Future Events Inherited will and characters benchmarks in One Piece

#1


One of the recurring theme of the series is that people will somehow inherit the will of the ones that came before them. Even unconsciously. For example let's think about Noland and Calgara, and the legend of Shandora. They dreamt to meet each other again, and ringing the golden bell as a way to proof to the world what they said was true. But they could not fulfill their dream, and they died. But their will was inherited: time flew, and flew, and at a certain point a certain man named Monkey D. Luffy comes along and rings the bell, showing that the Sky Island really exist, somehow linking Noland and Calgara again.
Some time before, a certain man, who used to wear the same hat Luffy received from Shanks at the start or the series, also reached Skypiea. But it wasn't "the time".

Point is that there's a strong bond between some certain main figures from the past and from the current present, to the point some of the first ones serve as concrete benchmarks for the second ones. For some characters you can even suggest some kind of progression of benchmarks they have, for different reasons, to reach and even surpass.

Luffy = Shanks (mentor and contendent) -> Roger (Pirate King) -> Joy Boy (legendary/mythological figure)

Zoro = Mihawk (mentor and contendent) -> Rayleigh (Pirate King's right hand man, and a king on his own) -> Sword God Ryuma (legendary/mythological figure)

Blackbeard = Xebec (maybe his son, maybe his reincarnation, maybe both; anyway, he knows him, admires him and wants to follow a similar path, that's for sure)

These are a given, I think.

Other could be:

Chopper -> Crocus
Yamato -> Oden
Sanji -> Scopper Gaban
Jinbe -> Sunbell
Franky -> Seagull Nozdon

Law and Kidd could be, both together, a mixture of something similar of what was Whitebeard for Roger.

Smoker was always implied to be "the new Garp" but with Punk Hazard Arc, Oda destroyed him. Maybe he changed his idea and moved that role to Koby? But the latter, albeit potentially very strong, is almost not relevant to the story, up to now, at least.

Sometimes Oda even autoquotes himself, mixing some elements to differentiate the new from the old. Hody is the remake of Arlong. Doflamingo and Dressrosa are the remake of Crocodile and Alabasta. Wano/Onigashima has elements from Alabasta (King vs Zoro is similar to Mr. 1 vs Zoro, Luffy loses multiple times to Kaido like he did to Crocodile), Enies Lobby (the amount of 1 vs 1 fights), Thriller Bark (the awaited dawn and what not).



What do you think?

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#5
I dont think we should compare the current generation to the past one, sure there where great pirates there, and Roger was undoubtly a legendary one...But at the end all he did was set up the current set of events, i have no doubts he set the world after the one piece precisely to bring out the new joy boy. Soo in short, the current generation of pirates will overshadow the past one by a mile.

The only two SW's with clear connections to legendary figures from a distant past, however, are just Luffy and Zoro, with Joyboy and Ryuma specificaly, with Ryuma also having at least a minnor connection with joyboy too, as he was the protector of Wano, and wano seems to be a pretty important place for Joyboy, or the D's in general.
 
#6
Inherited will is based off tangible impact and impressions that characters have on the actions of others. This is part of why OP used to be the best manga ever written.

Now we are inheriting will by magically eating someones fruit and becoming their reincarnation or some shit. Super realistic man.
Well sure the recent developements were something that did hit hard.

The only two SW's with clear connections to legendary figures from a distant past, however, are just Luffy and Zoro, with Joyboy and Ryuma specificaly, with Ryuma also having at least a minnor connection with joyboy too, as he was the protector of Wano, and wano seems to be a pretty important place for Joyboy, or the D's in general.
Luffy and Zoro with Shanks/Roger/Joy Boy and Mihawk/Rayleigh/Ryuma are definitely the ones with the most solid benchmarks and parallels with present and past characters.

Also I think that Blackbeard being a parallel with Rocks D. Xebec is pretty much something to take for granted.
 

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#18
Indeed, likely he knew the "chosen one" would be the only one capable of finding it. Soo he put the treasure there as a means to bait the next joyboy to search for it.
I bet Roger mediated between Joy Boy and Luffy. He probably acknowledged a destined child will have managed to find the treasure one day and accomplish whereas he failed. :josad:
 
#19
He was both cook and VC???? :crazwhat:
Please don't be ridicolous.

Things that Rayleigh shares with Zoro:

- Both are first mates and right hand men for their captain
- Both wield Conqueror Haki
- Both are a "king in the shadows", like someone who is a King on his own: they even have very similar nicknames about that, the Dark King and the King of Hell
- Both are swordsman
- Both are put by Oda in the same exact poses and with the same dressing style
- Both have a design with scars, the same kind of scars, even in the same exact places, eye and chest, just reversed from a side to another, like a mirror
- Both are heavily interested in drinking alcohol
- Both have the same stoic behaviour

Things that Rayleigh share with Sanji:

- Both are interested in women... like everyone who is not omosexual. While Sanji simps and goes hearted eyes and what not, Rayleigh has a completely different behaviour, he just is interested in women and has a wife/partner. Sanji is a perverted simp who will crawl for a girl, Rayleigh is a man who does what he wants. BIG DIFFERENCE.
- Both are blonde... like how many characters are?
- Both used kicks... like, for real? Sanji only fights with kicks, Rayleigh used a kick once and then immediately started fighting with a sword. Do people know how many times Zoro used kicks, punches, grapples and other kind of barehanded physical attacks? If you don't know, go and search in the manga, you'll find so many. That obviously does not make Zoro less of a swordsman, and obviously does not make Rayleigh less of a swordsman as well.

I mean... come on. At this point, trying to argue that Zoro is not paralleled with Rayleigh is like trying to argue that the Earth is flat.









 
#20
- Both used kicks... like, for real? Sanji only fights with kicks, Rayleigh used a kick once and then immediately started fighting with a sword. Do people know how many times Zoro used kicks, punches, grapples and other kind of barehanded physical attacks? If you don't know, go and search in the manga, you'll find so many. That obviously does not make Zoro less of a swordsman, and obviously does not make Rayleigh less of a swordsman as well.
Zoro literaly has a named bare handed atack, soo yeah...
:luuh:
 
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