Character Discussion Zoro's potential opponents from Wano onward seem to share a similar theme regarding Sanji

How do you think the match-ups will go?


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#42
Sanji doesn't shot fireballs nor his a logia so a your point is kinda mute?
That's right. Oda also "counters" Zoro's fire cutting with Sanji's exoskeleton breaking the sword. Ultimately, it back to square one.

Also, Oda's point is more on fundamental level, the message kinda like "Zoro can deal with Sanji's advantages, fire (King) and invisibility (Shiryu)".
 
#43
Not necessarily
That was the time toei didn't make such huge spoilers also in op 19 we had the M3 fighting against jack and that op saw us what admirals were in the navy (greenbull had not been presented yet)
But yeah i do think neither Zoro or Sanji will fight kizaru,he will defeated in vegapunk's arc by luffy and law That's my thoughts
yeah its nothing conclusive
but def something
that those were the matchups chosen for the op
 
#46
Those stuff comes from the fact that Kizaru is the 2nd strongest (see Oda's height theory) and fight the 2nd strongest (beat Zoro, clash with Ray, Marco, and Benn).
 
#48
Kizaru is a hypetool for some other character, most likely Teach. He is the less relevant admiral for a reason.


Zoro and Sanji fight the two new admirals that ars obviously paralela the the SH duo, but dont see the admirals being their final fights, as both Fuji and Ryo have hints on betraying the WG
 
#49
Those stuff comes from the fact that Kizaru is the 2nd strongest (see Oda's height theory) and fight the 2nd strongest (beat Zoro, clash with Ray, Marco, and Benn).
This is interesting, although idk if Oda really planned it that way

I'm cool with Zoro or Sanji fighting whichever admiral really, although I'm not sure how Oda would distinguish the hierarchy
 
#51
Those stuff comes from the fact that Kizaru is the 2nd strongest (see Oda's height theory) and fight the 2nd strongest (beat Zoro, clash with Ray, Marco, and Benn).
So Akainu barely beat Aokiji and were basically stated to be nigh equals but Kizaru > Aokiji while still being weaker than Akainu? Really makes no sense.
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I don't see a Mr. 1/Mr. 2 or King/Queen dynamic between the admirals.
So, I wouldn't be shocked if Fujitora and Ryokugyu both do not fight the Straw Hats...
Leaving only Akainu and Kizaru for Luffy and Zoro.
Ryokugyu and Fujitora are a duo in the admirals that are made to basically mirror Sanji and Zoro.
 
#53
Ryokugyu and Fujitora are a duo in the admirals that are made to basically mirror Sanji and Zoro.
Sure

They even fought together offscreen and got mentioned together for the first time, it's easy to mirror them with Zoro and Sanji's opponents, such as Kaku and Jabra, Mr.1 and Mr.2, King and Queen, especially cuz they always have an unique way to treat each other such as bickerings from time to time, and sometimes they even fight each other onscreen
 
#55
Yup. Has it ever been stated in the story that Kizaru is Akainu's right hand man? Or is it this just speculation?
It's about character portrayal. Kizaru is obviously Akainu's closest confidant and longest partner- and he's a position below in ranking and is always seen alongside Akainu. If Akainu has a Right Hand, this is closest you can get to it.

It's like how you don't really need any canonical confirmations (before the colored page of right hands came up) to say Zoro was Luffy's RHM.

Either way, Zoro is the only one who actually has any build-up whatsoever vs Kizaru. Be it Kizaru always confronting Right Hand Men, or the fact that Zoro was the only Strawhat who got personally beaten up and humiliated by Kizaru in Saboady. Meanwhile any other match-up for Kizaru is based on superficial stuff or some vague themes of blackhole vs light.

Fuji is another possibility, but I just don't see him as enemy.
 

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#58
So Akainu barely beat Aokiji and were basically stated to be nigh equals but Kizaru > Aokiji while still being weaker than Akainu? Really makes no sense.
SBS Volume 51

D: Are Kizaru and Akainu stronger even than Aokiji? P.N. Osumansan
O: Hahh, hahh... Sorry for the late introduction. Hello. I'm the author, who got his Balls Flattened by a Reader... you can call me Balltender. But who cares! Here's a question...YIKES!! What the hell is THIS?! Kizaru?! Get outta here! I'm gonna have nightmares! Sorry P.N. Osumansan, Kizaru's already appeared! He'll show up in the next volume. Actually, you're not that far off, though.

The Pre-TS Admirals order was Sakazuki > Borsalino > Kuzan. Reflected in their Marineford matchups with Whitebeard > Marco > Jozu.

Zoro Legion remind me what connections zoro and kizaru have
- Has been matched with Marco, Rayleigh and Benn Beckman. What do they all share in common? Being the RHM of a crew.
- Has unresolved conflict with Zoro from Sabaody Archipelago.
- Is Fleet Admiral Sakazuki's strongest man just like how Zoro is Luffy's strongest man. (read above).

Besides, what is even the argument for Sanji vs Borsalino? "Speed and Kicks"?

The only time Borsalino ever used kicks was against fodders and small fry who didn't matter. The only time he was matched up against a top tier in a serious duel (vs the Dark King), he used a sword. He has a named sword called "Ame no Murakumo", named after one of the sacred imperial regalias of Japan.

There's more going for Zoro vs Borsalino narratively than Sanji vs Borsalino.
 
#60
SBS Volume 51

D: Are Kizaru and Akainu stronger even than Aokiji? P.N. Osumansan
O: Hahh, hahh... Sorry for the late introduction. Hello. I'm the author, who got his Balls Flattened by a Reader... you can call me Balltender. But who cares! Here's a question...YIKES!! What the hell is THIS?! Kizaru?! Get outta here! I'm gonna have nightmares! Sorry P.N. Osumansan, Kizaru's already appeared! He'll show up in the next volume. Actually, you're not that far off, though.

The Pre-TS Admirals order was Sakazuki > Borsalino > Kuzan. Reflected in their Marineford matchups with Whitebeard > Marco > Jozu.


- Has been matched with Marco, Rayleigh and Benn Beckman. What do they all share in common? Being the RHM of a crew.
- Has unresolved conflict with Zoro from Sabaody Archipelago.
- Is Fleet Admiral Sakazuki's strongest man just like how Zoro is Luffy's strongest man. (read above).

Besides, what is even the argument for Sanji vs Borsalino? "Speed and Kicks"?

The only time Borsalino ever used kicks was against fodders and small fry who didn't matter. The only time he was matched up against a top tier in a serious duel (vs the Dark King), he used a sword. He has a named sword called "Ame no Murakumo", named after one of the sacred imperial regalias of Japan.

There's more going for Zoro vs Borsalino narratively than Sanji vs Borsalino.
So going by this SBS (nice dig) if Kizaru and Akainu fought it would be even tougher for Akainu (there is no mention though of Akainu being stronger than Kizaru except that Akainu was promoted to Fleet Admiral). Maybe Akainu is more ambitious and Kizaru is lazy and all that and that's why he was not considered for that position like Akainu and Aokiji. So our OG admirals are ranked like Akainu > = Kizaru > Aokiji (since Akainu beat Aokiji and Oda basically says that Akainu and Kizaru are stronger than Aokiji) and if it took Akainu, who does have a very ruthless personality, 10 days to defeat Aokiji and split the island in equal halves than the gap between Akainu and Kizaru is even less almost minuscule.
 
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