Character Discussion Vol. 102 SBS proves that Zoro will be recognized as the official Vice Captain/First Mate/副船長 (Fuku Senchō) of the Strawhats at some point before EOS

I don't lie my good sir, its over 10 times its mentioned pre-ts alone.


I don't want to take away from Sanji but what @Reborn stated isn't proven incorrect.

Absalom statement is similar to that of Kaku's statement about Sanji as well.


Stephen Translation :
Kaku: {That was a very heavy kick...!! He almost broke the "Tekkai."}
Blueno!! Be careful!! He may not have a bounty,
but I think he's one of their principal fighters!!

Compared comments like this towards Zoro and as I mentioned Zoro gets comments like this over 10 times pre-ts
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Compared comments like this towards Zoro and as I mentioned Zoro gets comments like this over 10 times pre-ts
Yes for Zoro external people think "how he's not the captain/he must be the captain"

For Sanji they think "he must be one of the main fighters even though he doesn't have a bounty "

It's clear that the two things are different, the comparisons brought up for Zoro's case are always more astonishing

Hence the hierarchy is Luffy>Zoro>Sanji.
No >> and no >= at any side (although Zoro is a little bit unbalanced towards Luffy's direction)
 
Give up, this isn't even about what runs around Zoro, but Sanji.

Sanji shares no lame ass parallels with Gaban and anyone else, he isn't a character that exist to replace another existing one to the point they even look extremely similar.

Sanji is unparalled, theres only one Sanji out there, simple as that.

What had to be established has already been established after years of proper build up throughout 1022 chapters


Remember when you guys loved to brag so much about Sanji not being an "amazing super strong and relevant character Supernova/Worst Generation member"

Guess what? The strongest ones can barely compete with current Sanji LoL, some weren't even close to compete with him to begin with. It reached a point where being a Supernova makes you look bad, by being placed in the same group as Apoo and Drake for example.

Bartolomeo is actually the caricature of the Zorotards, Oda is tricking you all and you buy it.

Then there is always the supposed candidates to replace Sanji according to Ztards, obviously

"B-But only the strong have CoC" "Yamato replaces Sanji 100% confirmed" "Sanji will never get CoC so he is replaced" "Jinbeis much stronger than Sanji"

So Oda just negged all these headcanons one after the other once for all, and even brought these matters to the SBS more than once, but you guys still falling for it every single time
:suresure:

This is not about Zoro and Luffy's friendship, thats one thing, just like it has nothing to do with Sanji and Luffy's friendship, thats another thing
 
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We need to confirm the fact: that if we want to set up a vice captain, Zoro is the best candidate, but this does not mean that he is a vice captain, because now his title is combatant. These are two different concepts
 

Not exactly a powerlevel thread but here goes nothing. ^^

So the recent reveal in the SBS section of Volume 102 that Zoro is not yet the First Mate/Vice Captain of the crew has the fandom in splits, with some arguing that the Strawhats will never have a First Mate/Vice Captain role since that indirectly implies that he has authority over Sanji, the other Wing of the Pirate King, and with some even arguing that the role is for Usopp as seen in Oda's early drafts.

This thread is to provide some context behind the terms that are being thrown around (Right Hand Man, Vice Captain, First Mate) and to demonstrate using the manga that Zoro will indeed be recognized as the First Mate of the Strawhat Pirates.

Context and clearing the mess with the translations:

副船長 = Fuku Senchō = Vice Captain. However the official translation choses to refer to this term as "First Mate" as shown in the case of Silvers Rayleigh, even though it's a term primarily used to refer to the Vice Captain.

Very clearly, Oda thinks that the First Mate/Vice Captain and Right Hand Man are two different terms. This was proven beyond doubt when Oda introduced Rayleigh as "海賊王の右腕" (Kaizoku-Ō no Migiude / Right Hand Man of the Pirate King) and then once again refers to him as the "副船長" (Fuku Senchō / Vice Captain/First Mate) of the Roger Pirates.

Hence, Vice Captain/First Mate/副船長 (fuku senchō), Right Hand Man and the Second Strongest are three different titles and who has them depends completely on the crew and it's dynamics.

- In some crews, the same person shares all the three titles (Rayleigh in the Roger Pirates/Beckmann in the Red Hair Pirates).
- In some crews, there exists RHMs who are the second strongest but they aren't recognized as the official First Mate/Vice Captain even though they carry out those duties (Marco in the WBP/King in the Beast Pirates).
- In some crews, the second strongest aren't even given the title of RHMs, let alone recognized as the First Mate/Vice Captain (Katakuri in the BMP).

Now let's discuss Silvers Rayleigh's case.

Silvers Rayleigh, the "Fuku-Senchō" of the Roger Pirates:

Oda clearly establishes that Rayleigh is the First Mate of the Roger Pirates during his introduction itself.


He even goes on to reiterate that with making Rayleigh himself describe his position/role on the crew.


What does this mean for Roronoa Zoro?

The Strawhats share multiple parallels with the Roger Pirates - with Luffy paralleling Roger, Zoro paralleling Rayleigh, Sanji paralelling Gaban quite heavily.

Some of the parallels between Rayleigh and Zoro are:

1) They are both heavy drinkers.
2) They both possess scars on their eyes.
3) They both possess Haoshoku Haki and are blessed by the heavens.
4) Their titles/epithets reflect their drive to stand above others, with Rayleigh being referred to as "冥王" (Mei-Ou / the Dark King) and Zoro being referred to as "閻王" (En-Ou / the King of Hell) with both the titles only differing in a single Kanji.
5) They are both swordsmen.
6) They are/will become legends of their own right; with Monkey D. Garp referring to Rayleigh as a "legend" while putting him on the same pedestal as Yonkou Whitebeard and Zoro promising to become so strong as the future World's Strongest Swordsman that his name would reach the heavens.

And as @comrade highlighted in his thread about Zoro already shouldering much of the responsibilities that comes with being a Vice Captain in his thread, it is all but guaranteed that Zoro will be recognized as the "副船長" (Fuku Senchō / Vice Captain/First Mate) of the Strawhat Pirates sometime before the series ends, just like how his parallel Rayleigh was recognized. Infact, the new SBS coming out and reiterating that Zoro is not yet recognized as the First Mate of the Strawhats only reinforces that the title is a big deal in Oda's mind and it would be a future character moment for Zoro when he is finally recognized.

And this moment from Bartolomeo in chapter 723 can be considered as solid forshadowing for the same as well. Notice the use of the exact same verbage as in the case with Rayleigh.


Doesn't the "Wings of the Pirate King" concept contradict one Wing having authority over the other:

We have seen many crews in the series share the "Wings of their Captain" concept when it comes to their #2s and #3s , some examples being the King-Queen pair in the Beast Pirates, Marco-Jozu pair in the Whitebeard Pirates, possibly Shiryu-Laffitte pair in the Blackbeard Pirates and most importantly, the Rayleigh-Gaban pair in the Roger Pirates.



However, Oda still chose to classify Silvers Rayleigh as the First Mate or Vice Captain of the Roger Pirates, without any discrepancies. Given how Zoro and Sanji parallel this duo, I doubt that this would be a valid reason to not classify Roronoa Zoro as the First Mate or Vice Captain of the Strawhat Pirates.

I rest my case. Do post your thoughts and arguments.

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Perfectly summed up. :finally:

A perfect sig as well, the parallels are on point. :finally:
 

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Zoro Worshipper
The high astonishing superlative all encompassing Grandmaster would have been ready to conquer the whole Galaxy as an actual captain of the SHs. VC is the minimum award. :josad:
 
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