Spoiler One Piece Chapter 973 Spoilers Discussion

[Fujishiro]

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and you are correct in that
it aint a zoro only problem
its everyone aside luffy or urouge.
they are yet to take down someone of note.
you might say the clash with hawkins, fight with killer , clash with kyoshiro helped a bit and another week of training brough him some pace but def not yc1 level atm.

That’s true, though other supernovas like kids and such are fine if oda scales them to luffy because they aren’t direct subordinates and we can assume they had their own adventures to grow. Especially kid who’s been on hardcore mode in the new world while luffy and co trained. But since zoro is a direct subnordinate of luffy and we actually got to see what he did during this period. It’s a bit harder to justify him being that powerful. I don’t know if I’m explaining myself correctly :p

 

[Brix]

Nah, I'd say Denjiro is around Ashura/Inu level. Only like Luffy, Zoro, and maybe Kidd are Yonko Commander level fighters.

Zolo was out of breath while Denjiro wasn't even trying.

Denjiro is YC level no doubt>>> >Zolo

 

[Nolimittweezy]

Yes but luffy fought doffy and then cracker prior. Making his struggle and fight against kata believable. Zoro fought no one of note. That’s my problem , I feel like I’m repeating myself. Zoro not showing his full power doesn’t mean he should be that much stronger because it would mean luffy was weaker in fishman island and would also render luffys accomplishments obsolete. People like to see their heroes struggle to get there. That’s why a lot of people are against this. I really hope you understand, in no way am in undermining zoro I’m just being coldly logical about this. I want my man to become the strongest swordsman in wano, but he needs to get there. One thing oda can do is have the raid fail, him fighting king and losing then a rematch. That will make it easier to swallow for people.

Him struggling means nothing if he didn't grow. Luffy didn't learn anything new after fighting Doffy & Cracker. He defeated them with techniques he had from when the timeskip began.

It really doesn't matter if Zoro was secretly stronger than Luffy during Fishman island. It's irrelevant at this point since Luffy is far stronger now than he was then.

 

[Reign]

Queen was beating Kyoshiro, Kanjurou and possibly other scabbards' asses 20 years ago lmao so much for him to be stronger and "ordering" Queen. If Kyoshiro got stronger Queen as well has grown even stronger.
Kyoshiro was lucky Queen didnt know he was Denjiro bcs he would've gotten his ass beat right there and then.

 

[Fujishiro]

there's this ignore button yeah. works dandy.
most fans here are zoro fans or sanji fans
that isnt going to change no matter where you go. you can scroll past it if you aint interested in that.

Hey I’m just trying to explain what she felt like friendo. I learned to live with it haha, adds some spice to threads.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

That’s true, though other supernovas like kids and such are fine if oda scales them to luffy because they aren’t direct subordinates and we can assume they had their own adventures to grow. Especially kid who’s been on hardcore mode in the new world while luffy and co trained. But since zoro is a direct subnordinate of luffy and we actually got to see what he did during this period. It’s a bit harder to justify him being that powerful. I don’t know if I’m explaining myself correctly :p

then we saw killer go up against him
the guy who supposedly fought kaido till he was out
didnt do much so the community doesnt rate him.
nothing we can do about that.
we have also seen law's limit.

 

[Attackingwhat]

It would make sense that kyoshiro would defeat king.zoro is nowhere near yc1 level.luffy had to use g4 hax ,crazy observation haki and has an unbelievable endurance and arguably katakuri still handed him the win.with how the story goes King is probably stronger than katakuri and people want Zoro to win over King with a new shitty ass sword.even Sanji beating King would make more sense considering the raid suit is fast and has amazing endurance.

 

[Greenbeard]

Ashura, Inu, Neko and Denjiro should be strongest of Samurais who worked under Oden as they had extra 20 years of fighting and training....

 

[Albino 👑]

Also drake and kyoshiro are both basically double agents under cover
Coincidence? I. Dont. Think. So

 

[Fujishiro]

Him struggling means nothing if he didn't grow. Luffy didn't learn anything new after fighting Doffy & Cracker. He defeated them with techniques he had from when the timeskip began.

It really doesn't matter if Zoro was secretly stronger than Luffy during Fishman island. It's irrelevant at this point since Luffy is far stronger now than he was then.

His haki grew mate that’s what I’m saying godamn, the manga litteraly tells us haki blooms in intense situations. Luffy have everything he had against doffy and had to be carried away for 10 minutes to fight doffy again. That fight was prettty gruesome. Luffy then fought cracker with the help of Nami for 11 hours, that too was an intense fight which in turn made his haki stronger. Making his fight with kata believable. You cannot twist the facts man. Zoro did none of that, squat.
Actually it does matter because it’s an impossibility, you are the ones saying he may have to justify your oh we haven’t seen zoro go all out yet excuse for him to fight and beat litteraly everyone( even talking about beheading kaido, a top tier and a fucking yonko to boot), Sometimes you gotta stop and think about things logically. I am not saying that zoro isn’t gonna beat king, in saying that he should fight someone else before that. And I don’t get why you are fighting this so vehemently, he is gonna get there anyways so Atleast make it enjoyable for people to watch him try and struggle for once. Otherwise it’s boring.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

 

[Jackteo]

Also drake and kyoshiro are both basically double agents under cover
Coincidence? I. Dont. Think. So

At least Drake hates pirates and was actually trying to fight Sanji

 

[Finalbeta]

I always knew Denjiro was the traitor guys :cheers:

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

His haki grew mate that’s what I’m saying godamn, the manga litteraly tells us haki blooms in intense situations. Luffy have everything he had against doffy and had to be carried away for 10 minutes to fight doffy again. That fight was prettty gruesome. Luffy then fought cracker with the help of Nami for 11 hours, that too was an intense fight which in turn made his haki stronger. Making his fight with kata believable. You cannot twist the facts man. Zoro did none of that, squat.

at the same token his training in udon wasnt extreme
I would argue it was a bigger powerup than at wci vs kat .

 

[Buusatan94]

It seems like the Zoro wankers are at it again.

All it took was Kyoshiro being confirmed to be Denjiro, sigh...

 

[Sade]

Is Luffy defeating Doffy ass pull as well ?
Since Luffy before Doffy never fought any worth enemy ?

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

Man, Kaido's clothes. Every damn chapter, it looks like he's Katakuri's father LOL

 

[pedxi]

What ?

Madara will get squashed by Raizo, Nin Nin!

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Is Luffy defeating Doffy ass pull as well ?
Since Luffy before Doffy never fought any worth enemy ?

g4

so suppose zoro had something like that presumably ashura
then zoro could have possibly taken out doffy himself
or close to it. it might pose some problems in why oda took the route he did.

 

[Finalbeta]

Read again....

Zoro and Luffy have different requirements. If Luffy takes more time to grow due to his df and haki mix then that doesn't apply zoro would need that as well....

At this point in the manga Luffy will sadly have the faster growth. He went from being similar to kuri to learning advanced haki in the blink of an eye :cheers: