we take a closer look, the "zabu" means 3 and "shi" stands for 4, a following number! These could mean, Koushirou is the junger brotherof Kouzaburou, when the parents Kind of counted there Kids, or he is the son of Kouzaburou. So when his brother or father left wano and was seen as criminal, it makes sense Koushirou took another Name to hide from that, or even tried to cut the Connection, like ace did with roger. So he took the Name Denjiro. I have no idea of Kanji, so there could be something hidden inside the Name.
There so much stuff going on right now and so much stuff we Need to discuss here, instead of focusing Zoro>=<Sanji.
For me, right now, there are 4 main questions:
1. The first one: Who is the traitor?
We know there is one. Waht do we else know about him?
- He had a Vivre Card of Zuo and/or someone who was on Zuo, for Example from Raizo, Inu, Neko... Which means, he is a Mink, or he had the possibility to get one of These Vivre Cards.
- He knows about Hiyori and the plan, which means, the Traitor has met Hiyori in Person, or was part of the Situation of the chapter today.
- ??? < If you know more Facts about him, tell me, i will add >
2. Whats going on with Hiyori?
Why is he trying not to meet with Kinemon and Momo. I know she says for sentimel reasons, but come on. Maybe she is the traitor? I dont know, somethings strange about her, but i can be totaly wrong here.
3. Who and where is Denjro?
I have my own theory about him, which could explain alot. But before, he is not there right now and most People doesnt seem to be worried about it. What is going on there? My theory is part of the next question.
4. How is Koushirou connected to all of this?
We know Koushirou is connected to wano, we know it from the sword of Kuina, from his clothes, from his wording...
In my theory, Koushirou is Denjiro, which would be also the answer for question 3. In my theory, Denijro fleed with the newborn from the Dayimo-Family and his own daughter from Wano, while Oden already got defeated. He knows about the 20 years plan and tried to get some helpful fighters from outside of Wano. So he saved Zoro, because the son of the Dayimo would be in danger under the Kaido Regime and he himself feared to be revealed as who he was, Koushirou. Then we know that the second swordssmith left Wano 50 years ago, illegally, so we can assume he was seen as traitor. This man would be around 70-80 years old (Keep in mind he was already Kind of legendary bladesmith), which seems to old for Koushirou, but could be related. His Name was "Shimotsuki Kouzaburou". You see the difference between Kou-shi-rou and Kou-zabu-rou is only the middle part. Additionally Kouzaburou is part of the Shimotsuki Clans, the same clan of the one Dayimo and Yasuie! When we take a closer look, the "zabu" means 3 and "shi" stands for 4, a following number! These could mean, Koushirou is the junger brotherof Kouzaburou, when the parents Kind of counted there Kids, or he is the son of Kouzaburou. So when his brother or father left wano and was seen as criminal, it makes sense Koushirou took another Name to hide from that, or even tried to cut the Connection, like ace did with roger. So he took the Name Denjiro. I have no idea of Kanji, so there could be something hidden inside the Name.
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