Powers & Abilities So does everyone agree Enma not a power up now.

[Rosella.Fiamingo]

No matter what way you choose to look at it, Enma is a PU. Without Enma, Zoro is weaker. He NEEDED Enma to be able to train and make his haki usage more effective. If he switched to a lower grade blade without any special qualities, he doesn't have this opportunity to grow stronger. Just like Gears are PU's for Luffy. He still needs to master them to reduce the negative side effects but they are undoubtedly powerups for him. By giving Zoro Enma, Oda is telling us that Zoro was not ready to face the opponents he would face in Wano without it. Without Enma, he undoubtedly loses to them that much is clear. The same goes for Sanji and his RS.

 

[bennbeckman]

Enma doesnt make zoro stronger, it drains the haki on any user. Enma is more of a realization that zoro needed to train to master his haki control, even though it was still at a high level when he forced the haki from the sword to his arm

 

[Guan Yu]

Does it boost Zoro stats?yes
Doest it make Zoro stronger? Yes

PU!

Next

Which stats did Enma boost?

 

[Guymieux]

It is a power up.

The problem here is that, since certain discussions are so polarized (especially those revolving around Zoro) and before the flashback Enma was defended to be some kind of magic sword, then now it seems like it has been downgraded to just a common sword; but this isn't the case at all. Enma has something special in how it drains the holder's haki and performs with great ease impressive cuts (Oda is clearly trying to convey its abnormal power with those panels of Zoro casually cutting cliffs).

Even if it's just a training tool, that will entail a power growth, so his power will go up anyways.

Do you know the definition of power up?. Here is a link to what a power up means.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PowerUp

 

[kurohime]

Enma is going to lead to a haki based PU so overall, yeah it's a UP of you take everything surrounding it into account. Depends on how well he masters it.

Shunsui is still the better blade, quality wise... but Zoro couldn't grow from it further whereas he can with Enma.

 

[JioFreed]

I don't know why some Zoro fans take as offense to call Enma a power up, it's not a crime getting one, especially when a big war is about to happen and with a lot of strong people there *sigh*

 

[nik87]

Everyone capable of processing the information knew from the beginning that Enma was a nerf instead of a power-up.
People equate a training result to automatically holding Enma a power-up which has never been true.

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

I think some of yall get unnecessarily offended by the word power up like it a bad thing when it comes to zoro

Zoro after getting used to emna will be stronger than ever
As simple as that

Yea..it's just simple as that

 

[bennbeckman]

At the end of the day Zoro is already on the same level as Oden because he is also capable of using Enma, just wait til he blackens it the it'll be Zoro is Enma's power up

 

[kurohime]

At the end of the day Zoro is already on the same level as Oden because he is also capable of using Enma, just wait til he blackens it the it'll be Zoro is Enma's power up

You have no idea what threshold you'd have to be to wield Enma.... Oden is just the one we know of capable of wielding it. Someone weaker than Zoro might be able to wield it as well. We just don't know.

 

[kurohime]

Wielding Enma doesnt immediately make you "Oden Level" which is a level have no idea about

 

[bennbeckman]

Is that what you think?

 

[kurohime]

Is that what you think?

It's a fact... we don't know how strong you have to be to wield Enma.

No one said you have to be "this strong" to wield Enma.... it's pure speculation

 

[bennbeckman]

It's a fact... we don't know how strong you have to be to wield Enma.

No one said you have to be "this strong" to wield Enma.... it's pure speculation

After "It's a fact" IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT YOU THINK!!!!!!!!!!

I was being hyperbolic and trying to set that up.

 

[kurohime]

Oden was wielding Enma from when he was young and his journey made him many times more powerful.

I would assume Zoro is stronger than pre-roger Oden, right? But we don't know how strong Oden was exactly

 

[bennbeckman]

Here's my question. Oden was never able to blacken the blades like Ryuma, why did Tenguyama express his confidence in Zoro's ability to do so?

 

[bennbeckman]

Oden was wielding Enma from when he was young and his journey made him many times more powerful.

I would assume Zoro is stronger than pre-roger Oden, right? But we don't know how strong Oden was exactly

It's tough to say because Oda has clearly inserted that these characters were much weaker 20 years ago then they are in present time

 

[kurohime]

Here's my question. Oden was never able to blacken the blades like Ryuma, why did Tenguyama express his confidence in Zoro's ability to do so?

Zoro exudes strength most likely... and he was known to have mastered Shunsui which I doubt just anyone could do. You'd need to be a swordsman

Skilled fighters in OP have been known to do so often.

 

[Vlad D. Impaler]

Contrarily everyone agrees that Enema is a PU. Well everyone except, you know....

 

[bennbeckman]

I think we'll have our actual answer once zoro uses Enma in action against beast pirates.