Questions & Mysteries Will Oda ever give us a direct answer for Zoro vs Law?

[OEKaneki]

Zoro's goal in life is to be "saikyo." His character revolves around that even to a fault where people think he's shallow. Many of us like Usopp more than Chopper but can admit he isn't as strong. But if that was his goal, many people would probably think twice about shitting on him at every turn to play up his peers.

Obviously you have your opinion, sure you like Zoro second most for your own reason. But the narrative shows some objective misunderstandings, and that's why you're wrong about stuff that happens.

His goal in life is the be the best swordsman. Coincidentally, the personification of his goal told his captain straight up that his captain has ambition that lies even beyond that.

From very early on, Oda straight up said that Zoro didn’t exist in Luffy’s realm. This has been reinforced multiple times, from the widening gap between enemies he faces and the enemies Luffy faces, the widening gap between captains and their crews, and the widening gap between the top and those who contend at the top, and everyone else. Luffy, like Roger, has people that only Luffy can take care of, that Zoro and Rayleigh could not. This was shown multiple times, Zoro himself turned his back on Lucci at Enies Lobby, and chopper specifically mentioned it on Thriller Bark.

Spare me this nonsensical line:

But the narrative shows some objective misunderstandings, and that's why you're wrong about stuff that happens.

When your friends here on the fanboy propaganda pamphlet have said this entire arc and longer that Zoro was on Law and Kid’s level, and then he gets dominated for most of the fight by someone that Law and Kid’s opponent (who they beat) would eviscerating with ease, and you still can’t admit otherwise, hence the thread.

There are people that only Luffy can contend with. This has been a dominant theme in the story for the entirety of it. Zoro himself has acknowledged it. The crew has acknowledged it. Law is one of those people, and that’s fine. It doesn’t make Zoro worse off, unless you’re a powerscaling fanboy that only likes Zoro because “big strong!!!”

 

[Geo]

Law doesn’t lack in that department either if we’re talking current feats.

Zoro has superior feats

 

[ZenZu]

So is Law.

Ignore all the Usopp Pirate Gallery stuff, I don’t care about that either. It was explicitly said cursed swords have personalities, and need a swordsman to master it.

And that the blade itself choses the swordsman.

All this applies just as much to Law with Kikoku as it does Zoro and Enma.

1.I personally view Law as a swordsman. Just not the kind Oda aligns with the WSS title. Even Fujitora a confirmed swordsman is not bound by that title imo.

2.That's not confirmation. It's an implication.

In Oda's world you're not a swordsman unless you believe you are at heart, regardless of outside appearances. I don't think it's too much to ask in a sword based arc to have someone even mistakingly call Law a swordsman, or atleast shed some light on Law as a swordsman. Oda completely ignores that entire aspect of Law and then given his fighting style you can replace his sword with any graded weapon and nothing changes. He doesn't even use the sharpness that comes with a named blade. Everything we know about swordsman in this verse is that they're obsessed with cutting. They use haki, strength, techniques to enhance their cuts. Law doesn't have a single attack in his entire moveset that actually cuts or aims to cut.

 

[comrade]

I get the temptation of not including Law into the WSS narrative, because his sword aside, his fighting style has nothing to do with swordsmanship. But if we base it on sheer power, there is no way around putting Zoro > Law.

> Law beat Big Mom in a team effort with Kidd, extreme diff and by dumping her into a 50km deep hole with a nuke rather than knocking her out.

> Zoro went solo against King and obliterated him. Prior to that, being the MVP on the roof top; scaring Big Mom, blocking Hakai, scarring Kaido while already being at his limit and pre King of Hell.

With Zoro being in competition with the strongest people in history, for they were and are swordsmen; e.g. Xebec, Roger, Shanks, Mihawk, Oden. With even Roger and Shanks, who are hyped by the fandom most, being "pure swordsmen" without a DF even. Don't even start with punching and kicking here.

So simply by Zoro's ceiling, Law cannot compete. Doffy even said, lacking CoC, Law does not have the same potential as someone with CoC, and Zoro is one of the rare CoC users capable of even imbuing his attacks with CoC. Even forging a black blade in the future.

So there really isn't a debate here. Zoro is above.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

I don't think it's too much to ask in a sword based arc to have someone even mistakingly call Law a swordsman, or atleast shed some light on Law as a swordsman.

Oda didn't even bother giving Zoro a proper sword fight in an arc filled with swordsmen. You're asking for too much, unfortunately.

 

[Geo]

Law is a swordsman because;
- He uses a cursed sword

- His fruit abilities complement his swordsmanship.

- He lectures Tashigi about swordsmanship

- Oda labels him as a swordsman

All swordsmen fall under the WSS title.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Honest opinion, the swordsman argument doesn't deserve the attention it is getting. It's not irrelevant but it's the least relevant aspect about Law and Zoro that we should be looking at.

 

[ZenZu]

Oda didn't even bother giving Zoro a proper sword fight in an arc filled with swordsmen. You're asking for too much, unfortunately.

Oda did though. Zoro had a whole soliloquy about being the WSS and not losing. He leveled up his swordmanship specifically. Every single thing Zoro has been doing on wano is to do with levelling up his swordmanship, enhancing his cutting prowess, improving his haki to utilize in battle.

Law is going in a completely different direction. His "power up" this arc was to literally turn off his blades cutting properties completely and give shockwaves from inside.

The one thing swords are meant for and Law's new ability turns that off.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Why do people think Current Zoro > Any swordsman cause he’s the future WSS.

It’s like thinking Current Luffy > Any pirate because he’s the future pirate king

Zoro has to get stronger to be the WSS so other swordsman can still be stronger than him

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Oda did though. Zoro had a whole soliloquy about being the WSS and not losing. He leveled up his swordmanship specifically. Every single thing Zoro has been doing on wano is to do with levelling up his swordmanship, enhancing his cutting prowess, improving his haki to utilize in battle.

Law is going in a completely different direction. His "power up" this arc was to literally turn off his blades cutting properties completely and give shockwaves from inside.

The one thing swords are meant for and Law's new ability turns that off.

Zoro could go through all of that fighting Edward Weevil for all we know but that's not important. We're talking about Oda doing things that go in line with the ongoing arc's theme and he did not do that to the guy with the biggest connection to Wano from the main cast, so it's indeed asking for too much if you expect him to explore the swordsman side of Law of all people.

 

[mly90]

Honest opinion, the swordsman argument doesn't deserve the attention it is getting. It's not irrelevant but it's the least relevant aspect about Law and Zoro that we should be looking at.

Yeah for me not much changes even if Law gets taken out of the swordsman group, Zoro still has much higher ceiling and already performed better this arc. That doesn't mean Law was not impressive as well it's quite an accomplishment what he and kid pulled off regardless of how BM most dangerous abilities were underutilized by Oda.

 

[ZenZu]

Zoro could go through all of that fighting Edward Weevil for all we know but that's not important. We're talking about Oda doing things that go in line with the ongoing arc's theme and he did not do that to the guy with the biggest connection to Wano from the main cast, so it's indeed asking for too much if you expect him to explore the swordsman side of Law of all people.

Well King specifically was tailor made for Zoro's AP to improve. His cutting prowess.

My thing with Law is Oda goes above and beyond to separate him from these things regarding his fighting style. So a little side comment in Wano in a minor panel would have been appreciated.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Well King specifically was tailor made for Zoro's AP to improve. His cutting prowess.

Technically, he awakened it against Kaido. I see where you're getting at, but still, it's hardly appropriate that he chose to make King a non-swordsman in a swordsmen-centric arc.

My thing with Law is Oda goes above and beyond to separate him from these things regarding his fighting style. So a little side comment in Wano in a minor panel would have been appreciated.

I don't think he's intentionally doing anything to separate Law from being a swordsman. He's hardly different from Fujitora. I'd say Fujitora feels less like a swordsman than Law; though I agree that there is always room to dispute the notion that Law is a swordsman unless it's specifically mentioned. I doubt people would accept it even if he's directly called a swordsman.

 

[stealthblack]

Yes. One rivals the future pirate king, one rivals okama sanji.

You Tell me who wins

 

[ZenZu]

Technically, he awakened it against Kaido. I see where you're getting at, but still, it's hardly appropriate that he chose to make King a non-swordsman in a swordsmen-centric arc.



I don't think he's intentionally doing anything to separate Law from being a swordsman. He's hardly different from Fujitora. I'd say Fujitora feels less like a swordsman than Law; though I agree that there is always room to dispute the notion that Law is a swordsman unless it's specifically mentioned. I doubt people would accept it even if he's directly called a swordsman.

Yea I agree it's not intentional in that he doesn't have the whole swordmanship deal in mind when he's coming up with Law's attacks. Oda's not sweating over this shit. Law just happens to not utilize much swordsmanship from the jump. So if Oda did want to box him into that he would drop a panel or 2 in wano.

Which is why I truly believe he doesn't.

 

[Roo]

I still think it’s lame Oda failed to introduce any swordsmen that are actively seeking the WSS title

 

[U c 4 up da idly]

I still think it’s lame Oda failed to introduce any swordsmen that are actively seeking the WSS title

How could you forget about Tashigi she wants to take yoru from Mihawk

 

[Fn Lucci]

His goal in life is the be the best swordsman. Coincidentally, the personification of his goal told his captain straight up that his captain has ambition that lies even beyond that.

From very early on, Oda straight up said that Zoro didn’t exist in Luffy’s realm. This has been reinforced multiple times, from the widening gap between enemies he faces and the enemies Luffy faces, the widening gap between captains and their crews, and the widening gap between the top and those who contend at the top, and everyone else. Luffy, like Roger, has people that only Luffy can take care of, that Zoro and Rayleigh could not. This was shown multiple times, Zoro himself turned his back on Lucci at Enies Lobby, and chopper specifically mentioned it on Thriller Bark.

Spare me this nonsensical line:

When your friends here on the fanboy propaganda pamphlet have said this entire arc and longer that Zoro was on Law and Kid’s level, and then he gets dominated for most of the fight by someone that Law and Kid’s opponent (who they beat) would eviscerating with ease, and you still can’t admit otherwise, hence the thread.

There are people that only Luffy can contend with. This has been a dominant theme in the story for the entirety of it. Zoro himself has acknowledged it. The crew has acknowledged it. Law is one of those people, and that’s fine. It doesn’t make Zoro worse off, unless you’re a powerscaling fanboy that only likes Zoro because “big strong!!!”

Luffy's dream isn't about strength. As strong as Kaido is, he couldn't find 2/4 Red Poneglyphs and had no way to decipher them even if he did. Being pirate king involves tons of factors besides just being able to beat people even if it does mean being a top tier.

Also, beating King solo has nothing to do with beating someone else in two on one. That's a completely different scenario aside from coincidental endings: Zoro's serum wears off through no intention from King, so he's seriously hurt after a mid diff. Big Mom is taken out by a bomb neither of the other two knew anything about just as they had both fallen. That says nothing either way.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

So simply by Zoro's ceiling, Law cannot compete.

@ZenZu what's your take on this? Since Law already awakened his ability which is like the peak of his DF, don't you think Law's got less room to expand his power than Zoro?

 

[U c 4 up da idly]

Luffy's dream isn't about strength. As strong as Kaido is, he couldn't find 2/4 Red Poneglyphs and had no way to decipher them even if he did. Being pirate king involves tons of factors besides just being able to beat people even if it does mean being a top tier.

Also, beating King solo has nothing to do with beating someone else in two on one. That's a completely different scenario aside from coincidental endings: Zoro's serum wears off through no intention from King, so he's seriously hurt after a mid diff. Big Mom is taken out by a bomb neither of the other two knew anything about just as they had both fallen. That says nothing either way.