Capitalism vs Communism
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It has never worked ffs ...
The definition as per Marx is: "social organization in which all property is owned by the community and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs."
That's where the utopia ends, because "each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs" never works and will never work.
There will always be a lot of guys exploiting the system, a lot of guys being fed up with the system (thinking its unfair and they deserve more) and those trying to use that system to control others and turn it into a dictatorship, which basically always happens in the end.
The definition as per Marx is: "social organization in which all property is owned by the community and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs."
That's where the utopia ends, because "each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs" never works and will never work.
There will always be a lot of guys exploiting the system, a lot of guys being fed up with the system (thinking its unfair and they deserve more) and those trying to use that system to control others and turn it into a dictatorship, which basically always happens in the end.
Communist parties leads to totalitarianism, political repression, restrictions of human rights, poor economic performance and dictatorships.
Communism/dictatorships always creates a monopoly economy and will fuck it consumers/population in the ass literally, this is why most communist countries failled, because the population revolted and fucked their leaders up.
China is the biggest communist country in the world, and its rulled in a dictatorships regime, the population is controlled and fucked in ass all the time, there is no freedom of speech.
If you were a chinese citizen you would have never be able to talk with us unless you used a vpn or some shit, and if you say something wrong about your leaders, than good luck with your life in the rehabilitation camps+bonus your relatives will make a visit also there.
It is 2022 and folks are telling us that this is ok, lmfao
Communism/dictatorships always creates a monopoly economy and will fuck it consumers/population in the ass literally, this is why most communist countries failled, because the population revolted and fucked their leaders up.
China is the biggest communist country in the world, and its rulled in a dictatorships regime, the population is controlled and fucked in ass all the time, there is no freedom of speech.
If you were a chinese citizen you would have never be able to talk with us unless you used a vpn or some shit, and if you say something wrong about your leaders, than good luck with your life in the rehabilitation camps+bonus your relatives will make a visit also there.
It is 2022 and folks are telling us that this is ok, lmfao
IF we talk about extremes, both are toxic. The only usefull solution is a mix of both. Western nations try to combine both in some way, as example germany, where you have a public health system, general insurance for the case of unemployment, public schools / universities etc. pp.. On the other side, you have a strong capitalism. This capitalsm is escalating with the inflation right now, so the mix isnt perfect and i would tend to a bit more "communism" in thas case, where you keep hospitals, public transport, basic telecommunication-offering in the hand of the nation, but not exclusively.
So, both, capitalism and communism have their problematic parts, to find the perfect mix is the solution.
So, both, capitalism and communism have their problematic parts, to find the perfect mix is the solution.
Yes, you just defined communism. Where do you see in that definition that it is "dictatorship"? That definition you provided is another way of saying "stated owned of production".
Anything can lead to "totalitarianism" dude. You guys claim America is a capitalist society and yet Donald Trump just attempted a failed coup d'etat. Just nitpicking communism and saying "it can lead to totalitarianism" is quite frankly propaganda.
Capitalism also creates monopoly economy.
China is not a communist country. It is an authoritarian society with a mixture of both capitalism and communism. The reason the Chinese citizens internet are censored is because China is an AUTHORITARIAN society not a communist society. Saying China is communism is like comparing the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea to democracy because it has "democracy" as its name lol. It is not a communist society.
Socialism has a specific definition. Communism has a specific definition.
Socialism is WORKER's control of production.
Communism is STATE control of production.
Capitalism is PRIVATE control of production.
All three are distinctively different forms.
- Guess what, "all property is owned by the community", water supply are owned by the community where "each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs".
- Guess what, "all property is owned by the community", public schools are owned by the community.
- Guess what, "all property is owned by the community", public roads are owned by the community.
- etc.
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Communist parties leads to totalitarianism, political repression, restrictions of human rights, poor economic performance and dictatorships.
Communism/dictatorships always creates a monopoly economy and will fuck it consumers/population in the ass literally, this is why most communist countries failled, because the population revolted and fucked their leaders up.
China is the biggest communist country in the world, and its rulled in a dictatorships regime, the population is controlled and fucked in ass all the time, there is no freedom of speech.
If you were a chinese citizen you would have never be able to talk with us unless you used a vpn or some shit, and if you say something wrong about your leaders, than good luck with your life in the rehabilitation camps+bonus your relatives will make a visit also there.
It is 2022 and folks are telling us that this is ok, lmfao
Communism/dictatorships always creates a monopoly economy and will fuck it consumers/population in the ass literally, this is why most communist countries failled, because the population revolted and fucked their leaders up.
China is the biggest communist country in the world, and its rulled in a dictatorships regime, the population is controlled and fucked in ass all the time, there is no freedom of speech.
If you were a chinese citizen you would have never be able to talk with us unless you used a vpn or some shit, and if you say something wrong about your leaders, than good luck with your life in the rehabilitation camps+bonus your relatives will make a visit also there.
It is 2022 and folks are telling us that this is ok, lmfao
Capitalism also creates monopoly economy.
China is not a communist country. It is an authoritarian society with a mixture of both capitalism and communism. The reason the Chinese citizens internet are censored is because China is an AUTHORITARIAN society not a communist society. Saying China is communism is like comparing the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea to democracy because it has "democracy" as its name lol. It is not a communist society.
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Socialism has a specific definition. Communism has a specific definition.
Socialism is WORKER's control of production.
Communism is STATE control of production.
Capitalism is PRIVATE control of production.
All three are distinctively different forms.
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To my knowledge, “communism” is a stateless and classless society. Too my knowledge no state by definition has ever achieved this and thus true communism has never been achieved. Since “state” and “class” are the roots of all modern violence and conflict, the system sounds pretty great in theory.
Okay so I live in the U.S. and I will say from experience that Capitalism is shit. And I say this as someone who likely makes more money than most people in the U.S.
Let’s momentarily set aside the lunacy of an economic system where infinite profits and resources are forcibly extracted from a finite world,
Let’s set aside the fact that capitalism inevitably devolves into corporatism as businesses grow and grow infinitely at the expense of the health of the planet,
Let’s set aside the fact that essentially the whole reason the U.S. didn’t fail economically almost a dozen times by now is that we use our military to forcibly exert our agenda upon the rest of the world,
Let’s set aside the fact that in order for any Capitalist system to succeed, the majority of people participating need to be exploited and abused since businesses/owners are actively incentivizes to victimize their own laborers for the sake of higher and higher profits,
Let’s set aside the fact that Capitalism has forced the vast majority of the Western world to live in poverty just so that a tiny handful of people can own more wealth than they would need in a hundred lifetimes,
And essentially all capitalism is is a system where 1% of people oppress the 99% for the sake of profit. Capitalism in the U.S. currently is failing not only because all capitalist systems are doomed to long-term failure, but because more and more people are realizing what a harmful economic system capitalism truly is.
The idea of communism in principal sounds infinitely better than this capitalism shit.
Okay so I live in the U.S. and I will say from experience that Capitalism is shit. And I say this as someone who likely makes more money than most people in the U.S.
Let’s momentarily set aside the lunacy of an economic system where infinite profits and resources are forcibly extracted from a finite world,
Let’s set aside the fact that capitalism inevitably devolves into corporatism as businesses grow and grow infinitely at the expense of the health of the planet,
Let’s set aside the fact that essentially the whole reason the U.S. didn’t fail economically almost a dozen times by now is that we use our military to forcibly exert our agenda upon the rest of the world,
Let’s set aside the fact that in order for any Capitalist system to succeed, the majority of people participating need to be exploited and abused since businesses/owners are actively incentivizes to victimize their own laborers for the sake of higher and higher profits,
Let’s set aside the fact that Capitalism has forced the vast majority of the Western world to live in poverty just so that a tiny handful of people can own more wealth than they would need in a hundred lifetimes,
And essentially all capitalism is is a system where 1% of people oppress the 99% for the sake of profit. Capitalism in the U.S. currently is failing not only because all capitalist systems are doomed to long-term failure, but because more and more people are realizing what a harmful economic system capitalism truly is.
The idea of communism in principal sounds infinitely better than this capitalism shit.
Words have definition. If you think I provided a wrong definition then please give me the right definition.
Saying the Soviet Union is communist is like saying North Korea is a democracy because it has "democracy" as its name "the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea". The Soviet Union was a totalitarianism society.
Totalitarianism does not mean communism. Totalitarianism does not mean dictatorship. Dictatorship does not mean communism. etc. You guys are conflating so many words and grouping them up together which is propaganda. All these words have specific meanings. We need to stop grouping them up and first learn what they mean.
Saying the Soviet Union is communist is like saying North Korea is a democracy because it has "democracy" as its name "the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea". The Soviet Union was a totalitarianism society.
Totalitarianism does not mean communism. Totalitarianism does not mean dictatorship. Dictatorship does not mean communism. etc. You guys are conflating so many words and grouping them up together which is propaganda. All these words have specific meanings. We need to stop grouping them up and first learn what they mean.
I am asking you for the name because they based it off the principle of communism. Unless you forgot, the people who actually founded the Soviet Union were communist
and someone already gave you the answer, it’s a stateless society where the workers own the means of production, it’s literally socialism
or as would Lenin say “the ultimate goal of socialism”
and someone already gave you the answer, it’s a stateless society where the workers own the means of production, it’s literally socialism
or as would Lenin say “the ultimate goal of socialism”
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They weren't communist. The Soviets were Totalitarianism. Politician lie all the time and the Soviets leaders weren't any different. Communism before the soviet era was VERY popular among the Soviet population so politicians used that popularity and exploited it. Just like how capitalism is very popular in America and politicians try to say "capitalism" in almost every event they have. Joe Biden says he is a capitalist, are you going to believe him just because he claimed he is? There are specific doctrines that people must believe in and take action in order to be a communist.
Names of parties doesn't define socialism nor communism as I have already said. Why did they choose the name name "United Socialist Soviet Republi" (USSR)? I have no idea but it seems to me they went with that name because socialism was very popular during that era.
I am a anarchist-socialist, I believe that workers should have control of production, and I can tell you what the Soviet's believed in was NOT socialism.
I am a anarchist-socialist, I believe that workers should have control of production, and I can tell you what the Soviet's believed in was NOT socialism.
communism and socialism both advocate for shared ownership of the means of production by the people. You keep running yourself into a corner because you can’t concede that you didn’t know what communism is
idgaf what you call yourself, you might as well call yourself a horse because you’re acting as dumb as one right now. There’s literally Wikipedia pages out there to help you. Read more on communism before commenting on it
communism and socialism both advocate for shared ownership of the means of production. You keep running yourself into a corner because you can’t concede that you didn’t know what communism is
idgaf what you call yourself, you might as well call yourself a horse because you’re acting as dumb as one right now. There’s literally Wikipedia pages out there to help you
Socialism is without question "workers control of production". That is what I have been taught and that is what I have read. Now what is your definition of it.
Lmfao! So then there is no state control sector in communism? So then like I said, Soviets were NOT socialists because they had a state sector which was totalitarianism. You see now why you need to define words before you use them? You aren't making any sense and you keep grouping and conflating words together.
