Questions & Mysteries Will Oda ever give us a direct answer for Zoro vs Law?

[HA001]

So insecure about Mihawk and Zoro to the point of bringing up irrelevant characters to this discussion.

BM bodies Vista while Prom giant sun soloes Postponehawk.

The irony is you're the one who deflected this to mihawk in the first place
So congrats for bodying yourself

 

[Finalbeta]

What should Oda even display exactly? 🤔

 

[serkeara]

This is absolutely a joke. It is clear as hell that Zoro is far superior than Law.
People who think Law > Zoro mean they assume that:

• Zoro gonna get low diff by Dofla in Dressrosa
  • instead Dofla got protected by Fujitora from Zoro and Zoro can go toe-to-toe with the admiral
• 2 Zoros won't be able to beat BM
  • look at BM face when she witness Hiryu Kaen without advCOC lol. Imagine 2 Zoros doing Hiryu Kaen with advCOC simultaneously, BM will either faint, beg for life, or run back to Whole Cake.

This is not include the fact that Zoro performance on the rooftop is far better, and make Law become his cheerleader and personal spokesman.

Also, advCOC power up is much better than awakening. It makes Luffy from getting one-shot to be on par with Kaido.
At the same time, awakening Law and Kid need to gang bang BM and still need a favor situation (bomb) to knock her out lol.

 

[mly90]

Replace Law’s kikuchi with a fodder or no name sword, does his lethality change? His DF powers? No.

Take Law’s sword away, does he become useless in battle? No, he has other tools in his arsenal.

Replace Zoro’s swords with fodder swords, his AP drastically changes. Take his swords away, and he’s almost helpless.

There’s the difference between Law as a swordsman and Zoro as a swordsman. Law is 50% swordsman at best (and that is being EXTREMELY generous), who doesn’t mind fighting without it, Zoro is 100% pure swordsman. Law’s sword is an extension of his true abilities, not his ability.

You can't just change your fighting style that easily Law was trained in swordsmanship at young age among other styles. He picked and stuck with the sword as his main weapon, i would not rule out the possibility Law tried many different swords that all broke or didn't allow him to use his df effectively before he came across his cursed Kikuchi. We have not seen Law rely on any other weapons than his sword in the series as for Zoro you realize still haki exists great weapons don't increase his AP. They are just more durable and don't break as easily swords don't work like devil fruits.

 

[U c 4 up da idly]

This is absolutely a joke. It is clear as hell that Zoro is far superior than Law.
People who think Law > Zoro mean they assume that:

• Zoro gonna get low diff by Dofla in Dressrosa
  • instead Dofla got protected by Fujitora from Zoro and Zoro can go toe-to-toe with the admiral
• 2 Zoros won't be able to beat BM
  • look at BM face when she witness Hiryu Kaen without advCOC lol. Imagine two Zoros doing Hiryu Kaen with advCOC at the same time, BM will either faint and run back to Whole Cake in an instant.

This is not include the fact that Zoro performance in the rooftop is far better, and make Law become his cheerleader and personal spokesman.

Also, advCOC power up is much better than awakening. It makes Luffy from getting one-shot to be on par with Kaido.
At the same time, awakening Law and Kid need to gang bang BM and still need a favor situation (bomb) to knock her out lol.

Zoro protected Luffy from pica, is pica also stronger than Law?

 

[Ven437]

The irony is you're the one who deflected this to mihawk in the first place
So congrats for bodying yourself

WSS = Mihawk = Vista level = main argument that Zoro fans use to justify being above Law, none of them are irrelevant to this discussion.

Congrats for showing how daft you are.

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You can't just change your fighting style that easily Law was trained in swordsmanship at young age among other styles. He picked and stuck with the sword as his main weapon, i would not rule out the possibility Law tried many different swords that all broke or didn't allow him to use his df effectively before he came across his cursed Kikuchi. We have not seen Law rely on any other weapons than his sword in the series as for Zoro you realize still haki exists great weapons don't increase his AP. They are just more durable and don't break as easily swords don't work like devil fruits.

I didn't say Law isn't a swordsman, but that he is not reliant on swords to fight as Zoro is. Just like how King isn't a swordsman either. WSS title carries very little to no meaning on Law, who is with his peers pushing into in the Yonko realm.

 

[R A I T E I I I]

So I am well aware that this site is something of an echochamber for the most fervent zoro fans, but outside this small community, Zoro vs Law is something that is debated on by a majority of the forum. A significant amount of reddit users believe that Law>Zoro as Law is Luffy's rival, has a higher bounty, and defeated an emperor whereas Zoro simply defeated King.

Regardless of what your opinions are on Zoro vs Law, in order for Zoro to be the WSSM, Oda needs to do one of these things:

• directly and unequivocally show that Zoro> Law
  • by having Zoro either defeat Law outright, defeat a much stronger opponent than Law's, or have Law state his inferiority
  • This isn't just something like Zoro using asura and Law making a soy face. It has to be something so significant that even non-zoro fans accept Zoro is stronger. After all, Oda isn't writing One piece just for the sake of Zoroboys on worstgen.
• portray that Zoro isn't in competition with DF users like Law

Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if later down the road, Law switches sides and tries to steal Luffy's poneglyph maps and we get Zoro vs Law to give us a definitive answer. But overall, by the end of one piece, Zoro vs Law shouldn't be up for debate. Either Zoro>Law, Law isn't in competition for WSSM because of his DF, or Zoro's title isn't definite.

Law is loyal to Luffy. No way he comes up with something like that lol. That shit would be low as fuck...

Considering WSS swordsman is a mistranslation and it means most skilled swordsman Law > zoro

When was it said WSS is mistraslation. Honestly I used to be a Zorotard in the past, snd right now I'm not a hater even I flame zoro at every chance but I have a certain problem believing that EOS Zoro> Mihawk/Final rival Ghandi> Shank.

That powerscale sounds ridiculous. On top of that if we include Luffy it would look like Luffy>Zoro eos> Mihawk> Shanks?

So Luffy>>> Shanks? Something doesnt add up here. Im starting to believe that Mihawk cannot possibly be more than 1% stronger than Shanks thus their draws and zoro will have another 1% edge. So at the end of the day zoro is a good Yonkou level sworsdam

 

[Malio]

Haki doesn't work on homies we saw this in wci

Then a wind tornado will as she's just an element. Tatsumaki GG lol

 

[R A I T E I I I]

Yeah Law and Kid being used as hype up tools for BB Titanic captains seems very possible. Or being taken down by the admirals seems very likely as well.

But for the time being, Law is simply stronger since he has better current feats and portrayal but Zoro will outgrow him soon.

Law would destroy Blackbeard. If theres one Yonkou he can fuck up and its him. Blackbeard is just a glorified retarded 3 dimensional tank...

Its a possibility that neither Law and Kid ever experience a defeat again in the entire series. Damn Monkey D theorie must be happy thinking of that

 

[park_min young]

"a no traditional swordman" is still a swordman.

"even if Oda classifies him as such" so you will be deaf ears despite the author words?

The argument of he can use X instead of the sword is baseless until you can provide panels.

-Having Zoro above a devil fruit based fighter who barely classifies as a swordsman is just going for technicality. What’s even the essence of his title at that point, you just have to carry around a sword and Zoro should automatically beat you? When your swordsmanship hardly makes up of your fighting ability.

-I don’t have to show panels, it’s the nature of his devil fruit. Mes, GK, shambles, takt, almost all of his basic moves doesn’t even require him to unsheath his sword. His awakening attacks are shockwaves coming from the room coating his sword. It’s just a medium for his room to travel inside opponents, it doesn’t even prick, quite counterintuitive for a supposed sword based fighter. Oda has always treated Law as primarily a devil fruit fighter.

 

[R A I T E I I I]

Yeah, this is also a debate here. Especially after Law's awakening was fully fleshed out against Linlin.

I think it's bound to happen that Zoro (potentially Sanji too) surpass Law/Kidd. I'm not sure they'll retain the same level of relevance now in a hundred chapters. Hell, Law went from arguably the second most important character in two arcs to slumming it with Zoro/Sanji in terms of screen time in Wano.

So my opinion is, it's inevitable that they'll fall behind because they aren't the MCs crew. Currently Law is stronger than Zoro and I have zero doubt he'd beat him in a fight, but Zoro has many more opportunities to grow stronger as well.

It hasnt been "fully fleshed out" at all mate

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Unless Oda has him fight Aokiji in Raftel, I am not really sure if he'll follow them into a Blackbeard fight.

No. Law would rape everyone. Law will only be present against admirals/marines and Gorosei

 

[U c 4 up da idly]

Then a wind tornado will as she's just an element. Tatsumaki GG lol

Where was that wind tornado to stop indra?

 

[Finalbeta]

I see some are still refusing to acknowledge manga or One Piece facts.

Law is a swordsman. Doesn't matter how you cut it (pun intended), he is a swordsman. Law has been called a swordsman in official One Piece sources and his fighting style revolves around him using a sword and swordsmanship. I understand that Law's DF doesn't require a sword yet he still uses one. It doesn't get any clearer than that.

Law being a pirate captain doesn't mean he's Luffy's rival or stronger than Zoro.

During pre TS you could argue they might be Luffy's rival but post TS they have never been rivals. They created an alliance and Law's new goal is to learn the true world history not to become pirate king.

Even though Law has been very impressive in Wano Zoro still have greater feats that puts him above Law. While Law role in Wano is done Zoro's role is not finished yet.

Reminds me of when people thought Helmeppo would match Zoro just because Coby would eventually match Luffy post EoS but not only they didn't make sense they didn't even properly see through power levels.

 

[CbShadow]

Law being a DF user doesn't make him any less of a swordsman. This is turning into the new hakiman BS.

Some need to stop comparing him to King because King is very different. Unlike Law, who has been stated to be a swordsman in more than one source, the manga told us King is not a swordsman. King stated he doesn't have a specific fighting style. His fight with Zoro supported that. King will use his wings to fight with just as quick as he will use a sword.

While Law's fighting style revolves around swordsmanship. Isn't relevant if he can attack or fight without a sword because that's not the fight style Oda decided to give Law.

Being able to attack and/or fight without a sword doesn't stop you from being a swordsman. Even if you take a sword away from a swordsman that doesn't mean they are useless without. Zoro and Hyou both proved that.

Zoro performed a powerful range cutting attack with short blade. He used a scythe to defeat Killer and he added blackened haki to the scythe. He can add large amounts of CoA haki and CoC haki to any weapon. Hyou showed us how easily a swordsman can use barrier haki to attack an opponent with without a sword.

 

[Malio]

Where was that wind tornado to stop indra?

Ask Oda

 

[HA001]

Where was that wind tornado to stop indra?

You mean the attack which did nothing to zoro despite him getting hit by it point blank

 

[Fn Lucci]

Spoiler

Beating them is an outcome, not a strength goal. Luffy had Nami ruin the biscuits because it's not about beating Cracker man to man. Luffy left the entire battlefield vs Katakuri because it wasn't about fighting head on.

Lemme know when Luffy is pulling Zoro out of Mihawk's mouth and shit.

 

[Gon’s Missing Arm]

I already know how Oda view Zoro and Law.

Law can't escape Fuji basic gravity that he can do while eating noodles, I guess.
Zoro used a basic no name slash to send Fuji back after dealing with 20X greater gravity than Law.

If we look at Wano it's even worse:

- Zoro took a Hakai and was still fighting
- Hakai damage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eclipses Law final best move
- Zoro is faster than Law, has better CoO
- Zoro has better CoA
- Zoro is advanced CoC.

Law saved significant energy by chilling, then cheap shot, then chilling, rinse repeat. Trying that high risk awakening, in a 1v1, with someone with compentent CoO, speed, and not big as Big Mom is diifferent.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Considering WSS swordsman is a mistranslation and it means most skilled swordsman Law > zoro

Well this is a lie… a hilarious one

 

[OEKaneki]

Luffy's dream isn't about strength.

This is ridiculous beyond imagination.

Also, beating King solo has nothing to do with beating someone else in two on one. That's a completely different scenario aside from coincidental endings: Zoro's serum wears off through no intention from King, so he's seriously hurt after a mid diff. Big Mom is taken out by a bomb neither of the other two knew anything about just as they had both fallen. That says nothing either way.

Yes, it does. Zoro was getting dominated by someone that Law and Kid’s opponent would have ravaged utterly. They were fighting someone far superior than Zoro was fighting. This isn’t rocket science.