Questions & Mysteries Will Oda ever give us a direct answer for Zoro vs Law?
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The issue with Zoro is that his "feats" come at the cost of him nearly dying.
This isn't just a stamina/Haki issue like Gear 4 or Law's awakening. He is risking his life to use that power, and if he doesn't win within a certain amount of time it's over.
It's a great powerup, but it comes at too terrible of a cost. It's like Kaioken x20.
This isn't just a stamina/Haki issue like Gear 4 or Law's awakening. He is risking his life to use that power, and if he doesn't win within a certain amount of time it's over.
It's a great powerup, but it comes at too terrible of a cost. It's like Kaioken x20.
When their awakenings were first introduced, both Kid and Law essentially stated that they were last-resort abilities that were not fully mastered in the slightest--only when they were forced into a corner by Big Mom did they pull their awakenings out. To be completely honest, you can make the same argument for Zoro "holding back powers" on the rooftop because he was regulating his haki due to Enma.
Realistically, the only time I'd say Zoro went "all out" on the rooftop was when he used Ashura, and he was already a dead man walking at that point. Hell, if you straight up remove the Ashura feat, you can still argue that Zoro looked better than Law on the rooftop as a combatant.
The 'defeated a Yonko' argument for Law is almost as problematic as the 'swordsman' argument for Zoro--it's way too much of an oversimplification.
After I looked at @Garp the Fist's compilation of Law's attacks on Big Mom, I was surprised at the fact that every single one of Law's attacks landed while Big Mom was distracted by Kid. That type of leverage doesn't exist in a 1v1. Not only that, but the most damning thing about it is the fact that Law's BEST feat against Big Mom can't actually be measured whatsoever besides the DC. There's legitimately no way to tell how much damage Puncture Wille actually did to Big Mom, and it honestly should not get as much benefit of the doubt as it does because Big Mom continued to turn around and challenge Kidd to attack her right after. Even in the very next chapter, it took Big Mom collapsing through the floor and punching a bomb and then falling god knows how many feet into a hole in order to secure the victory.
What did Law do to Big Mom, from a pure damage output perspective, in the fight that we can be confident beyond all reasonable doubt that Zoro would be unable to reproduce?
And to top ALL OF THAT off, what I find so unbelievably hypocritical about some Law/Zoro arguments is this:
Realistically, the only time I'd say Zoro went "all out" on the rooftop was when he used Ashura, and he was already a dead man walking at that point. Hell, if you straight up remove the Ashura feat, you can still argue that Zoro looked better than Law on the rooftop as a combatant.
The 'defeated a Yonko' argument for Law is almost as problematic as the 'swordsman' argument for Zoro--it's way too much of an oversimplification.
After I looked at @Garp the Fist's compilation of Law's attacks on Big Mom, I was surprised at the fact that every single one of Law's attacks landed while Big Mom was distracted by Kid. That type of leverage doesn't exist in a 1v1. Not only that, but the most damning thing about it is the fact that Law's BEST feat against Big Mom can't actually be measured whatsoever besides the DC. There's legitimately no way to tell how much damage Puncture Wille actually did to Big Mom, and it honestly should not get as much benefit of the doubt as it does because Big Mom continued to turn around and challenge Kidd to attack her right after. Even in the very next chapter, it took Big Mom collapsing through the floor and punching a bomb and then falling god knows how many feet into a hole in order to secure the victory.
What did Law do to Big Mom, from a pure damage output perspective, in the fight that we can be confident beyond all reasonable doubt that Zoro would be unable to reproduce?
And to top ALL OF THAT off, what I find so unbelievably hypocritical about some Law/Zoro arguments is this:
- According to many people, Zoro's "KoH time limit" is such a huge flaw that it has become the main issue people use to claim that he loses a given fight, and yet:
- Based on my understanding of Law's devil fruit, he should not be able to use K-Room and Room in conjunction, which means that any advantage in 'hax' that Law would get...goes straight down the drain when he wants to use his awakening. He becomes a literal sitting duck and it's almost entirely due to the circumstances of this particular fight that he was able to get away with it so many damn times
Beating them is an outcome, not a strength goal. Luffy had Nami ruin the biscuits because it's not about beating Cracker man to man. Luffy left the entire battlefield vs Katakuri because it wasn't about fighting head on.
Lemme know when Luffy is pulling Zoro out of Mihawk's mouth and shit.
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Zoro knows how to cut lighting now
Or things are simple but readers can't deal with it?
World strongest swordman is anything but one the most easiest things to understand in the series the name itself solves it nonchalantly.
WB tittle is definitely more complicated to define.
Like it applies to human only? What about non human beings? Etc
World strongest swordman is anything but one the most easiest things to understand in the series the name itself solves it nonchalantly.
WB tittle is definitely more complicated to define.
Like it applies to human only? What about non human beings? Etc
Law doesn't always need his sword to attack so he isn't a swordsman. Meanwhile, Kaku...
I mean, I understand why one might think Law isn't a swordsman in the same sense as Zoro but these arguments are as useless as they can be. Law's a swordsman through and through; whether or not he falls under the WSS title is a different story altogether.
I mean, I understand why one might think Law isn't a swordsman in the same sense as Zoro but these arguments are as useless as they can be. Law's a swordsman through and through; whether or not he falls under the WSS title is a different story altogether.
Law powers drain his lifetime and and burn his stamina harshly.
At least we know mastering aCoC and Enma
and using them without recoil (oden) is 100% doable while law will always have a disadvantage.
What's more impressive is that this was Zoro imperfect aCoC like all over the place due lack of mastery.
And yeah COC users still have a higher ceiling we like it or not (Roger is the best example)
At least we know mastering aCoC and Enma
and using them without recoil (oden) is 100% doable while law will always have a disadvantage.
What's more impressive is that this was Zoro imperfect aCoC like all over the place due lack of mastery.
And yeah COC users still have a higher ceiling we like it or not (Roger is the best example)
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To add something into the discussion.
Zoro's time limit it's not about adv CoC, zoro come close to death because he used extremely amount of CoA before his adv CoC pu.
He was at his limit kind like luffy is after g4, worse ofc because zoro never stopped using CoA through enma unlike luffy who will run out of energy and return to base form.
There is no indication that zoro has a short time limit while using KoH.
Zoro's time limit it's not about adv CoC, zoro come close to death because he used extremely amount of CoA before his adv CoC pu.
He was at his limit kind like luffy is after g4, worse ofc because zoro never stopped using CoA through enma unlike luffy who will run out of energy and return to base form.
There is no indication that zoro has a short time limit while using KoH.
