Versus Battle Monkey D. Luffy VS Naruto Uzumaki || By Steinixos

[Sentinel]

Lol, “I cannot debunk his points. Errr insult him!” 😂😂😂

Actually, that was another stupid comment. See, Sentinel, there is this thing, this portable thing that modern people carry around with them… it’s called a “phone”. It has internet. Hence, I can be ANYWHERE including on “grass”, writing this right now lol.

You people may be clowns, but at least you are funny clowns.

Insults people then cries when he gets insulted. You're such a whiny little bitch.
Anyway, I've looked a bit into your argumentation, even after your last post on me, and it's baffling how ludicrous your arguments are.
1.) You said OP is the strongest verse. That itself proves that you're probably paying Oda to suck his balls, I dunno but who legitimately thinks Luffy ain't only stronger than Naruto god tiers but also stronger than Bleach's strongest characters, including Yhwach? You are objectively biased af or stupid af or both.
2.) You seriously argue for continental Chinjao and DR Luffy. In the actual flashback, there is no hint of the ice island being a legit continent sized island. And even if it's called a continent, it doesn't mean much. Alabasta and Dressrosa are both called countries, yet the one is a large country, another one is a large island at best. Even if Luffy's continental - small planet lv/moon lv+ >>> continent lv.
3.) You keep saying "Watch the video", nobody is watching a video of a dude claiming to debunk on panel planetary feats, and it has a duration of an hour. Can't fake much when it comes to Toneri moving the moon lol. Just make a short summary of the content, it's that easy - you watched the video.
4.) You mainly argue with no limit fallacies, Luffy's blunt force resistance being a prime example. You think he can take planetary blunt force attacks? So can he take stellar ones too? Could he tank a punch from Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann? Be honest.
5.) You ignore the levels of tiers, internal damage is useful if you're dealing with an opponent of your calibre. Naruto's internals are softer than his externals, doesn't mean he cannot even take a wall level attack inside his body. Goku's internals are softer too, he even got killed by a virus. Please make sense for once, Jonny Will, and stop making shit up by starting conspiracy theories of users here being Narutotards. @Cuistot is not a Narutard and even he called out your BS.

 

[Jonny Will]

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Luffy stomps Nardo.

See how that works???

But unlike you dumbasses, I don’t run away from arguments.

Insults people then cries when he gets insulted. You're such a whiny little bitch.
Anyway, I've looked a bit into your argumentation, even after your last post on me, and it's baffling how ludicrous your arguments are.
1.) You said OP is the strongest verse. That itself proves that you're probably paying Oda to suck his balls, I dunno but who legitimately thinks Luffy ain't only stronger than Naruto god tiers but also stronger than Bleach's strongest characters, including Yhwach? You are objectively biased af or stupid af or both.
2.) You seriously argue for continental Chinjao and DR Luffy. In the actual flashback, there is no hint of the ice island being a legit continent sized island. And even if it's called a continent, it doesn't mean much. Alabasta and Dressrosa are both called countries, yet the one is a large country, another one is a large island at best. Even if Luffy's continental - small planet lv/moon lv+ >>> continent lv.
3.) You keep saying "Watch the video", nobody is watching a video of a dude claiming to debunk on panel planetary feats, and it has a duration of an hour. Can't fake much when it comes to Toneri moving the moon lol. Just make a short summary of the content, it's that easy - you watched the video.
4.) You mainly argue with no limit fallacies, Luffy's blunt force resistance being a prime example. You think he can take planetary blunt force attacks? So can he take stellar ones too? Could he tank a punch from Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann? Be honest.
5.) You ignore the levels of tiers, internal damage is useful if you're dealing with an opponent of your calibre. Naruto's internals are softer than his externals, doesn't mean he cannot even take a wall level attack inside his body. Goku's internals are softer too, he even got killed by a virus. Please make sense for once, Jonny Will, and stop making shit up by starting conspiracy theories of users here being Narutotards. @Cuistot is not a Narutard and even he called out your BS.

1) I write “lol”. I am laughing at your insults. Plus, you get mad about my insults, which come after I prove it. You are stupid and cannot debunk me and I prove it several times.

2) Again, no actual arguments, only insults. Prove it, dumbass. Prove it!

3) It literally says it is an ice continent. Can you not read??? The Japanese translation AND data book confirms this. The Jewel Ice Sheet is a CONTINENT. You think that fucking statement came from nowhere?

4) “I cannot watch a video, I cannot read, I CANNOT DO ANYTHING!!!! But I still have an opinion though, based on headcanon!” - Sentinel

5) Lol it is a property of his fruit. That is like saying that Thor’s lightning hurts Luffy, even though his fruit has an intrinsic immunity to lightning. Your argument is stupid, the physical impact wouldn’t be what kills Luffy, it would be having his galaxy blown away. Luffy still needs to breathe, idiot. Also, lol at you comparing TTGL’s punch to Naruto’s taijutsu punches.

6) Nope. Again, you ignore an argument that I have been using since the beginning. Kakashi STATES in the Chunin Exams Preliminary matches that no matter how strong your external body, you cannot train your internals. Tier gaps don’t mean shit if the character has human internal organs that can be destroyed within. (Assuming that there IS a tier gap, because AP in One Piece is still a thing).

You bring up Goku as though he helps your argument. HE IS AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE OF MY POINT. He was pierced by a minion with a small ray through the organs and he was done. He got a heart attack. Both of these things can happen to Naruto. If even Goku can succumb to damage to his insides, what the hell can Naruto do???

Naruto gets hit ONCE in the brain and dies. You cannot debunk that.

7) Even with ALL of what you wrote, you STILL didn’t address all of my arguments. You also have to lie and downplay to even have an argument. Don’t worry though. I destroyed your arguments for you.

You are the ONLY person here to actually try to argue points and look what happens… you lose. Your arguments are easily destroyed. You have very little basis for your thoughts and you EVEN HELPED me prove a point.

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Kakashi states that there is no way of strengthening internal organs.

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Naruto Chapter 79, page 8. Bottom panel with Kakashi. Read it and weep, Narutards.

I found a translation where Kakashi says “inner body”. Regardless, my point is proven.

No matter the headcanon, Luffy’s Ryuo punches are fatal to Naruto.

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You write “stop making shit up”. Fucking idiot, every single thing I wrote can be BACKED UP by the manga. Literally show me ANY statement that I made that was never shown through the manga. Show me where I “made shit up”, dumbass.

 

[Sentinel]

Luffy stomps Nardo.

See how that works???

But unlike you dumbasses, I don’t run away from arguments.

What works? You gurgling Oda's cock right now? Yep...

1) I write “lol”. I am laughing at your insults. Plus, you get mad about my insults, which come after I prove it. You are stupid and cannot debunk me and I prove it several times.

I'm not mad at you, I'm laughing at you and calling you a whiny little bitch. Keep crying.

2) Again, no actual arguments, only insults. Prove it, dumbass. Prove it!

So you're not only an extreme OP dickrider, you're also blind af.
Again: small planet lv/moon lv+ >>> continent lv. And it's even worse when it comes to Bleach god tiers, especially Yhwach. Are you a redditor? Seriously, now I kinda feel nik87's pain when debating delusional cunts like you.

3) It literally says it is an ice continent. Can you not read???

Just like Alabasta and DR being countries but with different sized. Can you not read???

4) “I cannot watch a video, I cannot read, I CANNOT DO ANYTHING!!!! But I still have an opinion though, based on headcanon!” - Sentinel

You still cannot summarize a basic argument of this video when it comes to AP/DC of Naruto god tiers...
Forget that, I already watched a few minutes and immediately regretted it. If Kaguya's feats are questionable since Sakura damaged her, what's about WB being stabbed by Squardo? Lol, anti feats are rather worthless in crossover debates.

5) Lol it is a property of his fruit. That is like saying that Thor’s lightning hurts Luffy, even though his fruit has an intrinsic immunity to lightning. Your argument is stupid, the physical impact wouldn’t be what kills Luffy, it would be having his galaxy blown away. Luffy still needs to breathe, idiot. Also, lol at you comparing TTGL’s punch to Naruto’s taijutsu punches.

1.) Wait, Comic Thor's lightning cannot hurt Luffy either? Thor's battling cosmic entities...
2.) So destroying the galaxy ultimately kills Luffy, not the physical impact of a multiversal roboter being the size of our observative universe? WHAT? This is getting worse and worse... Are you retarded?
3.) TTGL's punch was an example to show how you're using a NLF at Luffy's blunt force resistance.

6) Nope. Again, you ignore an argument that I have been using since the beginning. Kakashi STATES in the Chunin Exams Preliminary matches that no matter how strong your external body, you cannot train your internals. Tier gaps don’t mean shit if the character has human internal organs that can be destroyed within. (Assuming that there IS a tier gap, because AP in One Piece is still a thing).

I didn't ignore it, I addressed it.
Kakashi's statement is outdated unless it is also based on Naruto god tiers as well. Not to mention that Madara, without eyes and Susannoo, took a lot of blows from the Bijuus, as well as Gaara's internal attack, very well. Only his Zetsu arm got ripped off which was regenerated anyway.

He was pierced by a minion with a small ray through the organs and he was done. He got a heart attack. Both of these things can happen to Naruto. If even Goku can succumb to damage to his insides, what the hell can Naruto do???

I dunno, perhaps regenerating it???
So give East Blue Luffy Ryuo, he aims towards Naruto's head and kills him, is that your argumentation? Can you seriously tell me that you believe that crap, with a straight face, you're writing here?

Naruto gets hit ONCE in the brain and dies.

Sure, Kaido takes 100s of hits to his head, doesn't die but Naruto actually dies from a single punch to his head LMFAOOOO.

7) Even with ALL of what you wrote, you STILL didn’t address all of my arguments. You also have to lie and downplay to even have an argument.

Arguments? You call that arguments? Be glad I didn't address everything, you're already an embarrassment enough. In the middle of our argument, you started typing random garbage of TTGL's physical impact not killing Luffy.

Don’t worry though. I destroyed your arguments for you.

Sure.

You are the ONLY person here to actually try to argue points and look what happens… you lose.

At this point, I believe you were bullied and humiliated by actual Narutards or whoever hurt you like this. Can't explain otherwise why a shitstain like you suddenly joins this forum to talk trash to random people and is so smug and confident about the shit he's writing.

 

[Jonny Will]

You actually write “even if he is continental”. That was four arcs ago with the current arc granting Luffy an insane power creep lol. Luffy was stronger than Continent splitting Sai in that arc lol. He ONE SHOTTED him in the coliseum, remember???

 

[Sentinel]

I found a translation where Kakashi says “inner body”. Regardless, my point is proven.

A panel from part 1 Naruto. I can't even!

You write “stop making shit up”. Fucking idiot, every single thing I wrote can be BACKED UP by the manga. Literally show me ANY statement that I made that was never shown through the manga. Show me where I “made shit up”, dumbass.

You fucking worthless cuck, stop pretending you're just pulling out evidence when you're claiming garbage like "A physical impact from TTGL wouldn't kill Luffy, he would die because of the galaxy" or Thor unable to hurt Luffy with his lightning. Go back to the rotten corner you came from you piece of shit.

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You actually write “even if he is continental”. That was four arcs ago with the current arc granting Luffy an insane power creep lol. Luffy was stronger than Continent splitting Sai in that arc lol. He ONE SHOTTED him in the coliseum, remember???

So what? Luffy's automatically multi continent? Moon level? He needs feats to back this up or actual scaling. You're just writing random shit at this point.

 

[Jonny Will]

What works? You gurgling Oda's cock right now? Yep...

I'm not mad at you, I'm laughing at you and calling you a whiny little bitch. Keep crying.

So you're not only an extreme OP dickrider, you're also blind af.
Again: small planet lv/moon lv+ >>> continent lv. And it's even worse when it comes to Bleach god tiers, especially Yhwach. Are you a redditor? Seriously, now I kinda feel nik87's pain when debating delusional cunts like you.

Just like Alabasta and DR being countries but with different sized. Can you not read???

You still cannot summarize a basic argument of this video when it comes to AP/DC of Naruto god tiers...
Forget that, I already watched a few minutes and immediately regretted it. If Kaguya's feats are questionable since Sakura damaged her, what's about WB being stabbed by Squardo? Lol, anti feats are rather worthless in crossover debates.

1.) Wait, Comic Thor's lightning cannot hurt Luffy either? Thor's battling cosmic entities...
2.) So destroying the galaxy ultimately kills Luffy, not the physical impact of a multiversal roboter being the size of our observative universe? WHAT? This is getting worse and worse... Are you retarded?
3.) TTGL's punch was an example to show how you're using a NLF at Luffy's blunt force resistance.

I didn't ignore it, I addressed it.
Kakashi's statement is outdated unless it is also based on Naruto god tiers as well. Not to mention that Madara, without eyes and Susannoo, took a lot of blows from the Bijuus, as well as Gaara's internal attack, very well. Only his Zetsu arm got ripped off which was regenerated anyway.

I dunno, perhaps regenerating it???
So give East Blue Luffy Ryuo, he aims towards Naruto's head and kills him, is that your argumentation? Can you seriously tell me that you believe that crap, with a straight face, you're writing here?

Sure, Kaido takes 100s of hits to his head, doesn't die but Naruto actually dies from a single punch to his head LMFAOOOO.

Arguments? You call that arguments? Be glad I didn't address everything, you're already an embarrassment enough. In the middle of our argument, you started typing random garbage of TTGL's physical impact not killing Luffy.

Sure.



At this point, I believe you were bullied and humiliated by actual Narutards or whoever hurt you like this. Can't explain otherwise why a shitstain like you suddenly joins this forum to talk trash to random people and is so smug and confident about the shit he's writing.

1) This post proves how stupid you are as well as the Narutards on this thread. I will debunk you one more time, then I am done with you.

2) This quote was referencing the arguments that many Narutards in this forum, like yourself, have made. I can be just as immature as you and tell you to keep sucking Kishimoto’s cock, but that is disrespectful to him. You’re the dumbass, not him.

3) Ok lol.

4) Addressed this, idiot.

5) Country definition: a nation with its own government, occupying a particular territory.

Continent definition: any of the world's main continuous expanses of land.

Lol Google is your friend, idiot.

6) He literally addresses what you just said and disregards it as an anti-feat to appease Narutards lol. Impatient child. Watch the video.

7) Fucking prove that the properties of Luffy’s fruit are somehow not applicable or get the fuck out with your headcanon ass. It was shown time and time again with the only “anti-feats” being gags that Oda addressed in an SBS.

8) So you won’t even accept statements from the manga that you are defending because it destroys your argument??? Wow, Narutards are the worst.

9) If it does the internal destruction that is displayed in Wano, then yes, it kills Naruto. Two words: Durability Negation.

10) DIFFERENT UNIVERSES, DIFFERENT RULES. Or is a random fodder shinobi taking a 4 ton bat to the face and getting up?

11) Lol by your logic, if someone like Kizaru, whose fruit makes him completely intangible were to be hit by someone that is galaxy level physically, it would magically ignore the properties of the fruit shown to be a thing time and time again, and hit Kizaru???

12) If something has an intrinsic property, it is only through headcanon that it no longer works. If a TSB hit Goku, are you going to write that he magically tanks it???


13) So a majority of your post is insults and your points were incredibly dumb. You didn’t address my points because you couldn’t. You rely on headcanon and even ignore a statement from an experienced Jonin that is never debunked throughout the manga. You are a biased idiot who clearly has no actually logical skills and cannot argue for shit. In other words, you are just some dumb random who writes things. You bring up TTGL as though that proved ANYTHING for you. Naruto is far weaker, with a far weaker striking force.

Every single point I made can be backed up through the manga.

Every single “argument” you made is your own headcanon.

That is the difference between me and you.

Bye, dummy.

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A panel from part 1 Naruto. I can't even!

You fucking worthless cuck, stop pretending you're just pulling out evidence when you're claiming garbage like "A physical impact from TTGL wouldn't kill Luffy, he would die because of the galaxy" or Thor unable to hurt Luffy with his lightning. Go back to the rotten corner you came from you piece of shit.

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So what? Luffy's automatically multi continent? Moon level? He needs feats to back this up or actual scaling. You're just writing random shit at this point.

1) Still a part of Naruto lol. If I pull up something from Part 1 One Piece, it still rings true, plus you didn’t give a feat to prove me wrong. What a clown!

2) Lol, so no actual proof then? Thought so.

3) You wrote scaling. He DOES have scaling. In fact, he has better scaling than Naruto does. By FAR. Energy Steroids, dumbass. Chinjao says hi. Fuji’s meteor calced at Country level. It getting stopped casually by Doffy’s regular strings, Doffy’s most powerful offensive and defensive strings pierced in an instant. WB shaking islands across the Grand Line without trying and causing a Tsunami warning for Saobody (all while old, sick, and dying). Akainu and Aokiji changing the climate of their islands forever. You also ignore hax. You lose this debate, moron.

 

[T2K Baka]

Nope. Actually, it is the strongest.

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Luffy beats Naruto AND Ichigo in a 1v1. You people are braindead. Watch the video and debate me if you feel confident.

You need to stop giving Oda the gluck gluck 9000. There is no way you said OP is the strongest verse lmao.

 

[Jonny Will]

Clearly you are too stupid to actually understand any point. You are far too biased to admit that you are wrong and far to emotional to see logic. Therefore, I will keep responding to piss you off. You Narutards are jokes. Hopefully, people with actual logical sense will see this and realize that Luffy does beat Naruto and that the only arguments come from headcanon, insults, and repeated word of mouth. Lol Luffy destroys Naruto.

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You need to stop giving Oda the gluck gluck 9000. There is no way you said OP is the strongest verse lmao.

You need to stop giving Kishimoto and Kubo the gluck gluck 9000.

I did say that and I can prove it.

 

[T2K Baka]

Clearly you are too stupid to actually understand any point. You are far too biased to admit that you are wrong and far to emotional to see logic. Therefore, I will keep responding to piss you off. You Narutards are jokes. Hopefully, people with actual logical sense will see this and realize that Luffy does beat Naruto and that the only arguments come from headcanon, insults, and repeated word of mouth. Lol Luffy destroys Naruto.

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You need to stop giving Kishimoto and Kubo the gluck gluck 9000.

I did say that and I can prove it.

The fact that you said OP is stronger than Naruto and BLEACH already shows how much of a clown u are.

You need to prove how OP is stronger, especially Bleach. Nobody in OP can do anything to Yhwach, Goofy gets destroyed and so does everyone else.

 

[Jonny Will]

Narutards are braindead lol. Wow, you people are stupid! I cannot imagine waking up every day of my life being as stupid as you people are. I’m surprised you morons figure out how to use internet. Congrats! All of you hiveminded losers believe in something with no actual basis lol! Couldn’t be me! Lol keep sucking Naruto’s dick, losers. How does it feel as a group to be intellectually bested by ONE person??? Couldn’t be me lol.

Clearly this isn’t an argument or a discussion. You cannot do that with Narutards. They cannot understand logic and do not understand how versus matchups work lol.

But seriously, to not even be able to prove me wrong? You would think that in the ENTIRETY of One Piece and Naruto, there would be something to debunk my points. No, just ad hominems??? What losers lol.

I actually posted links to manga to prove my point, these Narutards have nothing on me.

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The fact that you said OP is stronger than Naruto and BLEACH already shows how much of a clown u are.

You need to prove how OP is stronger, especially Bleach. Nobody in OP can do anything to Yhwach, Goofy gets destroyed and so does everyone else.

Simple. First, prove that Bleach is light speed.

One Piece has faster than light characters.

Lol let me guess, you are one of the dumbasses who believe that Bleach is universal and that Narutoverse is weaker than Bleachverse, right??? I am not even about to go in on you lol.

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You know what??? I will entertain this. Show me Bleach’s BEST destructive feat. And Naruto’s BEST destructive feat.

Then, show me Bleach’s BEST speed feats as well as Naruto’s.

Then, I will do the same with One Piece. We only use MANGA FEATS. Anything you write, cite it.

This comment is only for people who want an honest debate.

 

[T2K Baka]

imple. First, prove that Bleach is light speed.

One Piece has faster than light characters.

Lol let me guess, you are one of the dumbasses who believe that Bleach is universal and that Narutoverse is weaker than Bleachverse, right??? I am not even about to go in on you lol.

So instead of actually providing evidence, you shift the burden of proof. Sit ur ass down.

Bleach has plenty of LS reactions such as:

Negacion, Aaroniero dodging light, Mimihagi, Auswählen, and plenty more. In terms of actually travelling LS or faster in the HST is Kizaru and Bleach god tiers (due to Hikone).

Name me a OP character travelling faster than light.

Your last thing that you wrote is just garbage and not even an argument. Bleach can be scaled from planetary minimum to universal depending on how you scale the realms. Bleach is above Naruto, this isn't an argument, but a fact. You have to have some new covid variant in your brain if you think you are making any argument right now.

Yhwach will solo both OPverse and Narutoverse by himself.

Yhwach+schrifts solos the HST

Prime Soul King solos the HST +DBZ

 

[Jonny Will]

So instead of actually providing evidence, you shift the burden of proof. Sit ur ass down.

Bleach has plenty of LS reactions such as:

Negacion, Aaroniero dodging light, Mimihagi, Auswählen, and plenty more. In terms of actually travelling LS or faster in the HST is Kizaru and Bleach god tiers (due to Hikone).

Name me a OP character travelling faster than light.

Your last thing that you wrote is just garbage and not even an argument. Bleach can be scaled from planetary minimum to universal depending on how you scale the realms. Bleach is above Naruto, this isn't an argument, but a fact. You have to have some new covid variant in your brain if you think you are making any argument right now.

Yhwach will solo both OPverse and Narutoverse by himself.

Lol Gin’s Bankai debunks a majority of what you wrote. You cannot be serious using Aaroneiro. And you just gave character names, not actual evidence.

Pretty much everyone who scales to Luffy beginning of timeskip who dodged light IN BASE and called it “slow”. Even Chopper dodged light in Wano. Lol lightspeed isn’t really special in One Piece. Rayleigh kept up with Kizaru while old and the Straw Hats (although barely) were dodging light beams from Pacifistas pre skip. I don’t even have to go into all the multipliers in One Piece.

Show me a planet being destroyed in the manga. And since you believe in the universal Bleach, show me a universe being destroyed. Not a statement. Actual proof. And show it being applicable to battle. Then show me Ichigo’s power progression and make it SOMEHOW make sense. Narutoverse is stronger than Bleach verse. It is a fact. Why, because of feats.

Hax wise, Bleach definitely outclasses both Naruto and One Piece, but it lacks quantifiable speed feats and it has very wonky scaling. The only argument I get from Bleach is something that, not only isn’t applicable in ANY other verse (Yhwach essentially removing the stabilizer of that universe to destroy it and somehow that translates to him being universal despite having no attacks on such a level and not being able to replicate that feat in any other verse (DBZ, for example, does not have a Soul Society or Soul King)), but it doesn’t actually show anything.

If we were to go with Yhwach being somehow that strong, we would have to rationalize Ichigo jumoing up an insane amount of tiers without him even acknowledging such power. Then, we would have to look at characters like Askin who fodderized him. Then we look at the Elite Sternritter who should be equal to Askin, then we look at the Captains who contended with the Elites. All of this without seeing a single planet, star, solar system, or universe destroyed. Another thing is durability, are there any durability feats that place them at such a level? If so, again, how did Ichigo bridge that gap? How did Yhwach?

When you do a versus battle, you have to use the manga and the feats and ability actually shown.

Yhwach’s ability to alter the future is limited by his sight. That is actually a pretty bad matchup against Madara, who can use limbo clones. Or someone who can blitz him.

Why am I writing all of this? It isn’t like you are going to read it anyway lol.

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Solo??? No. Let me write this: In the Big Three currently, there is absolutely NO character that can solo the other verses. Absolutely no one in all of OP, Bleach, or Naruto is soloing the others’ verses. It isn’t happening. Too many abilities. Too much hax. Too many factors. The list goes on. This I will stand on any day of the week. As of right now, it could not happen.

And I have no idea if you meant those verses individually or if you meant both verses at the same time. If you mean at the same time, then you are insane lol.

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Bro, you are a troll. You really wrote that the Soul King could solo Dragon Ball Z. Wow. There is literally no feat to suggest that. The Soul King also has not been shown to have hax, so that argument is out too. That is insane lol. I hope you were talking about Dragon Ball and not including Super. Because Zeno actually DOES solo the Big Three.

 

[T2K Baka]

Lol Gin’s Bankai debunks a majority of what you wrote. You cannot be serious using Aaroneiro. And you just gave character names, not actual evidence.

Gin's bankai doesn't disprove anything lmao. You said you finished Bleach and you know the feats, I don't need to explain more. Also Auswählen isn't a character goof. Gin's bankai means nothing since you know, it was still being reacted to by a mentally nerfed Ichigo without problems. Like you are acting as if Ichigo was struggling with it when he wasn't.

Pretty much everyone who scales to Luffy beginning of timeskip who dodged light IN BASE and called it “slow”. Even Chopper dodged light in Wano. Lol lightspeed isn’t really special in One Piece. Rayleigh kept up with Kizaru while old and the Straw Hats (although barely) were dodging light beams from Pacifistas pre skip. I don’t even have to go into all the multipliers in One Piece.

Work on your reading comprehension. I said nobody in One Piece can travel at LS except Kizaru, you haven't provided anything. Dodging does not mean being able to travel that fast.

Show me a planet being destroyed in the manga. And since you believe in the universal Bleach, show me a universe being destroyed. Not a statement. Actual proof. And show it being applicable to battle. Then show me Ichigo’s power progression and make it SOMEHOW make sense. Narutoverse is stronger than Bleach verse. It is a fact. Why, because of feats.

Please continue showing us your inability to comprehend. I said it depends on what you scale the realms, the SS, WoTL, and HM are planetary at minimum and Yhwach was in the middle of destroying them before he got stopped. It's not just a statement, it's a literal feat. Ichigo scales to Yhwach via reiatsu and being able to cut him (being relative in reiatsu means you can hurt them), Aizen being on the weakened soul king's level in his monster form and Ichigo surpassing him. Narutoverse is not stronger than Bleachverse, this is common knowledge and it takes extreme amounts of mental gymnastics to say otherwise, it's pure delusion. Bleach has feats as well, you just can't comprehend them or choose to ignore them.

Hax wise, Bleach definitely outclasses both Naruto and One Piece, but it lacks quantifiable speed feats and it has very wonky scaling. The only argument I get from Bleach is something that, not only isn’t applicable in ANY other verse (Yhwach essentially removing the stabilizer of that universe to destroy it and somehow that translates to him being universal despite having no attacks on such a level and not being able to replicate that feat in any other verse (DBZ, for example, does not have a Soul Society or Soul King)), but it doesn’t actually show anything.

At least you aren't delusional to think Bleach gets outhaxxed by the other two. Speed is above both verses as well, and it's actually more consistent in it as well. Speed covers a variety of things, not just dodging shit. Naruto's only LS feat is the Light Fang move and that's debatable in itself (if it was the beam he dodged or Madara's head swing). Negacion is verbatim called light and light in SS = light in real world the way it's set up in Bleach. This doesn't mean SS Bleach characters can travel at LS, but can react to light.

Yhwach wasn't removing the stabilizers (he is the stabilizer), he was using his power to merge everything together with his raw power. Most of the arc he was toying around with everyone once he got his Almighty and the moment he got serious, nobody was able to do anything until the arrow came in.

When examining feats, you look at context, which is something you seemed to ignore. The destruction of all 3 realms is at minimum multi-planetary to multi-universal. Kubo is letting us decide here, both are viable.

If we were to go with Yhwach being somehow that strong, we would have to rationalize Ichigo jumoing up an insane amount of tiers without him even acknowledging such power.

There's nothing wrong with Ichigo jumping all those tiers, it's consistent lore wise. He's on par with Yhwach in terms of reiatsu, it's called AP. The shit you were complaining about the entire first page vs DC. Did you suffer from memory loss? If you wanna measure DC then Ulquiorra has better DC than Aizen and Ichigo, but he's clearly weaker.

Then, we would have to look at characters like Askin who fodderized him.

Ignoring what hax is? That's literally the only way Ichigo got put down and you seem to know what Askin does. I don't need to continue any further.

Then we look at the Elite Sternritter who should be equal to Askin, then we look at the Captains who contended with the Elites.

The Elites aren't equal wtf. They only have the same elite rank, but we see Gerard and Pernida being stronger than the other two. The captains were barely able to win against the elites and Gerard didn't even lose. Mayuri doesn't scale to Pernida, and neither does the trio scale to Gerard who outclassed them.

All of this without seeing a single planet, star, solar system, or universe destroyed.

This isn't an argument. I can make the same argument for DBZ if you wanna use that from earlier. Goku is planetary at Saiyan Saga but couldn't destroy Namek unless he hit the core. Piccolo couldn't open a metal door in the android saga despite being on base Vegeta's level? You threw a tantrum over AP vs DC then decide to make the same argument you were complaining about.

Another thing is durability, are there any durability feats that place them at such a level?

Durability scales with reiatsu, you should know this. Sternritters surviving standing near 15 million degrees of heat, Kenpachi surviving the vacuum of space, plenty of good feats that you wanna ignore.

If so, again, how did Ichigo bridge that gap?

By finally being in control of his powers? You know Ichigo is a hybrid right? You did read Bleach like you claimed right? I don't need to explain all this shit.

How did Yhwach?

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Really?

When you do a versus battle, you have to use the manga and the feats and ability actually shown.

When you have a vs battle, you take the feats and examine them with the context as well. You don't just take feats and just use them. By that logic Yhwach sees all powers and negs everything and can change the future where his opponents are dead.

GG Narutoverse and OPverse. It's over.

Yhwach’s ability to alter the future is limited by his sight. That is actually a pretty bad matchup against Madara, who can use limbo clones. Or someone who can blitz him.

Madara is a bad matchup against Yhwach? Blitzing a character with omni-precog? LMAO. You are actually so delusional. He sees everything Madara does and negs his abilities then deletes his head off.

Solo??? No. Let me write this: In the Big Three currently, there is absolutely NO character that can solo the other verses. Absolutely no one in all of OP, Bleach, or Naruto is soloing the others’ verses. It isn’t happening. Too many abilities. Too much hax. Too many factors. The list goes on. This I will stand on any day of the week. As of right now, it could not happen.

Yes solo, you take the Narutovers and OPverse and he solos both of them at the same time. This isn't debatable, he haxxstomps them. They have no counter to his abilities.

Bro, you are a troll. You really wrote that the Soul King could solo Dragon Ball Z. Wow. There is literally no feat to suggest that. The Soul King also has not been shown to have hax, so that argument is out too. That is insane lol. I hope you were talking about Dragon Ball and not including Super. Because Zeno actually DOES solo the Big Three.

Again your lack of reading comprehension is showing again. I said Prime Soul King, the one that's actually at full power. The one with a stronger Almighty than Yhwach and the one who created the cosmology. I never included Super and only DBZ. Beerus still counts as DBZ and he still gets outhaxxed by him.

Hax > stats. If a hax gets overpowered by stats, then that's a weakness of that specific hax/ability, otherwise you need to show resistance to it or a way to counter it.

Nobody in the HST has an answer to Yhwach's hax and that's why he solos the other two verses

 

[Jonny Will]

Yes solo, you take the Narutovers and OPverse and he solos both of them at the same time. This isn't debatable, he haxxstomps them. They have no counter to his abilities.



Again your lack of reading comprehension is showing again. I said Prime Soul King, the one that's actually at full power. The one with a stronger Almighty than Yhwach and the one who created the cosmology. I never included Super and only DBZ. Beerus still counts as DBZ and he still gets outhaxxed by him.

Hax > stats. If a hax gets overpowered by stats, then that's a weakness of that specific hax/ability, otherwise you need to show resistance to it or a way to counter it.

Nobody in the HST has an answer to Yhwach's hax and that's why he solos the other two verses[/QUOTE]
This same dumbass had the nerve to say that I was sucking One Piece off. Lol.

This is the level of stupidity in this forum.

This dumbass writes “AP” like there is an actual feat that balances out that supposed “AP”.

Lol Gin’s Bankai was considered a big deal by Ichigo, so much so that he used his hollow mask to avoid it. 500x the speed of sound is SHIT. Not to mention that it was actually slower than that as Gin had been lying. Take Bleach’s dick out of your mouth.

When I argued AP, I used feats that make sense and with a gradual rise. You imply an exponential boost of power, without any damn feats to back it up. The best destructive feat in the manga is Gremmy’s meteor. No other, in manga feat, is close to that.

Lol at Yhwach being planetary. Show me him destroying a planet. You clearly do not know how AP works. Let me educate you. Attack Potency can be found in two primary ways: 1) by Character A tanking a certain amount of damage and character B harming character A with their normal attacks. 2) by character B being shown to casually attack at a certain level. Neither of this works for Yhwach or Ichigo. Even if you attempt to use scaling, it still doesn’t work because the on panel destructive feats cap off and unlike One Piece and Naruto’s linear progression, Bleach typically does not have tiers for the villains that they face. For example, they fought the Fullbringers after the arc prior to that had a greater threat through the Espadas.

Let’s look at Yhwach. He got his ass handed to him by Ichibei, who has no planetary feats, and then stomped him. He later casually slices through the Soul King, implying that the Soul King’s durability was trash. Let’s look at Ichigo. Ichigo went from having trouble with Quilge Opie to training and then to getting stomped by Askin to then going on to fight Yhwach. And you see absolutely nothing with how stupid you putting them at planet level with no actual planet level feat shown???

Lol “durability scales with reiatsu!!!” Proceeds to use 15 million degrees lol. Do you have any proof that it was that hot beside statements? Because if the sun were even moved a little closer to the Earth, it would kill all of us. Yamamoto’s bankai has no such feat lol. Kenpachi survived apace that was created by Gremmy’s imagination lmao, keep wanking.

By the way, moron, you mischaracterized my One Piece argument. My initial argument was that he beat Naruto with hax and speed. I only brought AP because you idiots kept shifting the goalpost back to DC.

Also, lol at you trying to use “travel speed” when that isn’t important in a fight, not that Bleach has lightspeed travel speed either. Reactions and Combat speed are the factors used in a fight, idiot. The best thing that Bleach verse can use to scale is Candice’s lightning. That is literally it. There is no actual light speed feat in Bleach. Shut your lying ass up.

Lol so the dumb Bleach tard thinks that a featless Prime Soul King is beating Zeno, who is casually erasing multiverses (each universe has different timelines as proven with Future Trunks).

And you also think that Yhwach solos Naruto verse and OP verse, he needs to SEE something to change it. He also is far slower than both verses.

Your post is hilarious. Bleachtards and Narutards, worst combination.

Lol it is so funny how with Bleach, you go off of statements but no proof, but with One Piece, you need a magnifying glass. This is exactly what pisses me off about you dumbasses. You people are open hypocrites and you are too stupid to realize it.

All of the arguments that you used against me, I can and WILL use against you. Not a single planet in Bleach has been destroyed. Their speed feats are completely lacking. You have no feats for Prime Soul King but use him in an argument anyway lol. Zeno erases Bleachverse. Yhwach dies horribly against the Naruto verse and OP verse.

And dumbass, you need to decide where the hell you personally place Bleach verse. You keep it vague to try to make it so that I won’t counter your points.

Speedblitzing is an answer to Yhwach’s hax.

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By the way, if you want to go the scaling route, let me explain the energy steroid. Every time you take one your strength is squared by two. Hody was initially stronger than Arlong, who was at least multi city block level, seeing as he casually lifted a house and threw it and also took Luffy’s punches which could hurt Buggy, who tanked a Buggy Bomb which he stated could destroy a village in one shot (which he demonstrated). Hody took at the bare minimum, 50+ pills. His AP would be in the continental range based off of that alone. So it isn’t far fetched to know that the legendary Chinjao who was famed for splitting the ice continent, was continental. Luffy that destroy Hody would obviously scale to him and I don’t even need to go into the fact that he has gotten far stronger since then. Not only that, but it is backed by the planetary WB statement which implies that the Yonko have that level of AP.

If you want to argue ACTUAL feats, then you better provide a damn good reason why we never saw a planet destroyed in Bleach, heck, we never even saw a moon destroyed. If it has, cite the manga chapter, page, AND panel.

Because it would be annoyingly long to have to go into every single character’s feats for THREE series that have 600+ chapters, I want to simplify this once again.

Let’s just discuss the main characters. We can get into the villains afterwards (especially when One Piece reaches its final arc).

Luffy vs. Naruto vs. Ichigo

Ichigo is the least versatile by far. He has no special hax. His best speed feat was blitzing a lightning user. His best destructive feat is lacking as well. You can try using Yhwach to scale him, but
1) it doesn’t change all the other disadvantages that he has against the other two
2) You would have to show Yhwach destroying a planet or someone comparable doing so.

Naruto has the most range and versatility. He also has the best DC. But his best speed feat was dodging the light fang, which is light speed. It seems safe to say that Naruto beats Ichigo in battle. It also is the general consensus as well. Only idiots try to argue this as, ability-wise, Naruto is obviously superior.

Luffy has the best hax (easily) and the best speed, as well as moderate versatility.
For Speed: He dodged light beams in base at the very beginning of the timeskip, calling it “slow”. We know from Enies Lobby that Base Luffy was contending with Blueno and got stomped by Lucci, but G2 acted as such a multiplier that he was blitzing even a hybrid Lucci. The Douriki gap between Lucci and Blueno was over four times big. Luffy closed and surpassed it in G2. So we know that FTL Beginning of Timeskip (BoT) Luffy in G2 is around 5x faster than he is in base. G2 Luffy was at a relatively equal speed to Doffy, but Doffy was blitzed by G4 (he literally disappeared from Doffy’s sight and reappeared next to him). Luffy obtained future sight and grew it to a level that rivals Katakuri’s (he could see an entire conversation in his introduction). The future sight + G4 Luffy combination was blitzed by Kaido with ease. Current Luffy keeps up with Kaido in BASE. With his multipliers, he is even faster, and G5 should be even faster than his other two forms as he has more freedom and is fast enough to run on air. It is safe to say that he has the fastest combat speed of the three.
For hax: His attacks do internal destruction without contact. No matter how much the Narutards deny it, Kakashi’s statement proves that if Naruto is hit by an internal damage attack by Luffy, it will be devastating. Mayuri does the same for Ichigo. When Szayelapporo fought against the Shinigami, him crushing lesser organs had them hurt and unable to fight. Mayuri went out of his way to remove his organs to battle him. What that fight showed was that Bleach characters have human organs and, like humans, they are vulnerable.
For versatility: Luffy now can send back energy projectiles, run an extremely long distance (multiple islands length) in a single panel while on air, see the future, and attack internals on top of his AP being calced at Multi-Continental by people who hate him.

With all of this being said, the way that I see it. Luffy would win in a fight against either of those two. Naruto would be harder, as he has versatility and range, but Luffy can close that gap. Unless Naruto is in Baryon Mode, which has the life shortening effect, his taijutsu isn’t hurting someone who is immune to blunt force. Ichigo loses because he completely lacks versatility and speed feats. He also lacks the feats that prove that he can survive too many internal attacks.

But you know what is hilarious: this really is all subjective unless the authors themselves get together and settle the debate for us.

Ultimately, I am starting to see that this conversation is going nowhere. You are going to continue to believe what you believe and I am going to continue to believe what I believe. Arguing about this crap when neither of us will change our stances will change is a complete waste of time. I’d rather have a fun discussion than an annoying one.

Writing walls of text that no one bothers to read is pretty pointless.

You people are free to keep throwing insults. The other threads on this site are a lot more interesting and fun. And remember, even if you downplay Luffy now, he still has an entire saga left. In one arc, his power jumped to the point where the general consensus is that he can fight SPSM Naruto (he beats him imo, but I am talking about the general consensus). He still has another saga that will probably be full of power creeps as well. Plus, Oda won’t have to hold back on the DC feats since almost every shonen has a final villain that wants to destroy a planet for some reason.

With Bleach, you are free to believe what you want. That verse is the weakest based on the feats that I have seen. Yhwach is pretty much the only true threat from that verse, but that is only because he is a walking no limit fallacy that needed to be beaten by the plot (Seriously, if he had just killed Ichigo instead of toyed with him, he would have won). The verse isn’t really relevant to versus discussions anymore and the only people that I argue with believe Bleach is universal with no feats to support that.

In terms of overall attributes: I’d rank them,

One Piece (most potential as it is ongoing/ second best hax/ best speed feats by far)> Naruto (best DC/ second best speed feats/ second biggest potential through Boruto)> Bleach (lowest speed feats and DC/ best hax/ vague limitations).

Feel free to disagree. Btw, I actually would have preferred Ichigo getting a stupid random power up like he did when he fought Aizen to the way that Yhwach was defeated.

 

[T2K Baka]

This is the level of stupidity in this forum.

This dumbass writes “AP” like there is an actual feat that balances out that supposed “AP”.

The only dumbass here is you, stop projecting. The feats are there, work on your reading comprehension instead of barking like a dog.

Lol Gin’s Bankai was considered a big deal by Ichigo, so much so that he used his hollow mask to avoid it. 500x the speed of sound is SHIT. Not to mention that it was actually slower than that as Gin had been lying. Take Bleach’s dick out of your mouth.

The same Ichigo who didn't even struggle with the speed. You do realize he was mentally nerfed, but still reacted to it with no problems. You seriously need to work on your comprehension.

When I argued AP, I used feats that make sense and with a gradual rise. You imply an exponential boost of power, without any damn feats to back it up. The best destructive feat in the manga is Gremmy’s meteor. No other, in manga feat, is close to that.

The best destructive feat is Yhwach merging the realms, the AP feat of keeping the realm up with reiatsu is also a thing. It's done through raw power, not a hax.

Lol at Yhwach being planetary. Show me him destroying a planet. You clearly do not know how AP works. Let me educate you. Attack Potency can be found in two primary ways: 1) by Character A tanking a certain amount of damage and character B harming character A with their normal attacks. 2) by character B being shown to casually attack at a certain level. Neither of this works for Yhwach or Ichigo. Even if you attempt to use scaling, it still doesn’t work because the on panel destructive feats cap off and unlike One Piece and Naruto’s linear progression, Bleach typically does not have tiers for the villains that they face. For example, they fought the Fullbringers after the arc prior to that had a greater threat through the Espadas.

You do realize the realms are at least planetary right? This isn't arguable. It was being lifted through reiatsu and that was matched by Aizen in his monster form and Ichigo as well. Yhwach was destroying the realms which is above anything the other two verses have.

Also there is no way you said the Fullbringers were more of a threat than the Espada lmao. You're actually a clown for that. They lost faster than the Espada did. The only Fullbringers that were strong were Ginjo, Tsukishima, and Giriko (later on in the novels).

Let’s look at Yhwach. He got his ass handed to him by Ichibei, who has no planetary feats, and then stomped him. He later casually slices through the Soul King, implying that the Soul King’s durability was trash. Let’s look at Ichigo. Ichigo went from having trouble with Quilge Opie to training and then to getting stomped by Askin to then going on to fight Yhwach. And you see absolutely nothing with how stupid you putting them at planet level with no actual planet level feat shown???

Yhwach got bodied by Ichibei before he got his Almighty and wasn't at full strength. They explicitly state that his strength wasn't fully returned and when it did, he bodied Ichibei. This isn't an argument moron.

How does casually slicing the SK by manipulating Ichigo mean the SK durability is trash, nice braindead logic there. That just means Ichigo was on the SK's level. It's that simple.

Ichigo didn't even struggle with Quilge, why are you lying? He literally bodied him the moment he went on the offense and Askin only immobilized Ichigo due to his hax. Why are you ignoring context and being disingenuous (thought I expected this from someone like you).

You THINK there is no planetary feat, when you just lack reading comprehension. It's right there in the series, go back and read. I told you what it is, yet you still can't understand. That's a you problem, not me.

Lol “durability scales with reiatsu!!!” Proceeds to use 15 million degrees lol. Do you have any proof that it was that hot beside statements? Because if the sun were even moved a little closer to the Earth, it would kill all of us. Yamamoto’s bankai has no such feat lol. Kenpachi survived apace that was created by Gremmy’s imagination lmao, keep wanking.

Durability does scale with reiatsu, this is literally basic knowledge of the series. There is nothing to lol at u moron. Asking for proof when we literally see the ability active with all that heat. The fact that all the moisture was gone and Toshiro couldn't use bankai is more than enough proof. You clearly haven't read the series or else you wouldn't be asking these stupid questions. You do realize that the heat was contained around him right? Like we see it on panel, there is no way you didn't see it.

The Gremmy thing is space, anything he imagines becomes real. There is nothing to argue here. Seek medical attention for that brain damage, it's affecting you to formulate proper thought into your responses.

By the way, moron, you mischaracterized my One Piece argument. My initial argument was that he beat Naruto with hax and speed. I only brought AP because you idiots kept shifting the goalpost back to DC.

As a verse, One Piece doesn't even have more AP than Naruto, more hax, but not AP.

Also, lol at you trying to use “travel speed” when that isn’t important in a fight, not that Bleach has lightspeed travel speed either. Reactions and Combat speed are the factors used in a fight, idiot. The best thing that Bleach verse can use to scale is Candice’s lightning. That is literally it. There is no actual light speed feat in Bleach. Shut your lying ass up.

Travel speed is still important in a fight moron and Bleach does have Lightspeed travel with the novel feats (which you definitely haven't read if you are saying Prime Soul King is featless) with Hikone and the god tiers above him. Bleach also has the reactions as well. Candice's lightning isn't anything special, she didn't even tag anyone with it, so it's not even an argument. The only one lying here is you, don't try that shit.

Lol so the dumb Bleach tard thinks that a featless Prime Soul King is beating Zeno, who is casually erasing multiverses (each universe has different timelines as proven with Future Trunks).

Again, you contiune to demonstrate that you lack reading comprehension on top of being a dishonest wanker. Please quote me where I said Prime Soul King beats Zeno. Go ahead, I'll wait for it. I said Zeno solos the big 3.

And you also think that Yhwach solos Naruto verse and OP verse, he needs to SEE something to change it. He also is far slower than both verses.

First of all, he's not slower than both verses, stop downplaying u orangutan. Second, he sees infinite futures simultaneously and understand all of it. Passively. The only active part of the Almighty is the fate manipulation which doesn't matter since he can do it while dead. There is nothing those two can do to stop him.

Your post is hilarious. Bleachtards and Narutards, worst combination.

You're in a forum biased towards OP and yet nobody other than you is saying that OP is stronger. Maybe take the time to reflect and realize that maybe you are wrong ( you clearly are). The only thing hilarious is the fact that you legit think OP is the strongest.

All of the arguments that you used against me, I can and WILL use against you. Not a single planet in Bleach has been destroyed. Their speed feats are completely lacking. You have no feats for Prime Soul King but use him in an argument anyway lol. Zeno erases Bleachverse. Yhwach dies horribly against the Naruto verse and OP verse.

Except you haven't used anything. All you've done is show how you can't read and how dishonest you are. You've blatantly ignored context, downplayed feats, and misrepresented abilities. Speed isn't lacking, I've already went through that and you never addressed my points, you just ignored them, I already addressed the AP, you lack comprehension so I can't do anything about that. Unlucky genetics I guess. Prime Soul King feats are in the novels which you haven't read, but I did mention he created the cosmology.

I never said Zeno loses to anyone, so that's not even an argument. Who said anything about Zeno losing?

And dumbass, you need to decide where the hell you personally place Bleach verse. You keep it vague to try to make it so that I won’t counter your points.

I gave you viable scaling for Bleach because it depends on how big the realms are. I was very clear about this and your dumbass struggled to understand this.

Speedblitzing is an answer to Yhwach’s hax.

Nobody in the other two verses are speedblitizng and that's not even an answer to his hax.

 

[Jonny Will]

The only dumbass here is you, stop projecting. The feats are there, work on your reading comprehension instead of barking like a dog.



The same Ichigo who didn't even struggle with the speed. You do realize he was mentally nerfed, but still reacted to it with no problems. You seriously need to work on your comprehension.



The best destructive feat is Yhwach merging the realms, the AP feat of keeping the realm up with reiatsu is also a thing. It's done through raw power, not a hax.



You do realize the realms are at least planetary right? This isn't arguable. It was being lifted through reiatsu and that was matched by Aizen in his monster form and Ichigo as well. Yhwach was destroying the realms which is above anything the other two verses have.

Also there is no way you said the Fullbringers were more of a threat than the Espada lmao. You're actually a clown for that. They lost faster than the Espada did. The only Fullbringers that were strong were Ginjo, Tsukishima, and Giriko (later on in the novels).



Yhwach got bodied by Ichibei before he got his Almighty and wasn't at full strength. They explicitly state that his strength wasn't fully returned and when it did, he bodied Ichibei. This isn't an argument moron.

How does casually slicing the SK by manipulating Ichigo mean the SK durability is trash, nice braindead logic there. That just means Ichigo was on the SK's level. It's that simple.

Ichigo didn't even struggle with Quilge, why are you lying? He literally bodied him the moment he went on the offense and Askin only immobilized Ichigo due to his hax. Why are you ignoring context and being disingenuous (thought I expected this from someone like you).

You THINK there is no planetary feat, when you just lack reading comprehension. It's right there in the series, go back and read. I told you what it is, yet you still can't understand. That's a you problem, not me.




Durability does scale with reiatsu, this is literally basic knowledge of the series. There is nothing to lol at u moron. Asking for proof when we literally see the ability active with all that heat. The fact that all the moisture was gone and Toshiro couldn't use bankai is more than enough proof. You clearly haven't read the series or else you wouldn't be asking these stupid questions. You do realize that the heat was contained around him right? Like we see it on panel, there is no way you didn't see it.

The Gremmy thing is space, anything he imagines becomes real. There is nothing to argue here. Seek medical attention for that brain damage, it's affecting you to formulate proper thought into your responses.



As a verse, One Piece doesn't even have more AP than Naruto, more hax, but not AP.



Travel speed is still important in a fight moron and Bleach does have Lightspeed travel with the novel feats (which you definitely haven't read if you are saying Prime Soul King is featless) with Hikone and the god tiers above him. Bleach also has the reactions as well. Candice's lightning isn't anything special, she didn't even tag anyone with it, so it's not even an argument. The only one lying here is you, don't try that shit.



Again, you contiune to demonstrate that you lack reading comprehension on top of being a dishonest wanker. Please quote me where I said Prime Soul King beats Zeno. Go ahead, I'll wait for it. I said Zeno solos the big 3.



First of all, he's not slower than both verses, stop downplaying u orangutan. Second, he sees infinite futures simultaneously and understand all of it. Passively. The only active part of the Almighty is the fate manipulation which doesn't matter since he can do it while dead. There is nothing those two can do to stop him.




You're in a forum biased towards OP and yet nobody other than you is saying that OP is stronger. Maybe take the time to reflect and realize that maybe you are wrong ( you clearly are). The only thing hilarious is the fact that you legit think OP is the strongest.



Except you haven't used anything. All you've done is show how you can't read and how dishonest you are. You've blatantly ignored context, downplayed feats, and misrepresented abilities. Speed isn't lacking, I've already went through that and you never addressed my points, you just ignored them, I already addressed the AP, you lack comprehension so I can't do anything about that. Unlucky genetics I guess. Prime Soul King feats are in the novels which you haven't read, but I did mention he created the cosmology.

I never said Zeno loses to anyone, so that's not even an argument. Who said anything about Zeno losing?



I gave you viable scaling for Bleach because it depends on how big the realms are. I was very clear about this and your dumbass struggled to understand this.



Nobody in the other two verses are speedblitizng and that's not even an answer to his hax.

You are wrong about so many points here.

I am only going to address a few, because we are obviously not going to agree.

“Mentally nerfed” lol. He went hollow mode to dodge it. Your claims about lightspeed were debunked. And Candice tagged a weakened Kenpachi with her lightning.

Travel speed is not important in a fight, not that it matters since Bleach’s travel speed cannot be quantified since we do not know who the Royal Guard was referring to when he gave the estimate for traveling back to the Soul Society.

Did you not read my post??? Where the hell did I write that the Fullbringers were stronger than the Eapada??? Read it again. I clearly wrote that the Fullbringers being fought AFTER the Espada shows that Bleach villains don’t have linear progression, unlike Naruto and One Piece. Learn to read.

Gremmy’s “space” is his imagination. It wasn’t like Kenpachi was literally teleported to space. That is like saying that when Gremmy summoned guns, they were real guns. Obviously they weren’t real (in the sense that they were not human made guns) or else they wouldn’t have hurt Kenpachi.

You clearly don’t know how hot 15 million degrees is if you think Yamamoto’s feats come remotely close to that level of heat.

Yhwach merging the realms isn’t a damn AP feat. It is an ability that is a part of being the Soul King. It would, in no way, be applicable to a fight in any verse other than Bleach. AP means Attack Potency. I already explained it. Show me a planet getting destroyed with an attack. You aren’t arguing ANYTHING.

I specifically wrote to show me a chapter and page for the best DC feat, because I knew that you would lie.

The same Ichigo that got dropped by Askin was on the Soul King’s level??? Lmao. Bleachtards are morons.

By the way, I specifically wrote MANGA. I have not read the damn novels. If there is any feat beyond the manga feats, I am not arguing that. I am arguing what I read in the MANGA.

You basically pointed out the limit of the Almighty, he needs to SEE you in order for it to work. If someone is far faster than him, he isn’t hitting them.

DUMBASS, READ WHAT YOU WROTE. YOU SAID DBZ. YOU DO REALIZE THAT DRAGON BALL IS A VERSE, MORON. YOU EVEN INCLUDED UNIVERSE DESTROYING BEERUS, WHO IS A “SUPER” CHARACTER. AND IF HE IS INCLUDED, THAT INCLUDES WHIS, WHO ONE SHOTTED HIM. WHAT ARE YOU EVEN ARGUING????

You mischaracterized my argument AGAIN. I did not say OP verse has better AP. They beat Naruto verse because of SPEED AND HAX. Do you not have a fucking brain??? Do you not read??? How does it feel to be so stupid???

My arguments were as follows: Luffy has internal destruction which bypasses Naruto’s defenses. Kakashi states that you cannot train internals, which is never proven wrong. Luffy is way faster than light in combat speed. Luffy can reflect Naruto’s energy emission attacks. Luffy can see the future. Therefore, Luffy beats Naruto.

That was my argument, moron. You cannot comprehend something so simple so you start trying to make my argument about DC and AP. Lol wtf. You people cannot read!

Lol “viable”. Chapter and page of the manga, dumbass.

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After reading ALL of what you wrote, I realize, once again, how much of a waste of time this is. You’re an idiot who uses a lot of headcanon, misrepresents my arguments, backtracks, and uses “sources” that I NEVER bring up (I literally fucking write “manga” multiple times). You’re the one with a lack of reading comprehension.

You are seriously are a clown. With ONE quote, you summarized what I have been saying while presenting it as your OWN argument: “As a verse, One Piece doesn't even have more AP than Naruto, more hax, but not AP.” More HAX. What is internal destruction that cannot be blocked??? HAX.

There, I finished this bullshit. Until you give me the chapter of the so called “planetary AP feat”. I am done responding to you. You would think that it would be so simple! While you are at it, link the speed feats too!

You are too lazy to watch the video and too lazy to post actual chapters. You are going off of your deluded headcanon to wank characters whose best on panel destructive feat is Large Country level.

 

[Sentinel]

1) This post proves how stupid you are as well as the Narutards on this thread.

There is no Narutard in this thread you pretentious bitch.
Those people here simply argue for the superior character with far better scaling and feats. Small planet/moon lv+ > continent. One starts at petatons, another one at exatons. Naruto's AP stat itself is 1000 times stronger than the best feats in OP.

Also, what does this post prove of my intellect? Stupid dog, can you elaborate your thoughts more carefully or did the deepthroating damaged your brain ultimately?

2) This quote was referencing the arguments that many Narutards in this forum, like yourself, have made. I can be just as immature as you and tell you to keep sucking Kishimoto’s cock, but that is disrespectful to him.

Calling you a stupid cunt is not just an argument, it is also an assessment because you have proven to be a clueless fool throwing big words when you can't back up your claims with valid (!) evidence or sane scaling when it comes to crossover battles. Kinda like a chihuahua.

3) Ok lol.

At least you accept it.

4) Addressed this, idiot.

You didn't addressed shit you lousy pussy.
Go on and address every single point accurately. Making wall of texts of random bullshit isn't "addressing everything" btw.

5) Country definition: a nation with its own government, occupying a particular territory.

Continent definition: any of the world's main continuous expanses of land.

Lol Google is your friend, idiot.

And now pull this definition on the One Piece world which is filled with countless islands. Except the Red Line, there is no land resembling a continent.

You have no idea of the actual size of the ice "continent" nor a clue how large it is compared to other islands. As I said, the OP world is mainly filled with countless islands, usually there is not such massive expanses of land, unless you can prove it.

Before you're throwing big words again, analyse carefully whether definitions like these even fit to the world building, you absolute dumb shit.

6) He literally addresses what you just said and disregards it as an anti-feat to appease Narutards lol. Impatient child. Watch the video.

Yet he formed this one as an actual argument to question her power when it comes to tiers, otherwise he wouldn't even bring this nonsense from begin with.

If I know that the "WB can't be continent level or can't have continent durability because Squardo stabbed him!" is an anti feat, I wouldn't even bring it up to discussions. Sums up how clueless you and that guy actually here. Go back to reddit to circlejerk Oda's butt.

Again, bring a summary to the video or shut the fuck up. This trash shit has a duration of an hour and I am not watching everything, dumbass...

7) Fucking prove that the properties of Luffy’s fruit are somehow not applicable or get the fuck out with your headcanon ass. It was shown time and time again with the only “anti-feats” being gags that Oda addressed in an SBS.

Of course Luffy's fruit properties are not universal to every verse because that would be a no limit fallacy. Can't believe you're this much of a nutjob to not grasp this argument. I even made an analogy with TTGL and you just owned yourself even more.

Before shouting "headcanon!!!", read this basic concept of crossover battles before you're spewing random diarrhea:

https://character-level.fandom.com/wiki/No_Limits_Fallacy

What? So Oda's only "anti feats" are intented to be gag moments? Stop holding Oda's cock for a second and try explaining to me how it remotely makes sense for Luffy to get knocked out by Apoo or hurt by Ulti's headbutt when he was later taking heavy blows from Kaido. That's a clear anti feat. And you don't need the author to spoonfed you with...

8) So you won’t even accept statements from the manga that you are defending because it destroys your argument??? Wow, Narutards are the worst.

A statement from Part 1 when the powercreep wasn't nearly as bad as EoS Naruto. Are you actually serious or did you get brain damage from snorting cocaine too much?

Again, I am not a Narutard, mf. The majority of users here are OP fans and if your IQ wouldn't be room temperature, you'd get that this is a fucking One Piece forum. Because everyone disagree with you, they're automatically xyz tards? Get the fuck out of here if it bothers you that much.

9) If it does the internal destruction that is displayed in Wano, then yes, it kills Naruto. Two words: Durability Negation.

Your stupid ass doesn't realise that Luffy's ability of internal destruction also applied to Kaido since he wanted to bypass his dragon-scales, yet his attacks were still too shallow to cause serious damage. Again, internal durability is a thing, Ryuo doesn't completely negate durability, I dunno how you came to this conclusion but get outta here with your headcanon ass.

Luffy even needed CoC PU to make his attacks more powerful - and you are here arguing with Luffy killing planetary levelled characters, fucking retard. Who let you free, you mental fuck?

10) DIFFERENT UNIVERSES, DIFFERENT RULES. Or is a random fodder shinobi taking a 4 ton bat to the face and getting up?

Jfc, you have no idea how crossover battles work. Yes, each verse has its own rules - that's why there are general RULES about CROSSOVER BATTLES to make debates MORE POSSIBLE. Thus, AP/DC, Speed, Durability, Lifting Strength, Striking Strength are used to determine stats in each verse and there are usually methods to define the stats; either by solid statements or calcs. Even if you are not fond of calcs, you form an equal platform where it is possible to let two different characters fight.

A basic concept of crossover rules:

https://universeconquest.fandom.com/wiki/Cross_Over_Rules

You are already shitting on the most important rule, not using NLFs!

When debating inverse battles, you use the concept which the author uses as well but it is impossible to use the author's rules on a different verse because this author won't and can't tell you how these abilities work on characters from different verses.
This would make crossover battles impossible to discuss, that's why you usually make every single verse in an equal ground to make it more possible.

11) Lol by your logic, if someone like Kizaru, whose fruit makes him completely intangible were to be hit by someone that is galaxy level physically, it would magically ignore the properties of the fruit shown to be a thing time and time again, and hit Kizaru???

One has blunt force resistance but is tangible, another one is intangible (elemental) and is made of light. If one with Galaxy level AP were to hit him without hax, it would go through him. Apples and oranges. How desperate...
Luffy's rubber properties fall to the limit how much his rubber is actually durable enough to tank a portion of blunt force before it is actually too much. And how ask yourself, there is a super robot capable to destroy galaxies with his punch but he can't destroy a rubber body? There is no single argument of Luffy's rubber resisting a punch from a universal robot in size.

12) If something has an intrinsic property, it is only through headcanon that it no longer works. If a TSB hit Goku, are you going to write that he magically tanks it???

Nope, Goku wouldn't tank it, TSB is hax and is matter manipulation in fact as it dissolves your atoms.
Luffy's Ryuo merely bypasses the exterior durability and attacks the inside. There is not much to it. Law's GK ignores exterior durability AND ruptures the organs and even this ability demonstrated limits when Kaido's heart wasn't ruptured by it.

By the way, Law's spatial hax also works on Goku.
Hax > AP.

13) So a majority of your post is insults and your points were incredibly dumb. You didn’t address my points because you couldn’t. You rely on headcanon and even ignore a statement from an experienced Jonin that is never debunked throughout the manga. You are a biased idiot who clearly has no actually logical skills and cannot argue for shit. In other words, you are just some dumb random who writes things. You bring up TTGL as though that proved ANYTHING for you. Naruto is far weaker, with a far weaker striking force.

Stop being such a little pussy, unbelievable how much of a coward you are. You literally started this argument by insulting people and name-calling them some sort of shit although you are just another clueless motherfucker who barks like a dog but can't back up his claims. Again, nothing wrong in being clueless but your behavior is a problem. I will ask the mod to update the multiverse battledome rules here because there is always some foolish moron coming here without knowledge - by the way, I also have more basic knowledge about multiverse battles but at least I don't screw up that far - and acts like he knows everything. Newsflash, you don't.

I don't rely on headcanon, otherwise show where I am using headcanon. You're using questionable evidence such as the statement of Chinjao splitting a "continent" although the flashback didn't highlight the entire island to be a massive continent in fact. It's not my fault that you're getting questioned here since you weren't the first one coming up with this argument, so nice try.
Again, this statement is in Part 1, Neji's internal attacks were meant to be a massive deal back then. Funnily enough, you're actually ignoring how many hits Naruto took from Neji, prior to his battle against Sasuke when he tore a huge hole into his torso with Chidori which was regenerated. Again, that's just late Part 1. Later, with the Sandaime Raikage, we even got the introduction of very hardened internal organs being as hard as steel or sth like that and the same Raikage tanked a Rasenshuriken which deals damage on cellular layer, thus even more lethal than Neji's attacks. He also tanked a teleportation travelling with speed of light which usually rips somebody's body apart. Now guess what, the 4th Raikage and Tsunade travelled with this and only received minor injuries.

You are literally a class A retard arguing about Luffy tanking a physical impact from a galaxy sized punch - and I am the "biased idiot" with no "logical skills"... But well, I introduced you some basic concepts of cross over rules in this post; I'll see how far your pea sized brain will comprehend the amount of information or whether you just call it "bullshit", lol.

Nope, you are actually the stupid random signing into a random forum to start a fuss about a multiversal match-up in which you're proven to be a fucking retard. Pot calling the kettle black.

Your statement of the TTGL analogy not proving a single thing actually PROVES your incompetence in cross over topics: You don't know shit.

Every single point I made can be backed up through the manga.

Nope, already addressed above. Try harder.

Every single “argument” you made is your own headcanon.

Headcanon:

"headcanon
Used by followers of various media of entertainment, such as television shows, movies, books, etc. to note a particular belief which has not been used in the universe of whatever program or story they follow, but seems to make sense to that particular individual, and as such is adopted as a sort of "personal canon". Headcanon may be upgraded to canon if it is incorporated into the program or story's universe. "

You don't know what headcanon is, do you?

That is the difference between me and you.

I'm glad there is a difference between you and me; I don't want to be associated with a retard with negative IQ.

1) Still a part of Naruto lol. If I pull up something from Part 1 One Piece, it still rings true, plus you didn’t give a feat to prove me wrong. What a clown!

2) Lol, so no actual proof then? Thought so.

3) You wrote scaling. He DOES have scaling. In fact, he has better scaling than Naruto does. By FAR. Energy Steroids, dumbass. Chinjao says hi. Fuji’s meteor calced at Country level. It getting stopped casually by Doffy’s regular strings, Doffy’s most powerful offensive and defensive strings pierced in an instant. WB shaking islands across the Grand Line without trying and causing a Tsunami warning for Saobody (all while old, sick, and dying). Akainu and Aokiji changing the climate of their islands forever. You also ignore hax. You lose this debate, moron.

Way too outdated as explained above. The idea of Neji's internal attacks posing a real threat to top or god tiers isn't backed up by EoS feats nor statements. He was just another irrelevant small fry when it comes to the big guys. Even in Part 1, Naruto took lots of his attacks and kept on fighting. You're not just a clown, you are the entire circus.

What proof?

You're such a deranged monkey, lmao. How does it remotely make sense to have better scaling than Moon level with CONTINENT level SCALING. Tell me please, and also tell me how many times you fell on your head when you were a baby because you're stupid af.
ENERGY STEROIDS WTF?! How's that legitimate scaling you cuck? Wait, I'm sure you're just a troll account and you are actually paroding a mindless Luffytard, are you? Because at this point, I truly hope you're just pretending to be this stupid, otherwise there is no hope left for a dumbfuck like you.
And I say no. Chinjao splitted an island until you can prove the actual size of the island being continent in size.
Still significantly weaker than Moon level. Do I have to spell it out for you to grasp that Country level is shit compared to Moon level?
Great for him, there is still no valid scaling of any OP character being planetary or sth like that. Again, one exaton is 1000 petatons. Moon level starts at roughly 30 exatons which is 30000 petatons. Multipliers don't make this much of a difference lol.
Still lacking planetary feats.
Great for them, still no planetary feats.
And Naruto doesn't have hax? He can literally take one limp of Luffy by a single touch if a TSB hits him, lol.
Interesting how I'm apparently "losing this debate" when your dumbass cannot even provide a single logical argument of Luffy > Naruto. Just let it go, wait for EoS Luffy vs Naruto or when Luffy or another OP character shows a feat more comparable to Naruto's god tiers. Antagonizing people who are sane enough to see through your bullshit isn't the way to go.

 

[Cuistot]

ENERGY STEROIDS WTF?! How's that legitimate scaling you cuck? Wait, I'm sure you're just a troll account and you are actually paroding a mindless Luffytard, are you? Because at this point, I truly hope you're just pretending to be this stupid, otherwise there is no hope left for a dumbfuck like you.

That's my theory. Guy is only on this forum ro preach his brainless takes, wonder if it's the OP's alt or some rando he summoned.

And I say no. Chinjao splitted an island until you can prove the actual size of the island being continent in size.

Thing is, even if the ice sheet was continent sized, splitting it in such a puny way would only yield like a small-ish country level result max. The highest you can wank OP to right now is multi-continental, and that's obviously still not enough for Naruto.

Gotta say though, i love the TTGL stuff or the general hypocrisy of asking to see Naruto's planet busting feats as if Luffy has any continental tier visual feats himself.

No need to relentlessly bully our boy Johnny though, in his defense, like i said on yours and Baka's profile, there are people who unironically believe Zoro can solo Bleach or Hody Jones is multi-continental, so he's far from the worst the OP fandom have to offer.

 

[Steven]

How does Naruto do anything against someone way faster than him? Luffy blitzes him with ease.

Both are relativistic+ and blitzing only works if you have a wincon.Luffy has no wincon

How does he deal with his internals being blown apart?

By tanking it,his organs has still small-planetlevel Dura,otherwise the impact of any casual attack from God-Tiers would insta blow his organs away

How does he land a hit on Luffy? Luffy has Future sight + way faster speed than Naruto.

AoE attacks or just using 1000 fucking clones and gangbang Luffy

What is Naruto’s BEST on panel destructive feat? THE ACTUAL CHARACTER.

Creating a fucking Moon

Your just a salty OP nerd

 

[T2K Baka]

“Mentally nerfed” lol. He went hollow mode to dodge it. Your claims about lightspeed were debunked. And Candice tagged a weakened Kenpachi with her lightning.

He went Hollow mod to fight Gin, it wasn't the speed itself that Ichigo went hollow mode for. He was mentally nerfed. You debunked nothing so far, you only THINK you have. Candice tagged a barely standing Kenpachi after his fight with Gremmy. That doesn't mean she scales to him moron.

Travel speed is not important in a fight, not that it matters since Bleach’s travel speed cannot be quantified since we do not know who the Royal Guard was referring to when he gave the estimate for traveling back to the Soul Society.

Travel speed is still important, and we can quantify travel speed with Hikone from the novels. You haven't read them so you can't argue anything. Hikone moved at Lightspeed and Kenpachi at base was keeping up. The only ones who scale are the god tiers.

Did you not read my post??? Where the hell did I write that the Fullbringers were stronger than the Eapada??? Read it again. I clearly wrote that the Fullbringers being fought AFTER the Espada shows that Bleach villains don’t have linear progression, unlike Naruto and One Piece. Learn to read.

Yeah I misread here, I was skimming through the text cuz you couldn't organize your responses. I was wrong for the Espada point.

Gremmy’s “space” is his imagination. It wasn’t like Kenpachi was literally teleported to space. That is like saying that when Gremmy summoned guns, they were real guns. Obviously they weren’t real (in the sense that they were not human made guns) or else they wouldn’t have hurt Kenpac

Gremmy's space that he created was real, that's his fuckin ability moron. Anything he imagines becomes real. He imagined guns and they were real, he imagined someone dead and they died, he imagines a person into existence and they came to be, unless you can prove that it wasn't real space, what he imagined was real. The novels even confirm it. Gremmy summoning special guns doesn't mean they are fake lmao. That's some braindead logic.

You clearly don’t know how hot 15 million degrees is if you think Yamamoto’s feats come remotely close to that level of heat.

You clearly don't understand the feat itself. Yamamoto was suppressed, the SS isn't Earth, and we see other supporting evidence. You haven't provided anything to counter.

Yhwach merging the realms isn’t a damn AP feat. It is an ability that is a part of being the Soul King. It would, in no way, be applicable to a fight in any verse other than Bleach. AP means Attack Potency. I already explained it. Show me a planet getting destroyed with an attack. You aren’t arguing ANYTHING.

Yhwach merging the realms is a AP feat, it's done via reiatsu which scales to their AP. He spread his reiatsu over the realms and was in the middle of destroying them. You don't understand how Bleach's mechanics work and don't understand context. How big are the realms in Bleach? Answer that.

I specifically wrote to show me a chapter and page for the best DC feat, because I knew that you would lie.

I literally showed you a DC feat, go back and read.

The same Ichigo that got dropped by Askin was on the Soul King’s level??? Lmao. Bleachtards are morons.

You're actually braindamaged. I hope that on day in the future your family genes mutate and corrects itself. Maybe your family should try to look for partners outside the family.

Anyways, how did Askin drop Ichigo? What is Askin's power? Maybe if you took the time to think, you would know why he was able to drop Ichigo. Ichigo is on the SK level, this was literally shown when he cut him down.

By the way, I specifically wrote MANGA. I have not read the damn novels. If there is any feat beyond the manga feats, I am not arguing that. I am arguing what I read in the MANGA.

If you haven't read the novels then don't make claims about them. I said the SK has feats in the novels, I explained characters from the novels and you tried to argue against it.

You basically pointed out the limit of the Almighty, he needs to SEE you in order for it to work. If someone is far faster than him, he isn’t hitting them.

Holy degenerate. What he sees is infinite futures simultaneously. His perception is beyond any speed the other two verses have you fkin moron. Unless you want to say Naruto and OP has infinite speed, then you're going beyond braindamage. You do realize that the Almighty changes the future to make it happen. He can make it where he's behind someone instantly as if he teleported (which he did against Ichigo). Nobody in Naruto or OP can do anyhting.

DUMBASS, READ WHAT YOU WROTE. YOU SAID DBZ. YOU DO REALIZE THAT DRAGON BALL IS A VERSE, MORON. YOU EVEN INCLUDED UNIVERSE DESTROYING BEERUS, WHO IS A “SUPER” CHARACTER. AND IF HE IS INCLUDED, THAT INCLUDES WHIS, WHO ONE SHOTTED HIM. WHAT ARE YOU EVEN ARGUING????

I know Dragon Ball Z is a verse, you stupid fk. I was specific when I said DBZ and not DBS. Beerus loses to Yhwach due to his hax, Whis has little feats to use. A brick means nothing to a hax machine in a cross matchup. When you do cross battles, the person needs hax resistance or a counter to the hax his opponent has, otherwise you are NLFing stats.

How does it feel to be so stupid???

I wouldn't know, I'm not the stupid one here. You should try asking yourself and reflecting on it. So how does it feel to be so stupid, do tell me.

My arguments were as follows: Luffy has internal destruction which bypasses Naruto’s defenses. Kakashi states that you cannot train internals, which is never proven wrong. Luffy is way faster than light in combat speed. Luffy can reflect Naruto’s energy emission attacks. Luffy can see the future. Therefore, Luffy beats Naruto.

Naruto has regenerated internals before, it's not gonna do shit. How is Luffy reflecting energy attacks exactly? What kind of NLF are you on. Naruto also has precog (though it's pretty trash compared to Luffy). Naruto has higher AP than Luffy, don't even start wanking G5 yet when we don't have enough info on it.

Lol “viable”. Chapter and page of the manga, dumbass.

Stop shifting the burden of proof when you provided nothing to substantiate anything for your original claims.

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No need to relentlessly bully our boy Johnny though, in his defense, like i said on yours and Baka's profile, there are people who unironically believe Zoro can solo Bleach or Hody Jones is multi-continental, so he's far from the worst the OP fandom have to offer.

That's probably my last response to him regardless. You have to wank One Piece god tiers too hard to try and get close to Naruto god tiers (which is only thing that carries the series)