Spoiler One Piece Chapter 973 Spoilers Discussion

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Love the debate and stuff already, kinda remind me the old Oj days with WCi arc, juicy heat discussion again in the spoiler section.
I can already see the burn when the war in Onigashima gonna start soon...
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Everyone will get Ws/Ls right and left, people favourite characters probably gonna shine, if Oda really do what he promise(with the war gonna be greater then MF?), then the forum will burn for sure, can´t wait already for such amazing stuff which expect us for the future.
Zoro fans,Sanji fans,Luffy fans, Strawhat fans, Big mom pirates fans, Beast pirates fans, probably Navy fans, the war cover so much fandoms, it can only been great.
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For somebody who is ignorant on the combat skills the Duke possess and only has seen their 1 time clashes, you sure seem pretty confident in know what they can or can't match.
I'm basing their combat skills on their current portrayal; they could show far more than before, they could also have a hidden Byakugan... or their all out skills are still not on par with WCI Luffy, including his G4th - and said character was trashed by Katakuri.

Wrong, you are saying they can match Kata. Burden of proof lies on you. Go on, prove it.

I haven't seen Ashura Douji in a fleshed out fight over chapters, I'll let you know once that happens, so cant tell you whether he can match bound man or not.
Characters like Doflamingo, Cracker and Katakuri needed special abilities to match Bound Man differently; but all of them couldn't match Bound Man's brute strength.
Jozu, one of the strongest Yonko Commanders physically, couldn't free himself from parasite whilst Bound Man easily broke through it.

Ashura Doji is just another punching bag for Bound Man; and he is even a bigger punching bag for Katakuri.

No clue what you mean by exactly.
I simply meant this: Exactly; and yet, according to your logic, Jack~Katakuri?
The main character needed a mid-battle op PU to defeat Katakuri whilst I don't even think that Jack would be a big threat against Bound Man.

The dukes weren't only compared with Jack to hype them up, they exactly matched Jack for 5 days. Hence they are close to Jack in strength. There is no point to deny this portrayal.
Ashura Doji is truly the strongest after Oden? What's about prime Hyogoro or Denjiro (Kyoshiro)?

It is simple, WCI Luffy is stronger than all of them - and his G4th massively outclasses them in portrayal. And yet, Luffy couldn't deal jack shit against Katakuri, his Bound Man is also known for good speed feats and yet, it couldn't even hit Katakuri once when he regained his FS back. Also, Katakuri's mochi easily immobilized Bound Man which is already an amazing feat by itself.

Yeah, Capone was shitting his pants because of Nekomamushi, and now? The same Bege considered Katakuri to be the biggest threat at the assassination bar Big Mom.

I just don't see how Shutenmaru, the Dukes or Jack are on par with that guy.

You're simply underrating the Dukes.
No, you're simply underrating Katakuri.

How can I answer you with specific details when I, just like yourself and the entire fandom have not see the Dukes, Jack, Ashura in a fleshed out fight?
See? They haven't shown any feats to suggest they can best Katakuri.
And thus, we have to use their portrayal - and they were portrayed to be on par with a YC3 level character.

How strong is their CoA? You dont know
It is likely that Ashura Doji has Ryuo but in terms of hardening, it is rather unlikely that their hardening is on par or even better than Kata's.

How strong is their CoO? You dont know
Their CoO for sure isn't better than Katakuri's future sight lol.

What sword skills do they possess? You dont
How's that relevant against Kata?

The limits of their physical strength? You don't know
The limits of their physical strength are at least less than Bound Man's; and as I said, brute strength is useless if you cannot connect the hit.

How fast are they? You don't
Bound Man was extremely fast and yet, not fast enough for Katakuri.
Even FS Snake Man had problems hitting Katakuri when Katakuri adapted on its fighting style.

Neither do I. Hence we are using bounties.
Using bounties is just wrong, though.
It's like saying Cracker is stronger than Ace because Ace only has 550 million bounty but we can certainly say that this assertion is pure nonsense.
Only have claimed king and queen > Katakuri.
Claiming King > Kata is debatable, claiming Queen > Kata cause of the bounty gap is nothing but nonsense.
 
Love the debate and stuff already, kinda remind me the old Oj days with WCi arc, juicy heat discussion again in the spoiler section.
I can already see the burn when the war in Onigashima gonna start soon...
:steef::steef:

Everyone will get Ws/Ls right and left, people favourite characters probably gonna shine, if Oda really do what he promise(with the war gonna be greater then MF?), then the forum will burn for sure, can´t wait already for such amazing stuff which expect us for the future.
Zoro fans,Sanji fans,Luffy fans, Strawhat fans, Big mom pirates fans, Beast pirates fans, probably Navy fans, the war cover so much fandoms, it can only been great.
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Im not even here to enjoy. I just want to deliver everyone's freshly baked Ls

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Love the debate and stuff already, kinda remind me the old Oj days with WCi arc, juicy heat discussion again in the spoiler section.
I can already see the burn when the war in Onigashima gonna start soon...
:steef::steef:

Everyone will get Ws/Ls right and left, people favourite characters probably gonna shine, if Oda really do what he promise(with the war gonna be greater then MF?), then the forum will burn for sure, can´t wait already for such amazing stuff which expect us for the future.
Zoro fans,Sanji fans,Luffy fans, Strawhat fans, Big mom pirates fans, Beast pirates fans, probably Navy fans, the war cover so much fandoms, it can only been great.
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you got it right....I can say that there will be many temporary L's and breaks going to be hard for the fandom who got L......
 
Lol, what exactly shows that katakuri can survive fighting sengoku, fujitora and tsuru since you wanna use flawed logic
Katakuri sure can survive it; they would just beat his ass really hard just like Jack. Doesn't mean Jack = Kata or Jack > Katakuri since it is nothing different for top tiers if they beat a mid high tier or a high high tier.
Hence nothing about my statements are flawed logic.
 
Zoro went through training with Zoro. Momo is going through character development. He surpose to be a scared fool who turns into a crying dragon until now. This is why Zoro taught him snatch. He going to be beating up people in the war. Get his moment.
Yes Zoro went through training with zoro, he does that with himself all the time. :kappa:

As for Momo, I honestly don't really care much about his character development. I've dislike this snotty brat since the beginning and this whole time, even till now he hasn't shown anything to convince me otherwise.

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stop clowning lol , this community wont bring one more Joker and u will stay as mere clown which is emergency laught stock
laughing stock coz I dont share your opinions.
Clown coz I dont wank zoro/mohawk and dont like your trash behaviours of insulting people behind doors .

I'm still waiting for many Ls I received during Wano.

"Joker" , Same thing you say about Erkan, more,
Whenever You guys simply have nothing to counter, you stare the clown word
Since you lack any argument to state how calamities beat Katakuri, you pulling the clown whatever.

I'd rather be a clown than coward and trash than needs a safe space zone among his other colleagues to insult one or 2 users almost everyday
 
Yeah no bounties never once meant power level, Moria's bounty was higher than Crocodile but that doesn't mean he was stronger. Usopp has a higher bounty than Franky so I guess that means Usopp is stronger than Franky, Perospero has a higher bounty than Snack but that doesn't mean he's stronger than him, oh and Tamago has a higher bounty than Zoro so I guess that means Tamago is stronger than Zoro then. Smoothie doesn't seem to be that much stronger than Cracker? Yet we never seen her actually fight so you can't say that Smoothie is around Cracker's level when we never saw her fighting, funny how you say Queen is so much stronger than Jack yet again we never saw Queen fight. I'm guessing your reasoning is because Jack is a bit afraid of Queen if that's the reason then it's a lame one, until we see Queen in action you can't say he's so much stronger than Jack.
How his he not? Luffy beat Croc in base whereas he needed G2 & G3 both of which are significant PUs to take Moria down. Moreover, Moria has some pretty good hype in that he actually fought and weakened Kaidou's crew several years back. Croc doesn't really have anything on Moria save being a cooler villain. At the very least Moria was significantly stronger than the Croc we got on Alabasta.

Also don't twist my post, I'm not talking about bounties in general, my focus here is antagonists bounties. Throughout the series as the plot progressed we've constantly got stronger antagonists all of which have had higher bounties than those that came before them.

With regards to Queen & Jack. Jack gets disrespected by King & Queen on a reg and was shook when they were scolding him. Moreover, the difference between both's bounties is 300 mil. Even more than the difference between Katakuri & Carcker's bounties fyi.

No the BMP were never shown to be as ruthless as the Beasts Pirates, the BMP don't go around destroying countries and killing civilians for fun like the Beasts Pirates do. There is a reason why the All Stars are known as the Calamities, Jack even stated that he likes to destroy for fun. You can't say the Calamities are stronger than the Sweet Generals without actual evidence and proof, saying their bounties are higher is not actual evidence for them being stronger. Some people want to see actual proof of power level that's why we wait until we see them in action, head-canon speculations and saying their bounties are higher is not actual proof of their power level.
I's funny coz one of the very early scenes of the WCI arc was the Big Mom pirates laying towns to waste to get the ingredients for Lilin's weeding cake^^". If that isn't ruthless enough, How about Oven almost burning a whole in his sister's (Chiffon) or Katakuri killing the chefs for interrupting his donut time, or Lilin killing any and everyone who fails to attend her tea party, or Smoothie juicing that chick very early on in the arc.

I tried to take your post seriously but when I was reading it, you came off as being bias towards the Calamities.
 

Cyrus the Cactus

Mihawk Reigns Supreme
Luffy's next opponent will be Kaido, who is a Yonko. But in order to get to that ''level'' he needed a big fight and Katakuri gave him that. If Zoro fights against King then we can conclude that Kata is way stronger than King.
Luffy fought Wapol before Crocodile. Zoro fought Mr. 1 in Alabasta. Wapol >> Mr. 1?

The only credible bounties are that of captains , you can bounties to debate which captain is above X based on bounties, especially if the person strength is also highlighted.

Underling bounties work only against their peers from the same crew

Queen isn't much stronger than Jack
Both have poor CoO and reaction speed, lack has better endurance and stamina feats
Both also have poor movement speed

Just cause queen is older and scolds Jack doesnt mena he is much stronger


:kayneshrug:using X Bounties against people form different crews doesnt work properly.

Also Katakuri doesnt go killing/torturing people for fun as Jack or queen/king... post pages where kata trashed countries for fun
He fights for his family not for fun in destruction
If only comparing within the crews works, wouldn’t this work against your point? You say Queen is barely stronger than Jack, yet the bounty difference between Jack and Queen is bigger than the bounty gap between Cracker and Katakuri. That means Queen is quite a bit stronger than Jack, right?
 
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