Elden Ring
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The only Crystalian's I never went back to was At Miquella's Haligtree by that chest the 3 grouped together.
But then again there were the ones up by Ranni's place or whatever, the end of the quest.
I digress, I remember the small room with 3 of them. Uhhgg Such a fucking pain.
I ended up using Troll's Hammer IIRC, it helped wonders. and I'm not even a Strength build.
But then again there were the ones up by Ranni's place or whatever, the end of the quest.
I digress, I remember the small room with 3 of them. Uhhgg Such a fucking pain.
I ended up using Troll's Hammer IIRC, it helped wonders. and I'm not even a Strength build.
yes but RoB's damage on a whole is lower so even if use talisman damage would still be lower
yeah I killed the 3 crystallian with the spiked gloves .... but there is actually 2 crystallians that hitting doesnt work on them at all, I don't know if it was a bug or something but I used all kind of hammers, glove or sword and nothing worked except backstabbing
they are located just after you get out of alubarna village and trying to go to another island next to it
yeah I killed the 3 crystallian with the spiked gloves .... but there is actually 2 crystallians that hitting doesnt work on them at all, I don't know if it was a bug or something but I used all kind of hammers, glove or sword and nothing worked except backstabbing
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they are located just after you get out of alubarna village and trying to go to another island next to it
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So I'm in my New Game+ and I'm trying to just using my Rotten Greataxe with Zamor Bracelet's and Legwraps, and maybe sometimes Fell Omen Cloak.
Still got my HoM and Poison Nagakiba weapons and my Moghwyn's Sacred Spear thou just incase. It's going fine I think, I used to use Lion's Claw with the Ax but atm using Flames of Redmane.
Still got my HoM and Poison Nagakiba weapons and my Moghwyn's Sacred Spear thou just incase. It's going fine I think, I used to use Lion's Claw with the Ax but atm using Flames of Redmane.
I am using 2 Rapiers (one Rogier Magician gives you and the other you probably already have)+ Thunder Ash of War (+ I can add lightning enhancement Talisman + I can add Lightning Physick talisman + I can add increased attack Enchantment) against Bosses I had just summoned my mimic and keep Lightning the Boss and most of them would dies easily (even Malenia if my Mimic hadn't died first haha.....I actually beat her only by beating the first form without assistance of mimic)
huh ? whats so powerhouse about it ? I got my 2nd RoB but its there with his friend resting ...
I finished the game this time using Milenia and DragonScaled swords
but the good thing is I now got a pair of Scaled Dagger ... they look good, upgraded them to +9
and no there was nothing else in it, just puts Marika's head on her body and then character is shown on one of thrones that Margit showef and is called age of fracture begins
its its like playing another normal game a little easier
Radahn didnt have time to become a fallingstar ( actually first time I defeated him also wasnt able to go supernova since I was around lvl 110 )
Rennala just summoned her first summon and she was already dead
the all knowing couldnt even lift a finger, that was so funny
I finished the game this time using Milenia and DragonScaled swords
but the good thing is I now got a pair of Scaled Dagger ... they look good, upgraded them to +9
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and no there was nothing else in it, just puts Marika's head on her body and then character is shown on one of thrones that Margit showef and is called age of fracture begins
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its its like playing another normal game a little easier
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Radahn didnt have time to become a fallingstar ( actually first time I defeated him also wasnt able to go supernova since I was around lvl 110 )
Rennala just summoned her first summon and she was already dead
the all knowing couldnt even lift a finger, that was so funny
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@AdmiralKinyagi tagging you here as thread posting is easier lol.
So when I say “undodgeable”, I mean the attacks happen so quickly that unless you are literally dodging the exact instant you begin to see him move, you will be taking damage. You have to factor in human reaction time, IE just because I see an enemy move doesn’t mean I want to automatically instant-dodge, this is called panic-rolling which is heavily punished in Elden Ring by many bosses and enemies.
Clergymen incentivizes you to panic roll with swipe attacks so fast that you must dodge them instantly otherwise you take damage, again this is a behavior that the rest of the game teaches you not to do.
His projectile attacks home-in on you at ridiculous angles, breaking the sense of the game’s combat being immersive and moreso giving off the sense that Clergymen is just trying to be hard for the sake of being hard, not for the sake of being good or fun. The boulders he throws will change trajectory in midair even though it makes no logical sense for thrown boulders to do that. The rock shard shotgun toss thing will always fly straight at your face regardless of when the Clergymen releases them from his hand, even when it makes zero physical sense for that to happen.
Follow up this nonsense with the fact that the Clergymen never. Stops. Attacking. And you’re left with a boring ugly boss who is constantly spamming nuisance attacks at you without end.
At least with all of the bullshit present with Malenia, she actually stops to dramatically walk around, letting you actually assess the situation and plan accordingly. The Clergymen is literally nonstop aggression, and pretty much all of his attacks are horseshit for a gigachad colossal sword used like myself as most colossal swords are simply too slow to hit him before he can damage you afterwards. Again with Malenia, she will actually stagger much of the time so you can cleanly punish her without her being guaranteed to punish you afterwards.
Maliketh himself, if he were a standalone boss, I’d put him in the B tier for bosses, but Clergymen is a quadruple F- so Maliketh is dragged down as well.
Malenia is bullshit but Maliketh is a new level of awful for Fromsoft. I subscribed to Joseph Anderson solely because he mentioned that Maliketh was so awful he didn’t want to go back and collect footage of him. Obviously experiences in these games vary greatly, but I have come across others online who similarly thought that Maliketh was abysmal.
Idk how you fought Placidusax headon lol. The optimal strategy is to attack his ass and tail given all of the punishing moves he has for you fighting him headon, and the lack of rear punishing moves he has in addition to the fact that his tail takes just as much damage as any other part of his body.
Again Midir incentivizes the player attack his head since he takes extra damage there and leaves several openings where you can attack his head. With Placidusax, there is no incentive to fight him head on, and he struggles to defend his rear, making this the optimal strategy.
And killing a dragon by smacking his ass for 5 minutes is just lame as hell lol.
So when I say “undodgeable”, I mean the attacks happen so quickly that unless you are literally dodging the exact instant you begin to see him move, you will be taking damage. You have to factor in human reaction time, IE just because I see an enemy move doesn’t mean I want to automatically instant-dodge, this is called panic-rolling which is heavily punished in Elden Ring by many bosses and enemies.
Clergymen incentivizes you to panic roll with swipe attacks so fast that you must dodge them instantly otherwise you take damage, again this is a behavior that the rest of the game teaches you not to do.
His projectile attacks home-in on you at ridiculous angles, breaking the sense of the game’s combat being immersive and moreso giving off the sense that Clergymen is just trying to be hard for the sake of being hard, not for the sake of being good or fun. The boulders he throws will change trajectory in midair even though it makes no logical sense for thrown boulders to do that. The rock shard shotgun toss thing will always fly straight at your face regardless of when the Clergymen releases them from his hand, even when it makes zero physical sense for that to happen.
Follow up this nonsense with the fact that the Clergymen never. Stops. Attacking. And you’re left with a boring ugly boss who is constantly spamming nuisance attacks at you without end.
At least with all of the bullshit present with Malenia, she actually stops to dramatically walk around, letting you actually assess the situation and plan accordingly. The Clergymen is literally nonstop aggression, and pretty much all of his attacks are horseshit for a gigachad colossal sword used like myself as most colossal swords are simply too slow to hit him before he can damage you afterwards. Again with Malenia, she will actually stagger much of the time so you can cleanly punish her without her being guaranteed to punish you afterwards.
Maliketh himself, if he were a standalone boss, I’d put him in the B tier for bosses, but Clergymen is a quadruple F- so Maliketh is dragged down as well.
Malenia is bullshit but Maliketh is a new level of awful for Fromsoft. I subscribed to Joseph Anderson solely because he mentioned that Maliketh was so awful he didn’t want to go back and collect footage of him. Obviously experiences in these games vary greatly, but I have come across others online who similarly thought that Maliketh was abysmal.
Idk how you fought Placidusax headon lol. The optimal strategy is to attack his ass and tail given all of the punishing moves he has for you fighting him headon, and the lack of rear punishing moves he has in addition to the fact that his tail takes just as much damage as any other part of his body.
Again Midir incentivizes the player attack his head since he takes extra damage there and leaves several openings where you can attack his head. With Placidusax, there is no incentive to fight him head on, and he struggles to defend his rear, making this the optimal strategy.
And killing a dragon by smacking his ass for 5 minutes is just lame as hell lol.
I understand what undodgeable means and I’m using the Rune Level 1 definition of less than 20 frames on start-up. And again I’m telling you that there’s a lot of misinformation in this regard. Also, dude I’ve beat every FromSoft game other than DeS multiple times and have done level 1 plays through of DS3 and Elden as well as blood level 4 run of Bloodborne. I know what panick rolling is lol.
The fight incentivizes positioning. If you run to his left hip you can wail on him even while he’s attacking. Morgott never stops attacking too (it’s actually WORSE for Morgott because he has fewer recovery frames) but I think he needs to be buffed because players seem to be killing him too easily w/o grasping the importance of positioning.
Here’s an example of level 1 heavy weapon user doing what I’m talking about:
But I don’t understand how you were able to get to his tail with the nonstop teleport spam post 70% health. I fought him head on because again like Twin Princes he’s designed to keep you in front of him with teleports if you’re locked on.
Also @Fleet Admiral Lee Hung there’s some genuinely very incorrect statements about specifically Godfrey and Mohg, Lord of Blood in Joseph’s video that I don’t really know where he’s getting.
I pointed out his claim that Godfrey’s health is low compared to endgame bosses is false (you can literally just google the HP of the bosses to see that).
He also said that Mohg’s claw slash is undodgeable, which is false, you just roll the explosion instead of the slash. It’s like that fire trail Morgott leaves where the explosion is what gets you.
The fight incentivizes positioning. If you run to his left hip you can wail on him even while he’s attacking. Morgott never stops attacking too (it’s actually WORSE for Morgott because he has fewer recovery frames) but I think he needs to be buffed because players seem to be killing him too easily w/o grasping the importance of positioning.
Here’s an example of level 1 heavy weapon user doing what I’m talking about:
But I don’t understand how you were able to get to his tail with the nonstop teleport spam post 70% health. I fought him head on because again like Twin Princes he’s designed to keep you in front of him with teleports if you’re locked on.
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Also @Fleet Admiral Lee Hung there’s some genuinely very incorrect statements about specifically Godfrey and Mohg, Lord of Blood in Joseph’s video that I don’t really know where he’s getting.
I pointed out his claim that Godfrey’s health is low compared to endgame bosses is false (you can literally just google the HP of the bosses to see that).
He also said that Mohg’s claw slash is undodgeable, which is false, you just roll the explosion instead of the slash. It’s like that fire trail Morgott leaves where the explosion is what gets you.
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Didn’t intend to patronize you lol. Glad we’re on the same page.
Morgott will stop attacking you to drama-walk. He did for me at least.
Morgott is also an aesthetically incredible boss that you fight at a climactic point in the story, with many delayed attacks that reward skillfully observing him and making sure you act with precision and precise timing.
Clergymen is an ugly rage-spamfest who is unfun to fight and serves to annoy you until round 2 where Maliketh will one shot you constantly. Even in the video you posted, Clergymen literally did not stop attacking for his entire lifespan lol.
My argument is not that Maliketh/Clergymen have no openings, so I won’t argue that. The guy in the video also fought Maliketh with a faster weapon than an ultra-Chad sword.
I don’t appreciate fans who make arguments like “well actually this boss is extremely easy if you equip Rivers of Blood and exploit the AI by forcing this boss into a corner,” like bro I play this game to have fun, having fun for me doesn’t mean I equip the most broken weapon in the game and cheese enemies to death lol. I know you aren’t saying this, I’m just saying myself. I’m not using the Starscourge Greatswords because they are optimal, I’m using them because they are fucking awesome lol. Imo.
He probably only teleported twice in phase 2 for me, otherwise Placidusax post 70% health waa exactly the same as phase 1 for me.
Morgott will stop attacking you to drama-walk. He did for me at least.
Morgott is also an aesthetically incredible boss that you fight at a climactic point in the story, with many delayed attacks that reward skillfully observing him and making sure you act with precision and precise timing.
Clergymen is an ugly rage-spamfest who is unfun to fight and serves to annoy you until round 2 where Maliketh will one shot you constantly. Even in the video you posted, Clergymen literally did not stop attacking for his entire lifespan lol.
My argument is not that Maliketh/Clergymen have no openings, so I won’t argue that. The guy in the video also fought Maliketh with a faster weapon than an ultra-Chad sword.
I don’t appreciate fans who make arguments like “well actually this boss is extremely easy if you equip Rivers of Blood and exploit the AI by forcing this boss into a corner,” like bro I play this game to have fun, having fun for me doesn’t mean I equip the most broken weapon in the game and cheese enemies to death lol. I know you aren’t saying this, I’m just saying myself. I’m not using the Starscourge Greatswords because they are optimal, I’m using them because they are fucking awesome lol. Imo.
He probably only teleported twice in phase 2 for me, otherwise Placidusax post 70% health waa exactly the same as phase 1 for me.
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The guy in the video is using the golden halberd, which isn’t a cheesy weapon it’s a slow moving strength weapon. My argument wasn’t that’s it’s doable so it’s okay (I understand that’s a strawman), my argument was that if you run over to clergyman’s left hip you can attack him while he attacks and it makes him way easier. That’s not cheese that’s positioning, which is rewarded *a lot more* in Elden than dodging at the right time.
It must be related to lock on then because I haven’t had a fight with less than like 7 teleports and 2 moves when he flies into the air.
Morgott actually has the fewest recovery frames out of every boss in the game. He can extend combos even longer than Malenia and unlike her he can’t actually be staggered out of it.
But he also has MUCH lower damage than the post-Leyndell stuff so there’s a good chance you traded with him more than you think.
It must be related to lock on then because I haven’t had a fight with less than like 7 teleports and 2 moves when he flies into the air.
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Morgott actually has the fewest recovery frames out of every boss in the game. He can extend combos even longer than Malenia and unlike her he can’t actually be staggered out of it.
But he also has MUCH lower damage than the post-Leyndell stuff so there’s a good chance you traded with him more than you think.
Halberds are still a relatively quick strength weapon compared to colossal swords, larger hammers, axes, etc.
And is it fun positioning though? Like attacking his left knee for me is not fun at all. At least with the Fire Giant, the left ankle was a legitimate weak point on the Giant and he eventually tears his leg off after you attack it enough. For Clergymen, his left knee is optimal solely because it’s the place on his body you can most safely attack by avoiding his literal nonstop offense.
Fire Giant’s left ankle feels like a legitimate boss mechanic, Clergymen’s left knee feels like an oversight in moveset design imo.
Joseph’s videos have never been flawless (I remember him stating a horror game “was not scary” which is subjective af), but I did appreciate his Maliketh comment and heavily agreed with much of what he said about Elden Ring’s late game.
And is it fun positioning though? Like attacking his left knee for me is not fun at all. At least with the Fire Giant, the left ankle was a legitimate weak point on the Giant and he eventually tears his leg off after you attack it enough. For Clergymen, his left knee is optimal solely because it’s the place on his body you can most safely attack by avoiding his literal nonstop offense.
Fire Giant’s left ankle feels like a legitimate boss mechanic, Clergymen’s left knee feels like an oversight in moveset design imo.
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Joseph’s videos have never been flawless (I remember him stating a horror game “was not scary” which is subjective af), but I did appreciate his Maliketh comment and heavily agreed with much of what he said about Elden Ring’s late game.
I disagree. I actually think the way he backs off to get away from you when you’re at his hip is an indication that it’s where to attack. Also, in general with aggressive beast bosses the strat is to “smack dat ass” Bloodborne style, so I feel like it’s almost definitely intended.
And with Maliketh too there’s the blasphemous claw item you can find in Farum which you can equip with your consumables and flasks that parries Maliketh whenever his sword turns gold. That’s not build specific.
Again, I feel like the “badness” of this fight is being blown way of proportion (as are most of the endgame fights). This feels the same to as when people were calling Radahn worse than the Bed of Chaos. No boss in Elden Ring is worse than the Bed of Chaos. It’s going to take more than having unbalanced mechanics or ganks to be that bad lmao
And @Fleet Admiral Lee Hung if we’re allowed to bring up YouTubers who support our takes I know that Demodcracy who made this video:
Actually has Maliketh in his top 5 bosses.
And with Maliketh too there’s the blasphemous claw item you can find in Farum which you can equip with your consumables and flasks that parries Maliketh whenever his sword turns gold. That’s not build specific.
Again, I feel like the “badness” of this fight is being blown way of proportion (as are most of the endgame fights). This feels the same to as when people were calling Radahn worse than the Bed of Chaos. No boss in Elden Ring is worse than the Bed of Chaos. It’s going to take more than having unbalanced mechanics or ganks to be that bad lmao
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And @Fleet Admiral Lee Hung if we’re allowed to bring up YouTubers who support our takes I know that Demodcracy who made this video:
Actually has Maliketh in his top 5 bosses.
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