Powers & Abilities Wado Ichimonji and Enma

[ImmaIvanoM]

Hitetsu says Zoro’s familiarity with Wado ichimonji is what helped him get used to Enma as well so easily.

I think this means like with how Enma requires the sword user to be strong to use it most effectively, Wado Ichimonji does as well.

But you might ask yourself, we know Zoro wasn’t that strong in East Blue so how come? Well I think that’s the point, Zoro wasn’t using Wado Ichimonji effectively because he wasn’t that strong. I think from the time he started cutting up steel with Ryou, that’s when he started getting into actually using the sword well.

Now all those 955 chapters have brought him here now, being the only man in Wano who can handle Enma coz essentially he had 955 chapters of training.

 

[L o g i a]

Hitetsu says Zoro’s familiarity with Wado ichimonji is what helped him get used to Enma as well so easily.

I think this means like with how Enma requires the sword user to be strong to use it most effectively, Wado Ichimonji does as well.

But you might ask yourself, we know Zoro wasn’t that strong in East Blue so how come? Well I think that’s the point, Zoro wasn’t using Wado Ichimonji effectively because he wasn’t that strong. I think from the time he started cutting up steel with Ryou, that’s when he started getting into actually using the sword well.

Now all those 955 chapters have brought him here now, being the only man in Wano who can handle Enma coz essentially he had 955 chapters of training.

That's an interesting hypothesis and it is certainly possible. But the problem I find with it is, if Zoro is used to Wado Ichimonji, he must have already mastered the blade.

I personally think it's all got something to do with black blades. I wish we knew enough about how that works

 

[Just a member]

As I see it the swords have a will of their own too. So for all the swords Zoro get until now let's say Zoro gained the right to wield them. Wado was gifted by his teacher after Kuina's death, shodai was conquered by his luck, shusui was given by its former master himself, Ryuma. Now Enma has to test Zoro in his own way and anyway it is a new thing we nevet saw before which adapts to the situation. If any other sword, let's say shusui which is on par or stronger, asked such a trial he would have failed it (hasn't even haki pre time skip).

So Wado didn't require strength (otherwise kid Zoro could forget about it) maybe will or luck.

Most likely imo Tengu said that bexause the sword maker was the same sobthe swords are bound to bear a lot of similarities. It is like buying a new car from a vrand you have already driven a lot before or a new one entirely.

 

[Inspector_Mu]

It is because that dude who made wado is linked to zoro
Somewhat zoro can easilu weild them because he is a shimotsuki .

 

[Garp the Fist]

If they're both made by the same guy and both have the same grade will Wado jump up a grade as well if Zoro turns it black?

 

[L o g i a]

If they're both made by the same guy and both have the same grade will Wado jump up a grade as well if Zoro turns it black?

I would assume so

I expect all of the Supreme Grade swords are black blades and that the only way to become a supreme grade sword holder is to turn a Great Grade sword black

 

[Garp the Fist]

I would assume so

I expect all of the Supreme Grade swords are black blades and that the only way to become a supreme grade sword holder is to turn a Great Grade sword black

We know that Whitebeard's spear is a Supreme Grade and it isn't black. And if it is the case that Gandhi's sword is the Shodai, it's not a black blade either

Which then brings up Mihawk saying Yoru was the best sword in the world. I've always just thought he meant it was wielded by the strongest swordsman, but maybe it's the only Supreme Grade that was forged as a Supreme Blade and then turned into a black blade to boot? Literally making it the best sword in the world?

 

[L o g i a]

We know that Whitebeard's spear is a Supreme Grade and it isn't black. And if it is the case that Gandhi's sword is the Shodai, it's not a black blade either

Which then brings up Mihawk saying Yoru was the best sword in the world. I've always just thought he meant it was wielded by the strongest swordsman, but maybe it's the only Supreme Grade that was forged as a Supreme Blade and then turned into a black blade to boot? Literally making it the best sword in the world?

If you look at the colour depictions of Murakumogiri, it actually is black aside from the sharp edge - so I don't think we can say for sure whether it is a black blade or not

It may be the case, but there's also the possibility it is only known as the best sword in the world because Mihawk is the wielder of the sword, you know what I mean?

 

[Finalbeta]

I believe Enma should be around Shusui's level but I find odd that he fatigues at using it so much if it's not a special sword so I'm a lil concerned

 

[Albino 👑]

I hope we find out more about wado tbh and zoros village etc.
Cause while wado holds a lot of meaning it seems underwhelming powerwise to swords the same grade. Even emna made by the same person

Also hoping its the first sword he turns black because of how long hes had it and just how meaningful it is. Plus black black with white hilt sounds sexy


And tengu should just give zoro nidai at this point tho its kinda weird it being the different one from wado and emna

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

That's an interesting hypothesis and it is certainly possible. But the problem I find with it is, if Zoro is used to Wado Ichimonji, he must have already mastered the blade.

I personally think it's all got something to do with black blades. I wish we knew enough about how that works

Well yeah, Mastering a sword is basically what Kyoshiro told Zoro when he was young. A good Swordsman is one who only cuts what he wants to cut.

Meaning Zoro failed to master Enma as of now since he tried to cut only the tree and cut the whole cliff. Whereas during the Daz bone fight, he managed to cut only Steel and not cut leaves with Wado Ichimonji so at that point he had basically mastered Wado.

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It is because that dude who made wado is linked to zoro
Somewhat zoro can easilu weild them because he is a shimotsuki .

No. Zoro would have to be Kuina’s brother or something for that to happen and we certainly saw no signs of that

 

[HA001]

Well yeah, Mastering a sword is basically what Kyoshiro told Zoro when he was young. A good Swordsman is one who only cuts what he wants to cut.

Meaning Zoro failed to master Enma as of now since he tried to cut only the tree and cut the whole cliff. Whereas during the Daz bone fight, he managed to cut only Steel and not cut leaves with Wado Ichimonji so at that point he had basically mastered Wado.

So for you even though hes mastered wano and its not black must be a case of haki level then ?

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

As I see it the swords have a will of their own too. So for all the swords Zoro get until now let's say Zoro gained the right to wield them. Wado was gifted by his teacher after Kuina's death, shodai was conquered by his luck, shusui was given by its former master himself, Ryuma. Now Enma has to test Zoro in his own way and anyway it is a new thing we nevet saw before which adapts to the situation. If any other sword, let's say shusui which is on par or stronger, asked such a trial he would have failed it (hasn't even haki pre time skip).

So Wado didn't require strength (otherwise kid Zoro could forget about it) maybe will or luck.

Most likely imo Tengu said that bexause the sword maker was the same sobthe swords are bound to bear a lot of similarities. It is like buying a new car from a vrand you have already driven a lot before or a new one entirely.

I don’t think the actual “Test” of the sword is what is important for you to say you mastered a sword

I think Mastering a sword is what Koshiro said, a sword that cuts only what the user wants to cut... Therefore he never actually mastered Wado Ichimonji until he cut steel in Alabasta and he won’t master Enma until forces it to like be unable to cut paper or something if he doesn’t want it too

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So for you even though hes mastered wano and its not black must be a case of haki level then ?

Oden was said to have mastered Enma but Enma wasn’t black

Mastering a sword isn’t the same as making it black

Making the sword black is leveling up a sword, it’s above mastery...

 

[Zowo]

It is because that dude who made wado is linked to zoro
Somewhat zoro can easilu weild them because he is a shimotsuki .

Mr Ldule didn t zoro had wado from a young age? and zoro isnt a shimotsuki koshiro is

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

If they're both made by the same guy and both have the same grade will Wado jump up a grade as well if Zoro turns it black?

Yeah

 

[HA001]

I don’t think the actual “Test” of the sword is what is important for you to say you mastered a sword

I think Mastering a sword is what Koshiro said, a sword that cuts only what the user wants to cut... Therefore he never actually mastered Wado Ichimonji until he cut steel in Alabasta and he won’t master Enma until forces it to like be unable to cut paper or something if he doesn’t want it too

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Oden was said to have mastered Enma but Enma wasn’t black

Mastering a sword isn’t the same as making it black

Making the sword black is leveling up a sword, it’s above mastery...

So what would you say about a saijo o wazamono in yoru being black for mastery ?

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

So what would you say about a saijo o wazamono in yoru being black for mastery ?

Well yeah, Making a sword black is above mastery of a sword... Mihawk mastered Yoru first a long time ago and then leveled it up to black blade Supreme grade

I don’t know if you understand what I’m getting at? Zoro will be considered as “He’s tamed Enma and he’s around Oden Level” when he makes Enma cut only what he wants it to cut... But when he makes it a black blade at Supreme grade then he’s gone above Oden and mastery of the sword, he’s actually making the sword better at that point

 

[BossYimz]

Hitetsu says Zoro’s familiarity with Wado ichimonji is what helped him get used to Enma as well so easily.

I think this means like with how Enma requires the sword user to be strong to use it most effectively, Wado Ichimonji does as well.

But you might ask yourself, we know Zoro wasn’t that strong in East Blue so how come? Well I think that’s the point, Zoro wasn’t using Wado Ichimonji effectively because he wasn’t that strong. I think from the time he started cutting up steel with Ryou, that’s when he started getting into actually using the sword well.

Now all those 955 chapters have brought him here now, being the only man in Wano who can handle Enma coz essentially he had 955 chapters of training.

I think Wado's is special in that it has the ability to make fire.
Enma cuts all the way to hell, Hell has fire, so enma can cut fire.
Wado the counterpart of enma makes fire. He used it to ignite the wound of ryuma's corpse.

 

[HA001]

Well yeah, Making a sword black is above mastery of a sword... Mihawk mastered Yoru first a long time ago and then leveled it up to black blade Supreme grade

I don’t know if you understand what I’m getting at? Zoro will be considered as “He’s tamed Enma and he’s around Oden Level” when he makes Enma cut only what he wants it to cut... But when he makes it a black blade at Supreme grade then he’s gone above Oden and mastery of the sword, he’s actually making the sword better at that point

No i completely understand. Ive had the same thoughts on this.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

I think Wado's is special in that it has the ability to make fire.
Enma cuts all the way to hell, Hell has fire, so enma can cut fire.
Wado the counterpart of enma makes fire. He used it to ignite the wound of ryuma's corpse.

What about Kin’emon’s Fire style? Is that also due to his sword somehow?