Powers & Abilities So does everyone agree Enma not a power up now.

[Sword God Ryuma]

But if you give Enma to a 82/100 Zoro then he will be able to perform 90/100 slashes casually, slashes that, albeit exhaust their haki quicker, could also allow him to take stronger enemies down equally faster (enemies he may not have been able to defeat before in any way). Sure, he will become stronger as he trains, but same happened with Shusui: Zoro was instantly capable of creating much bigger slashes, but he was also aware that he needed to get used to it and even to "tame" its temper. So I'm pretty confident that, justs like Shusui, Enma will require adjustment but will represent a power up anyways.

No he won't. This his Haki that Enma uses. Zoro already knows how to use his Haki. Enma just takes it out without his consent. Dod you even read what i said. Zoro the same when he puts down Enma. Sanji isn't when he puts down Raid suit

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Can he consciously concentrate so much haki in his sword that his body physically srinks?

It just uses your Haki without your consent. Thats all.

 

[ardym]

Definitely not like the raid suit, raid suit makes sanji invisible, becoming stronger bec you've mastered a more difficult sword is definitely different

yes it make him invisible something he would be to do it using his observation haki
and Enma makes Zoro armament too strong that it cuts more than necessary

 

[Patryipe]

It is a legit opinion anyways. My point follows the logic of Zoro being capable to defeat stronger foes than before because sword duels tend to rely on a small number of powerful slashes that hit the target, and with Enma he's able to go up to a "risky level" that allows him to defeat stronger people faster in a "investment of haki" but also weakens him much quicker against enemies that are much above.

Anyways, I get your point and is a valid one.

Thing is, I'm not sure that would be the case.

Lets say Zoro wants to do a 5/100 attack.

Enma steals haki and makes it a 15/100. Result = You wasted haki.

Let's say Zoro wants to make a 100/100 attack.

Could Enma make it a 105/100 or a 110/100 attack? Considering that what Enma does is using the wielder haki power I don't even know if it is possible to go beyond the natural limit of 100/100.

So if that's the case the only "benefit" ( = drawback) is that you overkill fodders.

So "magic sword" my ass. There's a reason Kinemon & Co. didn't even want to touch it.

[Just for context: I think that Shusui was a PU because while Zoro couldn't immediately extract the full potential it certainly did not make him weaker, and clearly gave him and immediate boost w/o significant drawbacks]

Anyway, Zoro has already partially mastered it probably, so he's already stronger. How people want to define the process is up to them.

 

[HA001]

Can he consciously concentrate so much haki in his sword that his body physically srinks?

He cut a fucking mountain.
You saying him cutting a cliff is a power up.

Enma added no haki it just took zoros.

 

[HA001]

Thing is, I'm not sure that would be the case.

Lets say Zoro wants to do a 5/100 attack.

Enma steals haki and makes it a 15/100. Result = You wasted haki.

Let's say Zoro wants to make a 100/100 attack.

Could Enma make it a 105/100 or a 110/100 attack? Considering that what Enma does is using the wielder haki power I don't even know if it is possible to go beyond the natural limit of 100/100.

So if that's the case the only "benefit" ( = drawback) is that you overkill fodders.

So "magic sword" my ass. There's a reason Kinemon & Co. didn't even want to touch it.

[Just for context: I think that Shusui was a PU because while Zoro couldn't immediately extract the full potential it certainly did not make him weaker, and clearly gave him and immediate boost w/o significant drawbacks]

Anyway, Zoro has already partially mastered it probably, so he's already stronger. How people want to define the process is up to them.

Yes this perfectly explains it.

 

[ardym]

Raid suit helps Sanji increase his observation haki and genetic feats
Enma helps Zoro increase his armament haki and later too demonic feats (when he uses ashura)
that is all to it , later they will be able to pull that off without RS or Enma

 

[bennbeckman]

yes it make him invisible something he would be to do it using his observation haki
and Enma makes Zoro armament too strong that it cuts more than necessary

Definitely not, if sanji did not have his suit he would not be able to turn invisible hahaha. and Enma draining zoros haki mean's he did not have full mastery of his haki yet

 

[ardym]

Definitely not, if sanji did not have his suit he would not be able to turn invisible hahaha. and Enma draining zoros haki mean's he did not have full mastery of his haki yet

he will be able due to his observation and genetic , you know that RS only increase the genetic feats of the Vinsmokes
that goes for Sanji he will achive the same with a mix between his not complete modification and his observation haki. at least that is what i think.
Oda gave them those power ups for a reason and that is definitely related to their haki specialty

 

[Un-amed]

Raid suit helps Sanji increase his observation haki ...

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[bennbeckman]

Sanji wanted to become invisible, the clear clear fruit is gone so they gave him a raid suit that would be able to do that for him. Raid suit and enma are 2 completely different types of powerups. Him taking off the raid suit will never make him invisible. If im wrong ill gladly admit it too

 

[ZenZu]

Enma is like wearing weights on your ankles while running. It's more of a detriment short term, but at the same time once you master it, you will have grown stronger.

Zoro will learn better haki control thanks to it. He himself got a powerup (through training), and Enma was the tool that enabled it to happen. I doubt the blade on its own is going to gift you much aside from being a high quality blade which Shusui already was.

If Zoro was training with Shusui he wouldn't be as strong as he is with Enma after just a few days, consider it an exceptional training regime (especially given limited time). End result is the same (Zoro powered up), but it's not a hand me down for sure (that's the raid suit).

 

[Chrono]

Where would Zoro be without Enma ? ....Fainting to another pleasure.


Doesn't matter whether the sword is a PU or it allowed him to become stronger. Either way if Zoro never posssesed Enma he wouldn't be where he is now

 

[bennbeckman]

Enma is like wearing weights on your ankles while running. It's more of a detriment short term, but at the same time once you master it, you will have grown stronger.

Zoro will learn better haki control thanks to it. He himself got a powerup (through training), and Enma was the tool that enabled it to happen. I doubt the blade on its own is going to gift you much aside from being a high quality blade which Shusui already was.

If Zoro was training with Shusui he wouldn't be as strong as he is with Enma after just a few days, consider it an exceptional training regime (especially given limited time). End result is the same (Zoro powered up), but it's not a hand me down for sure (that's the raid suit).

Hit the nail on the head

 

[Worst]

It's a partial PU, the sword doen't boost Zoro's base stats like his resistance / physical strength but it boosts his slashes (and by a considerable amount apparently lol)

 

[Chrono]

Where would Zoro be without Enma ? ....Fainting to another pleasure.


Doesn't matter whether the sword is a PU or it allowed him to become stronger. Either way if Zoro never posssesed Enma he wouldn't be where he is now

Thus Enma is a magic sword and Zoro's master.

 

[ardym]

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i am pretty sure after using the RS for a time he will be able to conceal himself using his observation haki feats and maybe in combination with some feats of his incomplete genetic modification.
he already told Absa that he will peep using his own powers

 

[Jo_Ndule]

It's a Power up! Anything that boost one stat of yours , is a PU.

He will be stronger because he mastered Enma!
That's his own words.
The training is for him to master Enma

Enma is the reason why he trained and whe he will become stronger .

Whatever anyone trying to way is going against Zoro own words.
"Once I master this, I'll be stronger..."

 

[Finalbeta]

Enma is way weaker than Yoru. Yoru is a Supreme Grade Sword and moreover the strongest as stated by Mihawk.

Enma is of the same grade as Shusui however Shusui is at least a black blade.

 

[bennbeckman]

In 955 Tenguyama Hitetsu, believed that Zoro will turn enma into a Black blade, i can't wait to see when Zoro does that.