Character Discussion Vol. 102 SBS proves that Zoro will be recognized as the official Vice Captain/First Mate/副船長 (Fuku Senchō) of the Strawhats at some point before EOS

Chrono

Chrono

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Franosuke said:
Zoro was known as the no. 2 in-verse as recently as Dressrosa. It's not senseless to think he was referring to Zoro, even if Sanji's bounty is higher. Either way, you have to make an assumption because there was no direct clarification.
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Yes and that was due to bounty ? Do you not realise that every pirate uses Bounty to powerscale. Maria literally used Sanji's bounty to powerscale the crew.

Barto's only info on Zoro was irrelevant shit like Bounty/SN etc. Barto hs never been inside the crew at that point. He doesnt know the dynamic. How can you expect him or any Non SH to know the actual fucking heiarchy.

Sanji got the higher bounty in Wano. Thus was seen as No 2 by Queen and Maria.

Franosuke said:
How do you know what they know about the SHs? As readers we only have bounties, they clearly have more info within the verse. Otherwise Bartolomeo wouldn't have known about Usopp shooting down the WG flag

And besides that, do you have no comment on Zoro being referred to as the no.2/second-strongest in supplementary material by Oda himself? Why is that not sufficient enough?
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We have not been told what they know. All we know is they know bounties. So we gotta go off of that. Bounties is enough for people to powerscale and make heiarchies. Heck the literal fans of the series do it as well.

When. Oda has just admitted Zoro is no VC. He stated that he had to pick between No 2s. That being plural. And we also know that Zoro wouldve always appeared om this colourspread.

This is literally no different to the potrayal, Sanji got with Bepo and Killer Pre timeskip. Why tf do yall literally love to forget that moment. That literally happened in the cannon...and its worth far more than a colourspread.
 
Colt Buntline

Colt Buntline

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#82
Franosuke said:
Zoro was known as the no. 2 in-verse as recently as Dressrosa. It's not senseless to think he was referring to Zoro, even if Sanji's bounty is higher. Either way, you have to make an assumption because there was no direct clarification.
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If you observe the image well, you will notice that Sanji's wanted poster is over Zoro's wanted poster.
Queen is leafing the wanted posters; The first one is Sanji's wanted poster with the higher bounty, and under Sanji's comes Zoro's wanted poster with a smaller bounty.
It's not just an assumption to say Queen was referring to Sanji as the number 2.
 
Franosuke

Franosuke

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Chrono said:
Yes and that was due to bounty ? Do you not realise that every pirate uses Bounty to powerscale. Maria literally used Sanji's bounty to powerscale the crew.

Barto's only info on Zoro was irrelevant shit like Bounty/SN etc. Barto hs never been inside the crew at that point. He doesnt know the dynamic. How can you expect him or any Non SH to know the actual fucking heiarchy.

Sanji got the higher bounty in Wano. Thus was seen as No 2 by Queen and Maria.



We have not been told what they know. All we know is they know bounties. So we gotta go off of that. Bounties is enough for people to powerscale and make heiarchies. Heck the literal fans of the series do it as well.

When. Oda has just admitted Zoro is no VC. He stated that he had to pick between No 2s. That being plural. And we also know that Zoro wouldve always appeared om this colourspread.

This is literally no different to the potrayal, Sanji got with Bepo and Killer Pre timeskip. Why tf do yall literally love to forget that moment. That literally happened in the cannon...and its worth far more than a colourspread.
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My ultimate point is that Oda has specifically included specific statements in the manga that refer to Zoro as the First Mate/RHM/Vice Captain, while when in the scarce case that it has been Sanji, he is ONLY referred to as having the second-highest bounty. There is a significant difference there.

Clearly "plural" no. 2's refer to the several no. 2's across the various groups he chose from, not the various no. 2's from the same crew...that doesn't make any sense

Oml, the mental gymnastics you have to do to dance around the fact that Zoro is canonically the 2nd-strongest crew member
 
ConquistadoR

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
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ZenZu said:
He may get the title publicly but it won't be accepted by the strawhats, namely Sanji. It'll lead to more gags where Zoro mocks Sanji for having authority over him (but in reality he doesn't), Luffy himself won't name Zoro the VC and that's what matters. That's if it even happens at this point.

So you're right in that he may be recognized as the VC, but within the crew he wouldn't be officially recognized as one.
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Why do you think so though? Ofcourse I'm talking about a moment where Luffy recognizes Zoro as his First Mate. Zoro has already led the Strawhats in the absence of Luffy, showing his authority over the rest in the absence of Luffy (Oar's fight and the path to Enies Lobby when Luffy went off on his own off the top of my mind). Doesn't that already counter your point regarding authority, regardless of the gags that would ensue?

Also, I think you slightly underestimate how much Oda has Zoro fit into the Rayleigh/Vice Captain role. He even went on to give Zoro a "King" Epithet mirroring Rayleigh's, which is probably gonna stick for the rest of the series. The verbiage that Bartolomeo uses when he describes Zoro - as Luffy (i,e the Pirate King's) Right Hand and the First Mate of the Strawhats - is eerily similar to how Rayleigh was introduced as the Pirate King's Right Hand and the First Mate of the Roger Pirates; almost to a 1-to-1 extent. I'd argue that it's strong, very strong foreshadowing for what's to come. One of those instances, where it's too good to be a mere coincidence, imo atleast.
 
Malio

Malio

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Great thread. Zoro is the RHM & VC (in all but name), and surprise surprise the only ones in their feelings are nonce boys. It's a shame they don't project their so called favs intelligence they claim he has
 
Reborn

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
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#89
I don't think Luffy needs to recognize Zoro as VC.

I doubt oda will ever do that. The bond between SHs is like family and friends so Oda will officially keep it like this



However, Status in one piece world is often given by people. Even if Luffy doesn't declare others will have different way to see SH crew.


So, Luffy doesn't need to explicitly state that Zoro is VC.


Oda will do that via others and he already did that - No SH was perceived as Vice Captain by others (Barto) except Zoro.

Strength of no SH except Zoro ever astonished others to such extent that they questioned why zoro isn't the captain.


Thats oda way to hint us that Zoro is unofficially seen as VC and his strength though below Luffy but is close to Luffy.
 
Malio

Malio

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Let's see now....

  • Zoro won't even see Kaido
  • Zoro won't get CoC
  • Zoro won't be on the Roof
  • Zoro won't fight Kaido
  • Zoro won't reopen the wound or make a new one
  • Zoro won't get AdCoC
  • Zoro won't fight anyone after he got bones broken
  • Zoro won't tame Enma
  • Zoro won't fight anyone after King
  • ZKK won't happen
  • Zoro won't Blacken Enma in Wano
  • Zoro won't surpass Oden in Wano
  • Zoro won't be the Vice Captain ever (new edition)

List keeps on getting bigger and dumber :steef:
 
hayze moya

hayze moya

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#93
B-but... Strawhats doesn't have vice captain role...
B-but... Luffy never called Zoro his vice captain...
B-but... Sanji and Zoro are portrayed as equals...
B-but... Oda called them "wings"...
:ronalugh::ronalugh:
 
Colt Buntline

Colt Buntline

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Chrono said:
This is literally no different to the potrayal, Sanji got with Bepo and Killer Pre timeskip. Why tf do yall literally love to forget that moment. That literally happened in the cannon...and its worth far more than a colourspread.
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Damn, this is true indeed...

Kid's Right-hand man appears to fight for his captain:


Law's Right-hand man appears to fight for his captain:


Luffy's Right-hand man appears to fight for his captain:



And this is in fact worth a lot more than some colourspread, and even than anything said by Oda in a SBS, which are not really part of the actual story/canon itself.
 
Rootbeer

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Mummykun said:
Damn, this is true indeed...

Kid's Right-hand man appears to fight for his captain:


Law's Right-hand man appears to fight for his captain:


Luffy's Right-hand man appears to fight for his captain:



And this is in fact worth a lot more than some colourspread, and even than anything said by Oda in a SBS, which are not really part of the actual story/canon itself.
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Cherry Picked, Kid spaced out while Law called Bepo then everyone joined the fray, the special moment was only with Kid and Killer..
 
Malio

Malio

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#97
Right Hand Man & Vice Captain protecting his Captain, on his introduction.
Won't ever catch Zoro knocking Luffy unconscious and breaking his tooth in enemy territory though :cheers:


 
Colt Buntline

Colt Buntline

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Rootbeer said:
Cherry Picked, Kid spaced out while Law called Bepo then everyone joined the fray, the special moment was only with Kid and Killer..
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No, it's not cherry picked.
Read it in volume 52 and you'll see how all the three are doing the same thing appearing to fight for their captains, thus being portrayed as the respective right-hand man of each captain.

It would be just cherry picking if those images weren't taken from the same scene, but they are really occurring in the same scene in the manga.

All the three are appearing to fight for their captain in exactly the same way; Instead of leaving it for the captain to fight the marine approaching, each right-hand man intercedes doing the job himself, so that the captain doesn't need to waste his energy on it.

It's dishonest to say I'm cherry picking even though the three are clearly being portrayed having the same role in the situation.
 
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