Break Week Sanji is ultimate rival of Zoro

#41
Zoro and sanji are the closest things to rivals compared to any other character they interact with

Since no one really has shown interest in becoming wss. The closest thing zoro has to a rival outside of sanji is other characters that have a strong will to make their captains king of the pirates. Characters like killer, king, etc. But mainly killer cause he's just more relevant. You could probably count helmeppo and tashigi too kinda

As for sanji we know its every chefs dream for the all blue to be real but we really haven't seen any relevant characters actively after it. Outside of that itd probably be the same as someone who is trying to make their captain king of the pirates.
Also with him being stupid he probably considers anyone doing good a pretty woman a love rival lol
 
#42
Wings doesnt' mean anything in terms of strength, like a certain delusional biased fandom would desperately claim. The Wings just refers to volume 73 SBS where Oda stated that both Zoro and Sanji are trustworthy men who cover Luffys's back. Which is, indeed, what they are, nothing more nothing less. Oda could have easily called them rivals or something in that issue, but... he chose to not.

And, funny thing, even if he did (which, again, he chose to not do) being rivals doesn't mean anything.
You can bicker like Lucci vs Jabra, Kaku vs Jabra, King vs Queen, Luffy vs Kidd, Shanks vs Buggy, Mr 1 vs Mr 2: these are gag rivalries where people just don't get along or friendly compete. You can have a rivalry that is not friendly and not based on gag but is still far from making the two rivals close or equals, as one of the two is much stronger than the other, like Kidd vs Apoo, Zoro vs Killer, Luffy vs Koby.
The supposed rivalry between Zoro and Sanji is a mix of the two aforementioned situations.
A completely different thing are properly said rivalries, like Shanks vs Mihawk, Zoro vs Mihawk, Roger vs Garp, Roger vs Whitebeard, Teach vs Luffy. These are serious strength rivalries where people compete for the pinnacle of strength and/or the same important achievement, and if they fight they would draw of the winner would come out after an extreme diff battle.

It's sad that this certain delusional biased fandom nonetheless continues to try to sustain that if you don't get along then that must be you definitely be equals or almost equals, who cares if anything else, feats, portrayal, benchmarks, paths, goals, roles, shows the opposite...

Zoro is showed, stated and implied by multiple sources to be the second strongest in the Strawhats, Luffy's right hand man and the first mate/vice captain for the rest of the crew.
Sanji is not. Why, you think?

Zoro is a Conqueror and an Advanced Conqueror Haki user, like Luffy.
Sanji is not. Why, you think?

Zoro, as the King of Hell (parallel for Rayleigh as the Dark King) and the future WSS who is basically the King of the Swordsmen, is a king on his own, like Luffy.
Sanji is not. Why, you think?

Zoro, like Luffy, is a Worst Generation Supernova, and was put in the top five Supernovas that received greater hype as the strongest pirates who lead the rising new generation.
Sanji is not. Why, you think?

Zoro needs to fulfill a strength oriented dream that requires him to reach and surpass Top Tiers, like Luffy.
Sanji does not. Why, you think?

Zoro is ofter portrayed as close in strength to Luffy. He is directly stated to have similar strength to Luffy and is shown to fight to a draw with the captain a 1 vs 1 fight that lasts for two chapter and has them use their named move and clash with the intent of prove the other who is the strongest between the two. A fight so serious that they don't want it to be interrupted.
Sanji does not. He is never portrayed as close in strength to Luffy. Why, you think?

Zoro always performs better than Sanji against strongest opponents or similar opponents: just compare Zoro vs Fujitora and Zoro vs Kaido and Big Mom to Sanji vs Doflamingo, or Zoro vs Pica to Sanji vs Vergo. Why, you think?

Zoro is the one who fights to protect Luffy from the very strongest enemies, especially when Luffy is defenseless (vs Kuma and vs Kaido are prime examples of this).
Sanji is not. Why, you think?

Zoro has some Advanced Haki, even two on three, Adv CoC and Adv CoA.
Sanji does not have any Advanced Haki. Why, you think?

Zoro is always in the main events and moments alongside with Luffy. Sanji is not. Why, you think?
Zoro: Oda has him being there for the relevation of Blackbeard with the "is not he, is they", has him in chapter 1000 for the great fight between Supernovas and Yonkos, has him being the only one Strawhat who met both Ace and Sabo.
Sanji: Oda has him not there because he is not relevant enough.

Zoro usually fight enemies strongest enemies than Sanji, enemies that are the counterpart in the opposite crew/group, as the second strongests/number twos/first mates/right hand men.
Sanji usually fights weaker enemies than Zoro, and most of times they are the counterpart in the opposite crew/group, as the third strongests/number three/left hand men.
Why, you think?

Zoro most of times fight someone that Sanji can't defeat (in Alabasta Sanji would lose to Mr 1 who Zoro defeated, in Skypiea Sanji would lose to Ohm who Zoro defeated, in Enies Lobby Sanji would lose or have an extreme diff fight with Kaku who Zoro defeated, in Dressrosa Sanji could not defeat Pica who Zoro defeated, in Wano/Onigashima Sanji would lose to King who Zoro defeated).
Sanji never fought someone that Zoro couldn't defeat (on the opposite, Zoro would make a clown of Sanji's opponents; while, as said, Sanji can't defeat most of the enemies that Zoro defeated in the same arc).
Why, you think?

Zoro always has a fight in every arc.
Sanji does not. Why, you think?

Zoro has many more power ups than Sanji. Why, you think?
Zoro: in Logue Town receives stronger swords than the ones he had before, in Alabasta learns how to cut steel (CoA Haki), in Skypiea learns how to do flying slashes, in Enies Lobby learns Ashura, in Thriller Bark receives Shunsui which is a much stronger sword than the one he had before, then in time skip trains under Mihawk, and in Wano/Onigashima receives Enma and unlocks Advanced Conqueror Haki.
Sanji: in Enies Lobby learns Diable Jambe, then in time skip trains under Emporio Ivankov, in WCI receives the Raid Suit and in Wano/Onigashima unlocks the esoskeleton and learns Ifrit Jambe.

Zoro's main iconic power ups are greater than Sanji's main iconic power ups (Ashura >> Diable Jambe and Advanced Conqueror Haki >> Vinsmoke Esoskeleton and Ifrit Jambe). Not to mention Oda having Zoro training with Mihawk... while at the same time Sanji is training with Emporio Ivankov. Why, you think?

Why does Oda keep making Zoro having parallels and sharing powers and things with Luffy while Sanji has zero parallels with Luffy and barely more than zero with Zoro?I mean... the pattern is clear. Like it or not, it's blatant.
And it should mean something...
That should be more relevant than "they bicker lol"
Make it a thread :suresure:
 
#44
Yeah that Sanji always fighting the 2nd strongest in the crew... oh wait Just Kidding that's not Sanji... That's Zoro

Yeah that Sanji in the cover with all the other #2s in the crew.... oh wait Just Kidding that's not Sanji.... That's Zoro

Yeah that Sanji the 2nd crew member to have CoC and AdvCoC... oh wait Just Kidding that's not Sanji... That's Zoro

Real talk pot calling kettle Bias
What? Don't you know that like Zoro and Luffy, Sanji too has Conqueror Haki, Advanced Armament Haki and Advanced Con Haki? That like Zoro and Luffy, Sanji too is a Supernova, and also has a fighting oriented dream and famed top tiers as his benchmarks?

Because he does...
But only in his fans wet delusional dreams, though.

:milaugh:

Didn't you know that in the Number Twos color spread Oda put also Invisible Sanji next to Zoro and Invisible Queen next to King? There's also Invisible Jozu next to Marco and Invisible Gaban next to Rayleigh.



I mean, this is the true original Number Twos color spread. Wonder why Oda didn't publish this...



:milaugh:
 
#45
Zoro's true Rival was Kuina

Sanji is just an annoying crewmate and friend

They don't actually fight to see who is stronger, they just shit on each other because of their egos, but they are not actually rivals that are pushing each other to greater heights
Zoro and sanji are always tryna 1 up eachother in general aka prove they're better

If zoro being stronger than sanji means they aren't rivals in anyway kuina having a 3000 to 0 win streak with zoro should mean the same
 
#46
There are 7-10 delusional Sanji Stans who no matter what evidence is shown to them will always believe Sanji is stronger than Zoro
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Zoro and sanji are always tryna 1 up eachother in general aka prove they're better

If zoro being stronger than sanji means they aren't rivals in anyway kuina having a 3000 to 0 win streak with zoro should mean the same
Zoro wanted to surpass Kuina and kept training for it, albeit Kuina before her death was far stronger than Zoro

Sanji has never surpassed Zoro in strength, every bit of their "rilvary" has always been a Gag
 
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Indigo

#47
Zoro and sanji are always tryna 1 up eachother in general aka prove they're better

If zoro being stronger than sanji means they aren't rivals in anyway kuina having a 3000 to 0 win streak with zoro should mean the same
Show me a single panel that shows Zoro or Sanji saying they are going to train, to get stronger, because they don't want to be behind the other
 
#50
Zoro and sanji are always tryna 1 up eachother in general aka prove they're better

If zoro being stronger than sanji means they aren't rivals in anyway kuina having a 3000 to 0 win streak with zoro should mean the same
I don't think either of them have ever gained strength because they pushed each other, have they? Compared to Kuina who pushed Zoro further to his dream, Sanji isn't a rival. You could even compare it to Sasuke/Naruto where they clearly displayed insecurities about being weaker than the other or losing to them, this doesn't happen with Zoro and Sanji.
 
#51
Show me a single panel that shows Zoro or Sanji saying they are going to train, to get stronger, because they don't want to be behind the other
You don't need to train to be rivals
They have a brotherly rivalry which is still a type of rivalry
You just made this shit up this have never shown in the manga
Thats like their whole entire dynamic πŸ—Ώ
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I don't think either of them have ever gained strength because they pushed each other, have they? Compared to Kuina who pushed Zoro further to his dream, Sanji isn't a rival. You could even compare it to Sasuke/Naruto where they clearly displayed insecurities about being weaker than the other or losing to them, this doesn't happen with Zoro and Sanji.
So kuina is zoro's rival but zoro wasnt kuina's rival?
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Zoro and sanji are in a constant dick measuring contest with eachother. The only 2 explanations as to why is

1. They got some short rivalry with eachother
Or
2. They sucking eachother off in the back of the sunny
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#53
Yeah that Sanji always fighting the 2nd strongest in the crew... oh wait Just Kidding that's not Sanji... That's Zoro

Yeah that Sanji in the cover with all the other #2s in the crew.... oh wait Just Kidding that's not Sanji.... That's Zoro

Yeah that Sanji the 2nd crew member to have CoC and AdvCoC... oh wait Just Kidding that's not Sanji... That's Zoro

Real talk pot calling kettle Bias
Exactly what I meant. You arent worth discussing this with because this is your response.

Maybe open yourself up to a different perspective and you'll see that there's info you missed or glossed over.

Bye
 
#56
You literally didn't. You spewed a bunch of bullshit and "tried"(key word here) to pass it off as an intelligent response.

Until the time you're ready to respond in a cordial manner... bye
To bring this full circle in YOUR POINT OF VIEW since to you (I was spewing a bunch of BS)

Zoro doesnt fight the #2s in the crew
Zoro doesnt have CoC or AdvCoC nor is the 2nd member of the crew to possess it
Zoro isnt on a coverpage with all the other #2s in the other crews

:okay:
 

Finalbeta

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#59
They don't share a fighting oriented goal

Sanji literally arguably cares about this rivalry and PLs way less than many of his fans do and is usually looking GAGish rather than being built more seriously in a robust way

Wings =/= Equal power level, it can very well implicate they are just the most efficient/strongest in the crew Luffy excluded
 
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