Powers & Abilities So does everyone agree Enma not a power up now.

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#85
Well, from black blade to non black blade. Changes nothing.

If Zoro drops from a YC1+ to YC3/4 because he loses 1 blade.... it's pathetic
To make it short - it was a trick question.
If Zoro replaces Enma with Shusui, he will power up, nothing significant but a harder blade is a harder blade. Enma no longer gives him anything, the training he went through because of it bore fruits which are not gone with the sword. If it bore any fruits at all that is, which we yet have to see.
 
#87
To make it short - it was a trick question.
If Zoro replaces Enma with Shusui, he will power up, nothing significant but a harder blade is a harder blade. Enma no longer gives him anything, the training he went through because of it bore fruits which are not gone with the sword. If it bore any fruits at all that is, which we yet have to see.
That was a dumb trick question because the wielding of Enma is obviously going to lead to something haki related for Zoro. It's only a matter of time, and it's going to be something he wouldn't have been able to do with Shunsui.

You ever play video games? If you get cheat codes that give you the best weapon in the game (A Black Blade) then you lose all respect for all the building up needed to respect a appreciate such a weapon. You didn't have to work for it... Like Zoro didnt have to work for a Black Blade. It was given to him... didnt have to work for it at all. Zoro is going the the steps needed to turn a blade black and it seems to me like Enma's haki gimmick is going to get him there.

Zoro himself knows he will get strong by wielding it and says as much himself. It's the diehard Zoro fans that think he doesn't need the help. Truth is he does.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#91
That was a dumb trick question because the wielding of Enma is obviously going to lead to something haki related for Zoro. It's only a matter of time, and it's going to be something he wouldn't have been able to do with Shunsui.

You ever play video games? If you get cheat codes that give you the best weapon in the game (A Black Blade) then you lose all respect for all the building up needed to respect a appreciate such a weapon. You didn't have to work for it... Like Zoro didnt have to work for a Black Blade. It was given to him... didnt have to work for it at all. Zoro is going the the steps needed to turn a blade black and it seems to me like Enma's haki gimmick is going to get him there.

Zoro himself knows he will get strong by wielding it and says as much himself. It's the diehard Zoro fans that think he doesn't need the help. Truth is he does.
Well, dumb or not you fell for it.
If there is any benefit from the training it has yet to be seen and as I said, no longer depends on the blade.
Whatever the gimmick prevention training provides, it didnt allow Oden to make it a black blade and he used it like 30-ish years.
So, if Zoro makes a blade black it means he is better than Oden and it is not because he got used to Enmas gimmick.
 
#92
Well, dumb or not you fell for it.
If there is any benefit from the training it has yet to be seen and as I said, no longer depends on the blade.
Whatever the gimmick prevention training provides, it didnt allow Oden to make it a black blade and he used it like 30-ish years.
So, if Zoro makes a blade black it means he is better than Oden and it is not because he got used to Enmas gimmick.
How did I fall for it? It was a stupid question lol. Telling you it's stupid and proving why it's stupid is falling for it? Lol sure.

As far as I know, Oden never mentioned wanting to make his blades black.... it's not a think most people care about. Like advanced haki it's seems to be the natural progression of a blade to eventually reach a black blade when certain conditions are met, unless you actively trying to make your blade black it won't happen... Oden danced the last 5 years of him life and didnt actively train from what we were shown.
 
#93
Well, dumb or not you fell for it.
If there is any benefit from the training it has yet to be seen and as I said, no longer depends on the blade.
Whatever the gimmick prevention training provides, it didnt allow Oden to make it a black blade and he used it like 30-ish years.
So, if Zoro makes a blade black it means he is better than Oden and it is not because he got used to Enmas gimmick.
You would have to prove that Oden TRIED to make his blade black lol you can't just assume Zoro is stronger because he learns to do it.
 
#94
Its literally a PU actually. Its not of the same variety as sanji RS. Which seems to be what people are trying to distance zoro from. But he himself implies he'd be stronger after mastering the blade.

Anyway emna a powerup specificly because, its the direct cause of Zoro haki growth. Zoro's haki directly linked to his AP/ lethality/ DC/ an overall defense.

So again its literally a PU. Just one that needs training to benefit from.
 
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#95
Its literally a PU actually. Its not of the same variety as sanji RS. Which seems to be what people are trying to distance zoro from. By he himself implies he'd be stronger after mastering the blade.

But emna still is a powerup specificly because its the direct cause, of Zoro haki growth. Zoro's haki directly linked to his AP/ lethality/ DC/ an overall defense.

So again its literally a PU. Just one that needs training to benefit from.
Well put. I think this says everything.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#96
How did I fall for it? It was a stupid question lol. Telling you it's stupid and proving why it's stupid is falling for it? Lol sure.

As far as I know, Oden never mentioned wanting to make his blades black.... it's not a think most people care about. Like advanced haki it's seems to be the natural progression of a blade to eventually reach a black blade when certain conditions are met, unless you actively trying to make your blade black it won't happen... Oden danced the last 5 years of him life and didnt actively train from what we were shown.
It is ok, i expected ppl to fall for it if they think Enma itself is a PU.
When has Zoro actively tried to make a blade black? It's just an excuse for all those who didnt have a Kokuto...
Its literally a PU actually. Its not of the same variety as sanji RS. Which seems to be what people are trying to distance zoro from. But he himself implies he'd be stronger after mastering the blade.

Anyway emna still is a powerup specificly because its the direct cause, of Zoro haki growth. Zoro's haki directly linked to his AP/ lethality/ DC/ an overall defense.

So again its literally a PU. Just one that needs training to benefit from.
Training has always been a PU, training tools arent a PU because training fruits remain even if you drop the tools.
 
#97
It is ok, i expected ppl to fall for it if they think Enma itself is a PU.
When has Zoro actively tried to make a blade black? It's just an excuse for all those who didnt have a Kokuto...

Training has always been a PU, training tools arent a PU because training fruits remain even if you drop the tools.
Give me an example of anyone TRYING to get a black blade? Besides Zoro of course.

In fact, give me an example of anyone claiming a black blade was a goal for all swordsmen who aspire to be the greatest? Agains besides Zoro/Mihawk

No one cares about it, but you think it's an excuse? Nah, it's not backed by the manga.

And I futher proved why it's a PU so this... didnt really work out for you... whatever you were trying
 
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