Questions & Mysteries Will Oda ever give us a direct answer for Zoro vs Law?

Law has techniques that don't even need his sword, like Counter Shock or Gamma Knife...

as always Zoro fans posting shit after shit. if Law has a wooden handle, he will remain at the same level currently.
 
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Maybe I am, idrc though this is supposed to be pretty ambiguous. Zoro is clearly in the same league as Kidd/Law at the worst.

It's true matchups are the best indicators of pecking order in One Piece and Law is usually outshining Zoro in every arc when it comes to those but Oda always puts an asterisk beside his achievements so ultimately it becomes debatable concerning strength. He throws Zoro enough of a bone for the debate to be had. At some point you have to look at feats, Zoro's feats are too good to ignore. And you can't box Zoro in to a tradional underling anyway, he has portrayal points in his favour too (he has advCoC, whereas Law doesn't even have CoC).

I'm not gonna push back on anyone saying Law > Zoro or vice versa. Both have a healthy mix of portrayal and feats.
The issue with Zoro is that his "feats" come at the cost of him nearly dying.

This isn't just a stamina/Haki issue like Gear 4 or Law's awakening. He is risking his life to use that power, and if he doesn't win within a certain amount of time it's over.

It's a great powerup, but it comes at too terrible of a cost. It's like Kaioken x20.
 
if Law has a wooden handle, he will remain at the same level currently.
I hope you don't actually believe that lmfao

If that were true, he wouldn't need to carry around a giant ass cursed sword, would he?

His best displays/feats involve the use of his sword, there's no indication that any technique performed with the sword can be done without it at the same level
 
however we became aware that law and kidd held back powers on the rooftop they already had while luffy and zoro went all out.
no doubt the portrayal those two gain from defeating a yonko in a 2v 1 individually is certainly still above beating a right hand 1v1
emphasis on their victory confirms it .
When their awakenings were first introduced, both Kid and Law essentially stated that they were last-resort abilities that were not fully mastered in the slightest--only when they were forced into a corner by Big Mom did they pull their awakenings out. To be completely honest, you can make the same argument for Zoro "holding back powers" on the rooftop because he was regulating his haki due to Enma.

Realistically, the only time I'd say Zoro went "all out" on the rooftop was when he used Ashura, and he was already a dead man walking at that point. Hell, if you straight up remove the Ashura feat, you can still argue that Zoro looked better than Law on the rooftop as a combatant.

The 'defeated a Yonko' argument for Law is almost as problematic as the 'swordsman' argument for Zoro--it's way too much of an oversimplification.

After I looked at @Garp the Fist's compilation of Law's attacks on Big Mom, I was surprised at the fact that every single one of Law's attacks landed while Big Mom was distracted by Kid. That type of leverage doesn't exist in a 1v1. Not only that, but the most damning thing about it is the fact that Law's BEST feat against Big Mom can't actually be measured whatsoever besides the DC. There's legitimately no way to tell how much damage Puncture Wille actually did to Big Mom, and it honestly should not get as much benefit of the doubt as it does because Big Mom continued to turn around and challenge Kidd to attack her right after. Even in the very next chapter, it took Big Mom collapsing through the floor and punching a bomb and then falling god knows how many feet into a hole in order to secure the victory.

What did Law do to Big Mom, from a pure damage output perspective, in the fight that we can be confident beyond all reasonable doubt that Zoro would be unable to reproduce?

And to top ALL OF THAT off, what I find so unbelievably hypocritical about some Law/Zoro arguments is this:
  • According to many people, Zoro's "KoH time limit" is such a huge flaw that it has become the main issue people use to claim that he loses a given fight, and yet:
    • Based on my understanding of Law's devil fruit, he should not be able to use K-Room and Room in conjunction, which means that any advantage in 'hax' that Law would get...goes straight down the drain when he wants to use his awakening. He becomes a literal sitting duck and it's almost entirely due to the circumstances of this particular fight that he was able to get away with it so many damn times
Also @LANJI CUCKSMOKE only the first 2 little paragraphs were directed at you the rest was just a general rant
 

Beating them is an outcome, not a strength goal. Luffy had Nami ruin the biscuits because it's not about beating Cracker man to man. Luffy left the entire battlefield vs Katakuri because it wasn't about fighting head on.

Lemme know when Luffy is pulling Zoro out of Mihawk's mouth and shit.
Throughout the manga pirate fights have never meant to be fair and that doesn't change the fact that Luffy has stated that in-order to achieve his dream he needs to be the strongest
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Stupidest take ever I swear 😂😂😂😂
Zoro knows how to cut lighting now:choppawhat:
 
I hate this argument so much it shows how simple minded the one piece community is
Or things are simple but readers can't deal with it?

World strongest swordman is anything but one the most easiest things to understand in the series the name itself solves it nonchalantly.

WB tittle is definitely more complicated to define.
Like it applies to human only? What about non human beings? Etc
 

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Law doesn't always need his sword to attack so he isn't a swordsman. Meanwhile, Kaku...


I mean, I understand why one might think Law isn't a swordsman in the same sense as Zoro but these arguments are as useless as they can be. Law's a swordsman through and through; whether or not he falls under the WSS title is a different story altogether.
 
The issue with Zoro is that his "feats" come at the cost of him nearly dying.

This isn't just a stamina/Haki issue like Gear 4 or Law's awakening. He is risking his life to use that power, and if he doesn't win within a certain amount of time it's over.

It's a great powerup, but it comes at too terrible of a cost. It's like Kaioken x20.
Law powers drain his lifetime and and burn his stamina harshly.

At least we know mastering aCoC and Enma
and using them without recoil (oden) is 100% doable while law will always have a disadvantage.

What's more impressive is that this was Zoro imperfect aCoC like all over the place due lack of mastery.

And yeah COC users still have a higher ceiling we like it or not (Roger is the best example)
 
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Or things are simple but readers can't deal with it?

World strongest swordman is anything but one the most easiest things to understand in the series the name itself solves it nonchalantly.

WB tittle is definitely more complicated to define.
Like it applies to human only? What about non human beings? Etc
You basically are saying that devil fruits don't matter when you have a sword.
 
To add something into the discussion.
Zoro's time limit it's not about adv CoC, zoro come close to death because he used extremely amount of CoA before his adv CoC pu.
He was at his limit kind like luffy is after g4, worse ofc because zoro never stopped using CoA through enma unlike luffy who will run out of energy and return to base form.
There is no indication that zoro has a short time limit while using KoH.
 
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