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she's a disgusting plot device
don't mean i feel bad for Beast Pirates
Oda shouldn't have made Luffy warrior of liberation in same arc where their victory relies on taking other people freedom.
I don't really care about this.
It is not Tama fault. They are the reason she can't eat properly. Kaido and his army should rot in hell logically.
 
I Don't her way of fighting is gonna change much. Her first battle was just introduction. It will be same as before just this time , weapon is sentinel. Someone like Nami needs something like that tho to keep up with high tier.
It will depend on how Oda writes tho.

It is much better than asspull powerup and look my punch / fire / sword is stronger now.

Atleast it is creative. Nami battle could be amazing but of Oda writes properly.

Oda wants her to be glass cannon with high attack power that he can justify her being weaker than Monster duo.
come on Oda. Give us Nami Luffy double team against Blackbeard or Imu
 
Oda shouldn't have made Luffy warrior of liberation in same arc where their victory relies on taking other people freedom.
I don't really care about this.
It is not Tama fault. They are the reason she can't eat properly. Kaido and his army should rot in hell logically.
the thing is that i don't believe Luffy himself cares about the freedom of beast pirates
he's not as kind as people believe, he tend to not give a fuck about what happens to his enemies. "freedom" is freedom for his friends
 
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Honestly whilst I'm on it too, I kinda didn't like the SHs taking Caesar hostage but he genuinely is a piece of a shit and I have to try not to forget he experimented on children and thus ruined their lives, abused them, tried to let them die etc iirc.

I know the SH aren't meant to be completely moral, especially as pirates too, I mean just look at Franky pre SHs too but the Tama thing is a line too far for plot convenience and a stupid forced Momotaro reference.

Oda should have kept it to her taming other Beasts like Komainu and the baboon. Hihimaru? The mountain boar gods baby could have returned fully aged up and become an ally too.

Tamas DF should not be a brainwashing type thing but simply bribes people, charms them. This means they still have free will and its not guaranteed to work, it depends on the personalities of those affected and the user too.

This feels like a worse version of Nami charming, bribing and outright manipulating Zeus and also the homies. That was better written imo.

Tama is barely better than Sugar especially we don't know the limits of her DF yet and for all we know, it may have been used by a very formerly user to force Zunesha to march for its remaining lifetime.

IIRC Tamas DF still works when she's knocked out too, UNLIKE Sugars too. Tama was knocked out by Kaido and briefly lost consciousness due to Queens rage too?
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Correct didn't Luffy freed up many criminal. Hi is a friend of Mr 2 and Crocodile now
That's another part of the story where I feel Oda is a hypocrite and OP really jumped the (whale) sharks.

The OP stanbase will accept anything Oda does and vehemently defend it but even mildest criticisms and "bold opinions" get you witch hunted/harassed/mad fun of/shut down/censored etc depending where you are too.
 
Honestly whilst I'm on it too, I kinda didn't like the SHs taking Caesar hostage but he genuinely is a piece of a shit and I have to try not to forget he experimented on children and thus ruined their lives, abused them, tried to let them die etc iirc.

I know the SH aren't meant to be completely moral, especially as pirates too, I mean just look at Franky pre SHs too but the Tama thing is a line too far for plot convenience and a stupid forced Momotaro reference.

Oda should have kept it to her taming other Beasts like Komainu and the baboon. Hihimaru? The mountain boar gods baby could have returned fully aged up and become an ally too.

Tamas DF should not be a brainwashing type thing but simply bribes people, charms them. This means they still have free will and its not guaranteed to work, it depends on the personalities of those affected and the user too.

This feels like a worse version of Nami charming, bribing and outright manipulating Zeus and also the homies. That was better written imo.

Tama is barely better than Sugar especially we don't know the limits of her DF yet and for all we know, it may have been used by a very formerly user to force Zunesha to march for its remaining lifetime.

IIRC Tamas DF still works when she's knocked out too, UNLIKE Sugars too. Tama was knocked out by Kaido and briefly lost consciousness due to Queens rage too?
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That's another part of the story where I feel Oda is a hypocrite and OP really jumped the (whale) sharks.

The OP stanbase will accept anything Oda does and vehemently defend it but even mildest criticisms and "bold opinions" get you witch hunted/harassed/mad fun of/shut down/censored etc depending where you are too.
Nobody cares about someone else's opinions so it is not worth being triggered by it. Just stop giving bold opinions which nobody gives a shit about and life a wonderful life. :pepelit:
 
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Honestly whilst I'm on it too, I kinda didn't like the SHs taking Caesar hostage but he genuinely is a piece of a shit and I have to try not to forget he experimented on children and thus ruined their lives, abused them, tried to let them die etc iirc.

I know the SH aren't meant to be completely moral, especially as pirates too, I mean just look at Franky pre SHs too but the Tama thing is a line too far for plot convenience and a stupid forced Momotaro reference.

Oda should have kept it to her taming other Beasts like Komainu and the baboon. Hihimaru? The mountain boar gods baby could have returned fully aged up and become an ally too.

Tamas DF should not be a brainwashing type thing but simply bribes people, charms them. This means they still have free will and its not guaranteed to work, it depends on the personalities of those affected and the user too.

This feels like a worse version of Nami charming, bribing and outright manipulating Zeus and also the homies. That was better written imo.

Tama is barely better than Sugar especially we don't know the limits of her DF yet and for all we know, it may have been used by a very formerly user to force Zunesha to march for its remaining lifetime.

IIRC Tamas DF still works when she's knocked out too, UNLIKE Sugars too. Tama was knocked out by Kaido and briefly lost consciousness due to Queens rage too?
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That's another part of the story where I feel Oda is a hypocrite and OP really jumped the (whale) sharks.

The OP stanbase will accept anything Oda does and vehemently defend it but even mildest criticisms and "bold opinions" get you witch hunted/harassed/mad fun of/shut down/censored etc depending where you are too.
In my case I don't want Luffy and strawhats to be good guy but rather some evil people that actually end up doing good shit occasionally.

That's why I don't really have problem with whole brainwashing thing but main problem is how Oda has started treating Strawhats as saviour, then it all feels hypocritical.

It's fine if strawhats acts hypocritical but it's another case if story itself try paint it as something it isn't.
 
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Absouletley disgusting plot device. I am not gonna argue on the "ethics" of what her ability is... That being said there is a certain irony in the fact that the Beats pirates who were a occupying force of a nation and who enslaved and took pleasure in tormenting and abusing its citizens are now being enslaved to do good.
That's exactly my point but @Wiwi insisted on passive aggressively insulting me and using an ugly soyjack redditor to imply that's me too, for simply arguing that.


Fucking pathetic behaviour. Most rational/tolerant OP fan right there too. Or "least crazy".
 
Gigachad Aisa with future sight
Peak Chimney , laughs way cuter than Toko
Mocha saves the day while Nami, Robin and Chopper couldn't.

Momo gets Vegapunk special devil fruit and +20 years boost, still too whiny. Tama with slave DF , gets slapped by Ulti.
Tama is the reason they could turn on the tides against the Flyers and Beast Pirates in general.

Jinbei/Franky were getting outnumbered by Headliners/Gifters for example.
 
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