Powers & Abilities Has Luffy mastered G4
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All of it was said already basically. Alone for the fact that he can freely switch off and on his modes will conserve a lot of haki/energy.
One thing tho, that I often see people arguing with and you did aswell. And it's pretty much the basis for that assumption of him having a longer time limit...
How do you picture the concept of advanced CoA in your head, when you are talking about "conserve CoA" and "wasted haki"? I'm really interested, no ulterior motive.
Isn't he still using the same amount of haki he was using before for his Gear4 transformations? How will he conserve any haki if he's doing it the same way he did it before? Especially when he's using extra amounts of haki for those advanced CoA attacks on top of the haki, he already needs for maintaining those transformations? Obviously he's able to do so, going by that "new" KKG feat.
I think the only possibilities in doing so are, by either switching it off at will (what he was doing within that chapter) or by learning to maintain those transformations w/o the need of hardening at all. If he still uses haki, he's simultaously still wasting haki afterall.
Either I'm missing something about the concept of advanced CoA or you are. So, what do you say about that?
Edit: Btw imo the scene was there to function as a dick measuring contest, to give a sneak peak into what Kid has in store to compete with them and that Luffy can switch it off-> a more casual usage.
One thing tho, that I often see people arguing with and you did aswell. And it's pretty much the basis for that assumption of him having a longer time limit...
How do you picture the concept of advanced CoA in your head, when you are talking about "conserve CoA" and "wasted haki"? I'm really interested, no ulterior motive.
Isn't he still using the same amount of haki he was using before for his Gear4 transformations? How will he conserve any haki if he's doing it the same way he did it before? Especially when he's using extra amounts of haki for those advanced CoA attacks on top of the haki, he already needs for maintaining those transformations? Obviously he's able to do so, going by that "new" KKG feat.
I think the only possibilities in doing so are, by either switching it off at will (what he was doing within that chapter) or by learning to maintain those transformations w/o the need of hardening at all. If he still uses haki, he's simultaously still wasting haki afterall.
Either I'm missing something about the concept of advanced CoA or you are. So, what do you say about that?
Edit: Btw imo the scene was there to function as a dick measuring contest, to give a sneak peak into what Kid has in store to compete with them and that Luffy can switch it off-> a more casual usage.
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You don't always have to show the same AOE feats with the same technique, its attack potency is more important after all.
And yes, Bound Man's current "casual KKG punches" doesn't have to lift a city to demonstrate similar punching force.
How Bound Man destroyed a single ship is literally irrelevant when it comes about his punching force.
Luffy's Grizzly Magnum managed to destroy the head of Pica's golem whilst Katakuri's superior Elephant Gun version didn't even completely destroy the pillaw in which Katakuri punched Luffy through.
Exactly that's the case; Bound Man's current punches can be compared to its previous KKG without having the brute strength of said technique.
Either way, current Bound Man's attacks should be even more effective since it is more balanced now.
And yes, Bound Man's current "casual KKG punches" doesn't have to lift a city to demonstrate similar punching force.
How Bound Man destroyed a single ship is literally irrelevant when it comes about his punching force.
Luffy's Grizzly Magnum managed to destroy the head of Pica's golem whilst Katakuri's superior Elephant Gun version didn't even completely destroy the pillaw in which Katakuri punched Luffy through.
Exactly that's the case; Bound Man's current punches can be compared to its previous KKG without having the brute strength of said technique.
Either way, current Bound Man's attacks should be even more effective since it is more balanced now.
What the actual fk are you going on about? KKG in Dressrosa (1) destroyed Spider Web which easily blocked G3 (2) overpowered Doffy's ultimate attack (3) KOed Doffy (4) Used his body to destroy an entire section of the city
Here Luffy's Gear 4 was less impressive than a basic air slash from Kyoshiro and some have the gall to compare the two.
No. They're more effective against KAIDO. There is a difference. There are cases where raw force is needed more.
Penetrating Haki is not a substitute for Raw Force. In fact, Penetrating Haki is not even a substitute for Hardening Haki. They are just different applications used in different places.
Here Luffy's Gear 4 was less impressive than a basic air slash from Kyoshiro and some have the gall to compare the two.
No. They're more effective against KAIDO. There is a difference. There are cases where raw force is needed more.
Penetrating Haki is not a substitute for Raw Force. In fact, Penetrating Haki is not even a substitute for Hardening Haki. They are just different applications used in different places.
Mate, stop barking like that and simply reread my post again: You don't always have to show the same AOE feats with the same technique, its attack potency is more important after all.
And yes, Bound Man's current "casual KKG punches" doesn't have to lift a city to demonstrate similar punching force.
You are talking irrelevant garbage.
This Bound Man is literally going to hurt Kaido and you come up with DR KKG destroying Spider Web, lmao.
How does that disprove Bound Man's current AP?
KOed a mortally wounded Doffy, yes.
As I said above, attack potency doesn't always mean you have to destroy something to have similar potency...
You are heavily mistaken if you think Kyoshiro's basic air slash has more destructive capacity/attack potency than Bound Man only because he destroyed a single ship better.
That's really absurd bud.
And yes, Bound Man's current "casual KKG punches" doesn't have to lift a city to demonstrate similar punching force.
You are talking irrelevant garbage.
This Bound Man is literally going to hurt Kaido and you come up with DR KKG destroying Spider Web, lmao.
How does that disprove Bound Man's current AP?
KOed a mortally wounded Doffy, yes.
As I said above, attack potency doesn't always mean you have to destroy something to have similar potency...
You are heavily mistaken if you think Kyoshiro's basic air slash has more destructive capacity/attack potency than Bound Man only because he destroyed a single ship better.
That's really absurd bud.
No, what's absurd is your lame attempt at logic by making up fake rules. Luffy's new CoA has clear VISIBLE destructive capability, especially with inanimate objects.
And that destructive capability last chapter is nowhere near KKG in Dressrosa. Saying Luffy's punch last chapter was = KKG in Dressrosa is pure stupidity.
Yes, NOT because of STRENGTH, but because of PENETRATION. He's not damaging Kaido's outter skin. If Boundman previously could hit his internal organs, it'd be devastating.
And that destructive capability last chapter is nowhere near KKG in Dressrosa. Saying Luffy's punch last chapter was = KKG in Dressrosa is pure stupidity.
Yes, NOT because of STRENGTH, but because of PENETRATION. He's not damaging Kaido's outter skin. If Boundman previously could hit his internal organs, it'd be devastating.
Only because you fail to comprehend simple logic, doesn't mean my claims are absurd.
You don't have to show the same destructive capacity feats on each panel; nothing says that Bound Man's next KKG levels up a city again by sending someone away.
That's only your headcanon, nothing else.
You are spewing nonsense.
This is Bound Man's Kong Gun against Doflamingo:
It sends Doflamingo flying kilometers away, launching him till in the middle of the city.
This is Bound Man's Kong Gun against Katakuri:
Although Katakuri flew quite a lot, this is nowhere comparable to being launched from a mountain till a city. And yet, Bound Man's AP is still the same.
Advanced CoA allows you to destroy the inner body; although it can show visible destructive capacity as well - I never denied this btw - doesn't mean it is always measured by destructive capacity.
Doesn't really matter; when Luffy trained his advanced CoA, he used his KKG on an object as well and its destructive capacity was nowhere comparable to Dressrosa's - doesn't mean it is weaker, though.
There was no need to show extraordinal destructive capacity feats when Bound Man simply destroyed a single ship worth of fodders. It is not worth any panels to make it more spectacular unlike Luffy's finishing move against an arc antagonist...
You are simply wrong.
How does that look for you?
These shockwaves are extremely powerful even without physical contact.
And yes, Bound Man doesn't need brute strength, his advanced CoA will injure Kaido's inner body but on the other hand, it is also obvious that Bound Man's advanced CoA should be able to handle Kaido's strength effectively.
Penetrating his skin isn't everything on this fight.
And besides, re-read this again: Exactly that's the case; Bound Man's current punches can be compared to its previous KKG without having the brute strength of said technique.
Either way, current Bound Man's attacks should be even more effective since it is more balanced now.
I always talked about current Bound Man's attack potency - and its attack potency isn't only determinated by its visible destructive capacity and brute strength as you falsely claim.
Hence Bound Man's advanced CoA attacks should have a similar damage output like KKG as well, if not even better even if current Bound Man's brute strength isn't on par with DR KKG.
You don't have to show the same destructive capacity feats on each panel; nothing says that Bound Man's next KKG levels up a city again by sending someone away.
That's only your headcanon, nothing else.
You are spewing nonsense.
This is Bound Man's Kong Gun against Doflamingo:
It sends Doflamingo flying kilometers away, launching him till in the middle of the city.
This is Bound Man's Kong Gun against Katakuri:
Although Katakuri flew quite a lot, this is nowhere comparable to being launched from a mountain till a city. And yet, Bound Man's AP is still the same.
Advanced CoA allows you to destroy the inner body; although it can show visible destructive capacity as well - I never denied this btw - doesn't mean it is always measured by destructive capacity.
Doesn't really matter; when Luffy trained his advanced CoA, he used his KKG on an object as well and its destructive capacity was nowhere comparable to Dressrosa's - doesn't mean it is weaker, though.
There was no need to show extraordinal destructive capacity feats when Bound Man simply destroyed a single ship worth of fodders. It is not worth any panels to make it more spectacular unlike Luffy's finishing move against an arc antagonist...
You are simply wrong.
How does that look for you?
These shockwaves are extremely powerful even without physical contact.
And yes, Bound Man doesn't need brute strength, his advanced CoA will injure Kaido's inner body but on the other hand, it is also obvious that Bound Man's advanced CoA should be able to handle Kaido's strength effectively.
Penetrating his skin isn't everything on this fight.
And besides, re-read this again: Exactly that's the case; Bound Man's current punches can be compared to its previous KKG without having the brute strength of said technique.
Either way, current Bound Man's attacks should be even more effective since it is more balanced now.
I always talked about current Bound Man's attack potency - and its attack potency isn't only determinated by its visible destructive capacity and brute strength as you falsely claim.
Hence Bound Man's advanced CoA attacks should have a similar damage output like KKG as well, if not even better even if current Bound Man's brute strength isn't on par with DR KKG.
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Doffy is even absolutely irrelevant here lol
But as Hyo implied, if Luffy mastered his advanced CoA, he could have blocked Big Mom's attack with his barrier haki alone. No brute strength is needed.
Hence Bound Man can demonstrate KKG level punches without the same amount of brute strength if his advanced CoA is extremely skilled. After all, attack potency isn't only measured by visible destructive capacity feats.
@Monkey D Theories is definitely not utterly wrong by claiming that Bound Man's casual punches could be DR KKG level if it's amplified with advanced CoA.
But as Hyo implied, if Luffy mastered his advanced CoA, he could have blocked Big Mom's attack with his barrier haki alone. No brute strength is needed.
Hence Bound Man can demonstrate KKG level punches without the same amount of brute strength if his advanced CoA is extremely skilled. After all, attack potency isn't only measured by visible destructive capacity feats.
@Monkey D Theories is definitely not utterly wrong by claiming that Bound Man's casual punches could be DR KKG level if it's amplified with advanced CoA.
