Questions & Mysteries Will Oda ever give us a direct answer for Zoro vs Law?

[nik87]

If it was the case, this thread wouldn't exist

The same reason why Shanks vs Mihawk exists despite a clear answer, eh?

 

[Bogard]

That's like saying if Luffy is stronger than Zoro, then Zoro vs. Luffy threads wouldn't exist. The logic doesn't quite work and these things always exist as long as people don't stop looking for ways to work around logic.

That's the thing. We know Luffy is stronger than Zoro because of multiple things(captain, always defeat stronger opponents, etc). In the Law vs Zoro case it's different because they are part of different crews, and it's debatable due to the feat-to-feat vs portrayal / accomplishment with the whole swordsman debate

As stated there is a "swordsman camp" on one side, but there is the portrayal / accomplishment side on the other

To put things in perspective, I'd take an arc like dressrosa where Law went all-out and had a higher accomplishment in the one piece world(rated 3 stars instead of 2 for Zoro, contributing in Doffy's defeat, higher bounty, etc), but on the other hand Zoro didn't go all out(no Asura) giving the impression he could do more in terms of feats

Well in Wano it's a bit similar. We don't know the max scale of Zoro going all out with Koh + Asura, but on the other hand, Law has superior accomplishment in contributing in Big Mom's defeat, which would most likely even be translated post arc with bounty, etc

Which is what is making it more debatable

 

[Human D Luffy]

That's the thing. We know Luffy is stronger than Zoro because of multiple things(captain, always defeat stronger opponents, etc). In the Law vs Zoro case it's different because they are part of different crews, and it's debatable due to the feat-to-feat vs portrayal / accomplishment with the whole swordsman debate

As stated there is a "swordsman camp" on one side, but there is the portrayal / accomplishment side on the other

To put things in perspective, I'd take an arc like dressrosa where Law went all-out and had a higher accomplishment in the one piece world(rated 3 stars instead of 2 for Zoro, contributing in Doffy's defeat, higher bounty, etc), but on the other hand Zoro didn't go all out(no Asura) giving the impression he could do more in terms of feats

Well in Wano it's a bit similar. We don't know the max scale of Zoro going all out with Koh + Asura, but on the other hand, Law has superior accomplishment in contributing in Big Mom's defeat, which would most likely even be translated post arc with bounty, etc

Which is what is making it more debatable

This is the argument for zoro vs. law right now, but doesn't exist for EoS.
You are looking just at feats, but not potential.
Law's ceiling is hard cap, zoro's ceiling is much higher. I am pretty sure most people are well aware of this.

 

[nik87]

You are looking just at feats, but not potential.

You can look just at feats and Law's arent even close to Zoro. 2vs1 means nothing in 1vs1.
Feats against an incompetent character like Linlin dont transfer to feats vs Zoro.
Law has shown what he can do in 1vs1 against Smoker and Doffy - not much.

 

[Ven437]

Law is a swordsman but not the kind like Zoro or Mihawk. His slashes don’t cut flesh they cut Buggy style and fry your insides. He is not haki based but DF based. The way of fighting that makes you a swordsman like Zoro is haki use.

Anyways why would Zoro getting the WSS mean he is stronger than Law if he never fights Law, who will be elevated on the level of a Yonko/peer of Luffy? Law doesn’t care about the title and has not competed for it, he only cares about his own ancestry. Oda doesn’t even bother pairing them together in terms of swordsmanship rivalry.

 

[Rivaille]

How is his performance better than Laws?

Because:

-He beat a YC1 in less than 15 minutes
-He blocked the combined attack of two top tiers
-With 30 broken bones put a permanent scar on Kaido
-He unlocked Adv CoC which is an ability that only an handful of strongest have

 

[Garp the Fist]

Here’s a collection of all the things Law actually did against Big Mom

Chapter 1030

Spoiler

Beginning of what we see of the fight. Attacks Big Mom who is paying zero attention to him, focusing on Kid. This becomes a theme of the fight

Gets hit by Prometheus, independently.

Ends up on the deck, Big Mom basically unscathed other than a scratch on her face. Anything done here that base Zoro couldn’t? No.

Chapter 1031 and 1032

Spoiler

This is where Awakening comes into play. So at this stage we’ll say this is where KoH Zoro would start fighting as well, both being stamina draining upgrades that they unlocked after the fight.

Law, again, attacks Big Mom from behind while she’s focused on Kid,

It does hurt, but she recovers quickly and is still capable of talking.

It’s actually Kid that lands the stronger attack on her that takes time for her to recover and come back as Bigger Mom.

Any reason to think that if Zoro got to attack Big Mom from behind with a KoH attack (not Dragon Damnation) that it wouldn’t do at least the damage Law did? I say nope.

Chapter 1038

Spoiler

Beaten up a bit by nameless attacks. Nothing Zoro couldn’t take

Again, attacks a Big Mom paying zero attention to him.

Gets back up right after it only to be attacked by Kid.

So, again, if Zoro’s landing an unprotected KoH attack (not Dragon Damnation) on her from behind, it will fuck her up

Chapter 1039

Spoiler

Good hype for Law, Big Mom says his attacks are dangerous. But Big Mom was also shitting herself over base Zoro attacking Kaido on the roof, so eh

Law, once again, attacks from behind while Big Mom is attacking Kid. Combo here, launches a Tact and leaps on her right after

Law tanks the hits. These are also the last hits that Law takes. Impressive, eh, withstanding Hakai level, definitely not.

Lands Puncture Wille. His big attack. At this stage we can swap in Dragin Damnation. Does it blow up the crater in the ground, no, does it still badly fuck up Big Mom, hell yes.

She’s still capable of commanding Misery, the white eyes are very brief and she’s telling Kid to do his worst

That’s Law‘s biggest moment, and again, it’s nothing beyond Zoro. Anyone really going to try and argue he couldn’t take some base CoA punches, or that Dragon Damnation landed on her from behind wouldn’t fuck her up?

Chapter 1040

Spoiler

Here we see the one thing that Zoro cannot do. It’s also really situational and useless in most fights.

He also cuts up Misery, which Zoro could do

And… that’s the end of Law’s role. I really do not see squat puts him above Zoro. He’s certainly got a lot of very situational strengths- he can silence Big Mom, he can make a big crater in the ground. But that can be contrasted with the fact his one vs one attempts were pretty lacking.

 

[Human D Luffy]

You can look just at feats and Law's arent even close to Zoro. 2vs1 means nothing in 1vs1.
Feats against an incompetent character like Linlin dont transfer to feats vs Zoro.
Law has shown what he can do in 1vs1 against Smoker and Doffy - not much.

Well yes. I also think zoro's current feat of beating King >> 2 v 1. removing linlin from wano.
But it is hard to compare two feats because one is a full-on 1 v. 1 and the other is a 2 v.1 stalling a stronger opponent.

My point is by EoS there would be no comparison.

 

[KageFumi]

Why did Law lose to Doffy in 2vs1 with Luffy while Doffy got Admiral to protect him from Zoro?
That guy is above Zoro? Not even close, lol. He literally just reached his peak as high tier.
He is not stronger than Fishman Island Zoro. Getting stronger attacks isnt making him a better fighter.
Law was never above Zoro, at any point in the story. It's rather funny that people think he is above Zoro now, lol...

I can't believe this people man. Advance CoC suddenly means nothing when Zoro got it. They keep downplaying Zoro feats and portrayal. Wtf

Post automatically merged: Feb 26, 2022

Talk about MC crew bullshit. Well, Zoro is the second main character of the series.

 

[Human D Luffy]

Here’s a collection of all the things Law actually did against Big Mom

Chapter 1030

Spoiler

Beginning of what we see of the fight. Attacks Big Mom who is paying zero attention to him, focusing on Kid. This becomes a theme of the fight

Gets hit by Prometheus, independently.

Ends up on the deck, Big Mom basically unscathed other than a scratch on her face. Anything done here that base Zoro couldn’t? No.

Chapter 1031 and 1032

Spoiler

This is where Awakening comes into play. So at this stage we’ll say this is where KoH Zoro would start fighting as well, both being stamina draining upgrades that they unlocked after the fight.

Law, again, attacks Big Mom from behind while she’s focused on Kid,

It does hurt, but she recovers quickly and is still capable of talking.

It’s actually Kid that lands the stronger attack on her that takes time for her to recover and come back as Bigger Mom.

Any reason to think that if Zoro got to attack Big Mom from behind with a KoH attack (not Dragon Damnation) that it wouldn’t do at least the damage Law did? I say nope.

Chapter 1038

Spoiler

Beaten up a bit by nameless attacks. Nothing Zoro couldn’t take

Again, attacks a Big Mom paying zero attention to him.

Gets back up right after it only to be attacked by Kid.

So, again, if Zoro’s landing an unprotected KoH attack (not Dragon Damnation) on her from behind, it will fuck her up

Chapter 1039

Spoiler

Good hype for Law, Big Mom says his attacks are dangerous. But Big Mom was also shitting herself over base Zoro attacking Kaido on the roof, so eh

Law, once again, attacks from behind while Big Mom is attacking Kid. Combo here, launches a Tact and leaps on her right after

Law tanks the hits. These are also the last hits that Law takes. Impressive, eh, withstanding Hakai level, definitely not.

Lands Puncture Wille. His big attack. At this stage we can swap in Dragin Damnation. Does it blow up the crater in the ground, no, does it still badly fuck up Big Mom, hell yes.

She’s still capable of commanding Misery, the white eyes are very brief and she’s telling Kid to do his worst

That’s Law‘s biggest moment, and again, it’s nothing beyond Zoro. Anyone really going to try and argue he couldn’t take some base CoA punches, or that Dragon Damnation landed on her from behind wouldn’t fuck her up?

Chapter 1040

Spoiler

Here we see the one thing that Zoro cannot do. It’s also really situational and useless in most fights.

He also cuts up Misery, which Zoro could do

And… that’s the end of Law’s role. I really do not see squat puts him above Zoro. He’s certainly got a lot of very situational strengths- he can silence Big Mom, he can make a big crater in the ground. But that can be contrasted with the fact his one vs one attempts were pretty lacking.

Damn. I didn't realize Law was cheap shotting BM behind her back everytime during that teamfight.
Very nice analysis as always.

 

[kumae]

Why did Law lose to Doffy in 2vs1 with Luffy while Doffy got Admiral to protect him from Zoro?
That guy is above Zoro? Not even close, lol. He literally just reached his peak as high tier.
He is not stronger than Fishman Island Zoro. Getting stronger attacks isnt making him a better fighter.
Law was never above Zoro, at any point in the story. It's rather funny that people think he is above Zoro now, lol...

Idk nik oda has made too hax ope ope

Currently law's portrayal is above zoro's


Law is a yonko of the new generation and zoro is the 2nd strongest 1st commander


But chances are that law's gonna die

I don't think the immortality surgery was introduced for nothing

Yeah this could be also true law could die at EoS

 

[HA001]

Here’s a collection of all the things Law actually did against Big Mom

Chapter 1030

Spoiler

Beginning of what we see of the fight. Attacks Big Mom who is paying zero attention to him, focusing on Kid. This becomes a theme of the fight

Gets hit by Prometheus, independently.

Ends up on the deck, Big Mom basically unscathed other than a scratch on her face. Anything done here that base Zoro couldn’t? No.

Chapter 1031 and 1032

Spoiler

This is where Awakening comes into play. So at this stage we’ll say this is where KoH Zoro would start fighting as well, both being stamina draining upgrades that they unlocked after the fight.

Law, again, attacks Big Mom from behind while she’s focused on Kid,

It does hurt, but she recovers quickly and is still capable of talking.

It’s actually Kid that lands the stronger attack on her that takes time for her to recover and come back as Bigger Mom.

Any reason to think that if Zoro got to attack Big Mom from behind with a KoH attack (not Dragon Damnation) that it wouldn’t do at least the damage Law did? I say nope.

Chapter 1038

Spoiler

Beaten up a bit by nameless attacks. Nothing Zoro couldn’t take

Again, attacks a Big Mom paying zero attention to him.

Gets back up right after it only to be attacked by Kid.

So, again, if Zoro’s landing an unprotected KoH attack (not Dragon Damnation) on her from behind, it will fuck her up

Chapter 1039

Spoiler

Good hype for Law, Big Mom says his attacks are dangerous. But Big Mom was also shitting herself over base Zoro attacking Kaido on the roof, so eh

Law, once again, attacks from behind while Big Mom is attacking Kid. Combo here, launches a Tact and leaps on her right after

Law tanks the hits. These are also the last hits that Law takes. Impressive, eh, withstanding Hakai level, definitely not.

Lands Puncture Wille. His big attack. At this stage we can swap in Dragin Damnation. Does it blow up the crater in the ground, no, does it still badly fuck up Big Mom, hell yes.

She’s still capable of commanding Misery, the white eyes are very brief and she’s telling Kid to do his worst

That’s Law‘s biggest moment, and again, it’s nothing beyond Zoro. Anyone really going to try and argue he couldn’t take some base CoA punches, or that Dragon Damnation landed on her from behind wouldn’t fuck her up?

Chapter 1040

Spoiler

Here we see the one thing that Zoro cannot do. It’s also really situational and useless in most fights.

He also cuts up Misery, which Zoro could do

And… that’s the end of Law’s role. I really do not see squat puts him above Zoro. He’s certainly got a lot of very situational strengths- he can silence Big Mom, he can make a big crater in the ground. But that can be contrasted with the fact his one vs one attempts were pretty lacking.

Literally everything he done is a sneak attack and everyone gassing like he can do any of this 1 vs 1

 

[nik87]

I can't believe this people man. Advance CoC suddenly means nothing when Zoro got it. They keep downplaying Zoro feats and portrayal. Wtf

Post automatically merged: Feb 26, 2022

Talk about MC crew bullshit. Well, Zoro is the second main character of the series.

You can completely remove aCoC from Zoro and he claps Law.
That's not the reason why Zoro is stronger than Law.
It is the same reason why Law isnt stronger than Doffy.

Making their attacks stronger doesnt make them better fighters.
Zoro is the best fighter there is, Law is average, at best.
That's the key point that makes the difference not just vs Law but vs anyone.

Idk nik oda has made too hax ope ope

So hax that Doffy clapped him without Awakening.
Once again, getting stronger attacks, which he lands only because of cheap shots in 2vs1, doesnt make him a better fighter.

 

[KageFumi]

Zoro already showed us a lot of feats, above Law and still got downplay like crazy. It's like Zoro feats in onigashima doesn't exist at all. Goddamn...

 

[Manos. AsuraZoro]

Already did.
One defeated a Yonko, the other Is sleeping after fought a mere commander after he received an haki pu.
Do your maths.

Sorry man but you know this ain't true.
First law didn't defeat a Yonko by himself and second, king is not a mere commander, he is the RHM of the WSC.
The power that zoro used to defeat king can actually debated if he could beat a Yonko as well.
I truly believe if zoro and sanji for example tagteamed against big mom, they could potentially damage her as much as kid/law.
As for zoro if the mink's medicine side effect didn't kick in he would be up after some minutes.
He didn't took to much damage against king but he used extreme amounts of haki and the rest was needed as we have seen from luffy.

 

[SkySanji]

He already did

Law's opponent is a Yonko whereas Zoro high diffs the weakest YC1

Doesn't get more direct than that

 

[Desolate Smaug]

He already did.

Due to Zoro’s dream about wanting to become the WSS and Law being a swordsman, Law is bound to be below Zoro eos.

Though they’ll probably always be relative overall.

Feats tell a different story.

 

[Human D Luffy]

Literally everything he done is a sneak attack and everyone gassing like he can do any of this 1 vs 1

Law is making sanji's cheap shot against queen look not that bad right now lmfao

 

[Gol D. Roger]

That's the thing. We know Luffy is stronger than Zoro because of multiple things(captain, always defeat stronger opponents, etc). In the Law vs Zoro case it's different because they are part of different crews, and it's debatable due to the feat-to-feat vs portrayal / accomplishment with the whole swordsman debate

As stated there is a "swordsman camp" on one side, but there is the portrayal / accomplishment side on the other

To put things in perspective, I'd take an arc like dressrosa where Law went all-out and had a higher accomplishment in the one piece world(rated 3 stars instead of 2 for Zoro, contributing in Doffy's defeat, higher bounty, etc), but on the other hand Zoro didn't go all out(no Asura) giving the impression he could do more in terms of feats

Well in Wano it's a bit similar. We don't know the max scale of Zoro going all out with Koh + Asura, but on the other hand, Law has superior accomplishment in contributing in Big Mom's defeat, which would most likely even be translated post arc with bounty, etc

Which is what is making it more debatable

Yes, I understand where you're getting at about this being debatable. I was just saying there is no logic in saying "this topic wouldn't exist if it's so obvious" because even things as obvious as "Luffy>Zoro" have dedicated topics all over OP communities.

 

[Garp the Fist]

Damn. I didn't realize Law was cheap shotting BM behind her back everytime during that teamfight.
Very nice analysis as always.

Literally everything he done is a sneak attack and everyone gassing like he can do any of this 1 vs 1

In all of Onigashima the only thing Law has done in close to one vs one circumstances is this

Where yes, Kid attacks first, but it’s Kaido who then initiates the attack on Law, who dodges and gets Gamma Knife.

Everything else Kaido or Big Mom have been focusing on someone else, paying no attention to him or it comes as a combo following someone else’s attacks. Law’s best, most recent one vs one feat onpanel is still when he had a stalemate with Hawkins in Act One lol.