Character Discussion Dark King Rayleigh and King of Hell Zoro, right hand men of the Pirate Kings
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Zoro’s and Luffy’s dynamic is not specially unique among the crew. Yes, there are things that set it apart from the others, just as there are things that set Usopp’s and Luffy’s dynamic apart.
In terms of strength, then yes. But in terms of character, then no not really. Yes, they have similarities, but Luffy has similarities with every Strawhat
Most of these are just Luffy and Zoro standing next to each other or doing something vaguely similar. This is some of the most surface level shit I’ve ever seen
In terms of strength, then yes. But in terms of character, then no not really. Yes, they have similarities, but Luffy has similarities with every Strawhat
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Really really interesting. We all thought that "Dark King", Rayleigh's nickname, and "King of Hell", Zoro's nickname, were very similar. But it seems that they are actually the same thing, basically.
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Big thanks to @T.D.A for noticing and sharing this.
It's the umpteenth parallel shared between Rayleigh and Zoro, as the right hand man of the past Pirate King and the right hand man of the future Pirate King.
With the Wano Arc, Zoro is confirmed to not be just a simple underling, but a king in his own way.
Unlike the other Strawhats, Zoro isn't a mere follower: he is a king who partners with another king.
That's why Zoro and Luffy are referred as PARTNERS. Just like Rayleigh and Roger, obviously.
Remember all those panels where Zoro is thought to be the real captain of the Strawhats? Or where people wonder why he isn't the captain, or why he isn't the captain of his own crew? Now everything makes sense.
That's because Zoro is a CONQUEROR. He is a KING in his own way (King of Swordsmen).
Just like Luffy is a CONQUEROR and a KING in his own way (King of Pirates). The both of them also unlocked Advanced Conqueror Haki, the strongest Haki that Kaido called the power of the strongest ones, the power that "only a handful of the very strongest can", in a world where "Haki... it surpasses all".
Exactly like Rayleigh was a Conqueror and a King just like Roger was a Conqueror and a King.
We have now blatant confirmation that Zoro = Rayleigh and Luffy = Roger
It was obvious, but some people still doubted. It was so comical, and so delusional as well: Rayleigh has blonde hair, Rayleigh likes girls, Rayleigh used kicks... LMAO
Now it's clear as day. Luffy is the Future King of Pirates, the new Gol D Roger, while Zoro is the Future World Strongest Swordsman and the New Generation Dark King, the Right Hand of the King of Pirates, the new Silvers Rayleigh.
Rayleigh is also absolutely confirmed to be a swordsman.
Now all makes sense. Because both of Luffy and Zoro are Conquerors and Kings on their own (not all the Conquerors are also Kings!) like Roger and Rayleigh. Destined to excel to the top of the world, and strong willed enough to do so, unlike the other Strawhats.
Two Kings advancing for their future titles. Two Conquerors who will seat on the top of the world.
They march together in front of the Strawhat crew.
Tell me if doesn't strike as the same of this...
Yeah, it's the same.
A King advancing together with his Dark King.
Making Zoro a Conqueror and a King, but in the meantime someone who as strong and as indipendent as he is still willingly decides to follow someone else, the author showed how great is Zoro's devotion to Luffy.
See? Exactly like Whitebeard wondered how Oden could join him, as he is the kind of guy who leads, not the one who follows others. Also Whitebeard made a reference to the many Conqueror Haki users in Rocks Crew, the same thing to which Kaido will make a reference as well, about how Conqueror Haki users aren't people prone to follow others.
No wonder that then when people see Zoro they immediately think that the swordsman should be the leader of his own crew or the leader of the Strawhat.
But that doesn't matter, Zoro prefers to follow Luffy. Why? Very differently from the others, Zoro's strength is extremely close and comparable to his captain's one. Zoro doesn't follow Luffy out of need, like the others, but because of the spontaneous trust that he has in him.
Even if, as already showed, Zoro is the kind of guy who dominates, not the one who follow others. It's just that his devotion to Luffy is that intense. More than a Right Hand Man, more than a First Mate; more like a brother.
That's also why Oda had the two of them share so many parallels: strength, power ups, backgrounds, goals, benchmarks.
Luffy and Zoro make the best duo ever. Captain and Right Hand Man/Number Two/First Mate, for life.
Like it or not, the amount of different times and different ways where Zoro is put close to Luffy is gargantuan. The sheer number of those comparisons is astonishing, it screams loud, like the absolute absence of the same closeness between Sanji and Luffy, screams loud as well
... but in the opposite way, because there's zero of them.
No wonder that we have this.
You all know that the strongest Strawhat bar Luffy is Zoro. And if by chance you didn't know... Oda just stated this in SBS 102. No equals, no peers, no Wings, no shit... just an undesputable number two which is Zoro, with no one close enough to make this ambiguous.
Zoro who, coincidentally, is also Luffy's Right Hand Man and the only Strawhat whose strength compares to Luffy's, who has similar traits, powers and goals to Luffy; they as a duo of Captain/Number Twos are consistently paralleled with other duos of Captains/Number Twos, and Zoro alone by himself is paralleled to these guys by themselves.
Source? Just click below the SPOILER and enjoy. The amount of material proving this is gargantuan.
@Finalbeta @T.D.A @Zowo @yorosenpai @ConquistadoR @Fenaker @The White Crane @kumae @Geo @Sentinel @Orojackson Refugee @Peroroncino @Redboy776 @Rekien @Sword God Ryuma @nik87 @Manos. AsuraZoro @bennbeckman @mly90 @Akagami Law @style @Sanji D Goat @Marimo_420 @Shishi @Geo @Money D Malio @ShadowStyle369 @matt245
:cheers:
Big thanks to @T.D.A for noticing and sharing this.
It's the umpteenth parallel shared between Rayleigh and Zoro, as the right hand man of the past Pirate King and the right hand man of the future Pirate King.
With the Wano Arc, Zoro is confirmed to not be just a simple underling, but a king in his own way.
Unlike the other Strawhats, Zoro isn't a mere follower: he is a king who partners with another king.
That's why Zoro and Luffy are referred as PARTNERS. Just like Rayleigh and Roger, obviously.
Remember all those panels where Zoro is thought to be the real captain of the Strawhats? Or where people wonder why he isn't the captain, or why he isn't the captain of his own crew? Now everything makes sense.
That's because Zoro is a CONQUEROR. He is a KING in his own way (King of Swordsmen).
Just like Luffy is a CONQUEROR and a KING in his own way (King of Pirates). The both of them also unlocked Advanced Conqueror Haki, the strongest Haki that Kaido called the power of the strongest ones, the power that "only a handful of the very strongest can", in a world where "Haki... it surpasses all".
Exactly like Rayleigh was a Conqueror and a King just like Roger was a Conqueror and a King.
We have now blatant confirmation that Zoro = Rayleigh and Luffy = Roger
It was obvious, but some people still doubted. It was so comical, and so delusional as well: Rayleigh has blonde hair, Rayleigh likes girls, Rayleigh used kicks... LMAO
Now it's clear as day. Luffy is the Future King of Pirates, the new Gol D Roger, while Zoro is the Future World Strongest Swordsman and the New Generation Dark King, the Right Hand of the King of Pirates, the new Silvers Rayleigh.
Rayleigh is also absolutely confirmed to be a swordsman.
Now all makes sense. Because both of Luffy and Zoro are Conquerors and Kings on their own (not all the Conquerors are also Kings!) like Roger and Rayleigh. Destined to excel to the top of the world, and strong willed enough to do so, unlike the other Strawhats.
Two Kings advancing for their future titles. Two Conquerors who will seat on the top of the world.
They march together in front of the Strawhat crew.
Tell me if doesn't strike as the same of this...
Yeah, it's the same.
A King advancing together with his Dark King.
Making Zoro a Conqueror and a King, but in the meantime someone who as strong and as indipendent as he is still willingly decides to follow someone else, the author showed how great is Zoro's devotion to Luffy.
See? Exactly like Whitebeard wondered how Oden could join him, as he is the kind of guy who leads, not the one who follows others. Also Whitebeard made a reference to the many Conqueror Haki users in Rocks Crew, the same thing to which Kaido will make a reference as well, about how Conqueror Haki users aren't people prone to follow others.
No wonder that then when people see Zoro they immediately think that the swordsman should be the leader of his own crew or the leader of the Strawhat.
But that doesn't matter, Zoro prefers to follow Luffy. Why? Very differently from the others, Zoro's strength is extremely close and comparable to his captain's one. Zoro doesn't follow Luffy out of need, like the others, but because of the spontaneous trust that he has in him.
Even if, as already showed, Zoro is the kind of guy who dominates, not the one who follow others. It's just that his devotion to Luffy is that intense. More than a Right Hand Man, more than a First Mate; more like a brother.
That's also why Oda had the two of them share so many parallels: strength, power ups, backgrounds, goals, benchmarks.
Luffy and Zoro make the best duo ever. Captain and Right Hand Man/Number Two/First Mate, for life.
Like it or not, the amount of different times and different ways where Zoro is put close to Luffy is gargantuan. The sheer number of those comparisons is astonishing, it screams loud, like the absolute absence of the same closeness between Sanji and Luffy, screams loud as well
... but in the opposite way, because there's zero of them.
No wonder that we have this.
You all know that the strongest Strawhat bar Luffy is Zoro. And if by chance you didn't know... Oda just stated this in SBS 102. No equals, no peers, no Wings, no shit... just an undesputable number two which is Zoro, with no one close enough to make this ambiguous.
Zoro who, coincidentally, is also Luffy's Right Hand Man and the only Strawhat whose strength compares to Luffy's, who has similar traits, powers and goals to Luffy; they as a duo of Captain/Number Twos are consistently paralleled with other duos of Captains/Number Twos, and Zoro alone by himself is paralleled to these guys by themselves.
Source? Just click below the SPOILER and enjoy. The amount of material proving this is gargantuan.
@Finalbeta @T.D.A @Zowo @yorosenpai @ConquistadoR @Fenaker @The White Crane @kumae @Geo @Sentinel @Orojackson Refugee @Peroroncino @Redboy776 @Rekien @Sword God Ryuma @nik87 @Manos. AsuraZoro @bennbeckman @mly90 @Akagami Law @style @Sanji D Goat @Marimo_420 @Shishi @Geo @Money D Malio @ShadowStyle369 @matt245
Careful now though, you'll get users come at you with "das nut wat jabaniis cay reeli"
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The Nonce brigade clearly got triggered. Go make a wings thread about your favourite sexual harassment merchant and stop crying ffs
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I know you're low on neurons when it comes to Zoro. But you should know how to read at least.
Zoro not only fought with Kaido, but he also fought alongside Luffy and three other Supernovas against two Yonkos and achieved great feats.
But if you are happy with it then at your judgment Raizo > Sanji. (That's what you say, not me.)
Does it hurt when they use your judgment to kick your ass? That's what happens when you have shit judgment.
Zoro not only fought with Kaido, but he also fought alongside Luffy and three other Supernovas against two Yonkos and achieved great feats.
But if you are happy with it then at your judgment Raizo > Sanji. (That's what you say, not me.)
Does it hurt when they use your judgment to kick your ass? That's what happens when you have shit judgment.
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The meaning is well explained, it's a reference to the Lord of the Underworld in the greek mitology, which is a ruler in the shadow.
Zoro, the moon, to Luffy, the sun. Dark King/King of Hell is also a reference to Enma which is another name for Yama.
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/zoro-and-enma-since-chapter-265.20502/
Zoro, the moon, to Luffy, the sun. Dark King/King of Hell is also a reference to Enma which is another name for Yama.
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/zoro-and-enma-since-chapter-265.20502/
The gap imo was necessary because there's nothing oda can give Zoro that would match 1 v 1 the imo strongest character. Oda did Zoro justice by showing with his pu king was no where near him. Oda give Zoro enough to put him in the top tier range just not right next to Luffy. Zoro also didn't show everything he's got and he still has a window for pu's in wano like the nidai, grim reaper, and black blade. Imo the current gap is like the gap from EL where Luffy took a clear leap ahead but by the very next arc once Zoro shown all he could do he was right back by Luffy. Imo by the next arc it will be Luffy >= Zoro again as I think he masters Enma and CoC and gets the nidai at the very least. If KoH state zoro is the new base or standard Zoro just him regularly fighting is in top tier range add asura, and any new techniques and he's ready to fight mihawk.
Yeah now I feel that it's Luffy >> Zoro >> Sanji >> the rest
Luffy mid diffs Zoro
Zoro mid diffs Sanji
Sanji gets no diffed by Luffy
The rest doesn't matter
Wait no, with Cringe Princess Yamato joining
Luffy >> Zoro > Yamato > Sanji >> the rest
Luffy mid diffs Zoro
Zoro high diffs Yamato
Yamato mid/high diffs Sanji
Sanji gets no diffed by Luffy and mid diffed by Zoro
The rest still doesn't matter
Luffy mid diffs Zoro
Zoro mid diffs Sanji
Sanji gets no diffed by Luffy
The rest doesn't matter
Wait no, with Cringe Princess Yamato joining
Luffy >> Zoro > Yamato > Sanji >> the rest
Luffy mid diffs Zoro
Zoro high diffs Yamato
Yamato mid/high diffs Sanji
Sanji gets no diffed by Luffy and mid diffed by Zoro
The rest still doesn't matter
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