Powers & Abilities Wado Ichimonji and Enma

#42
And what did you understand about the statement I said ?
Here
You said “People saying Zoro needs to train to get a handle of Enma. But watch my mine get a grasp of it in 1 day because of Ichimonji and pretty much get a PU. People still will be saying he had to work hard lol”

So you said he doesn’t need to train really because Wado Ichimonji somehow gives him Enma controlling powers and he doesn’t need hard work

Am I reading what you said up there correctly?

That Tenguyama didn’t just say Zoro’s whole training career with Wado Ichimonji is itself not what’s helped Zoro reach this level since he’s familiar with a similar sword. And Zoro doesn’t need hard work for some reason yet he’s already trained 5 days and there’s no sign that he’s mastered the sword yet but you’re saying he needs one day???

In fact, Tenguyama literally starts the chapter by saying “This Blade is on the same level as Shusui” and it’s a Zoro who says “I’llbecome stronger BECAUSE I’ve managed to control this sword” not “I’ll become stronger BECAUSE I have this sword”

Please, help me understand what you’re going for since the way I read your post was YOU COMPLETELY MISUNDERSTOOD the chapter
 
#43
Ok fine.



Bullshit headcannon.

No he wasnt...he has potential to be that lvl of Oden. The familarity of Wado is helping in helping get to grasp with Enma. He will master before the FF. Wado helps him in learning how use such blades.

It wont take him long to reach that lvl. But then again it doesnt matter since Kaido will low diff him since he aint gonna let the same shit work twice.

Lmao Luffy gonna come in and give him Sanji's speech to Usopp. Hes gonna tell Zoro that he will do what he cant do. And Luffy will then defeat Kaido:gokulaugh::milaugh:
Zoro going to cut Kaido, if you dint realize that by now your delusional.
 
#45
No. Hes near oden level already.
Tengu said none before or AFTER oden have been able to use it. For someone to be able to they need to be on a similar level.
And you know this because ? I interpret as the sword sensing Zoro's potential.

What I am trying to say: The sword is a PU....point blank Periodt. Just like G4 is a PU....Just like RS is a PU. If it makes them stronger than they would be without it.....it is a PU. Sure Zoro will need to carry on practising with it to bring out the full potential with the sword, however his familarity with Ichimonji will make it a lot more easier. Done thats all I have to say.

Zoro going to cut Kaido, if you dint realize that by now your delusional.
sigh.....ok:seriously:
 

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#46
And you know this because ? I interpret as the sword sensing Zoro's potential.



What I am trying to say: The sword is a PU....point blank Periodt. Just like G4 is a PU....Just like RS is a PU. If it makes them stronger than they would be without it.....it is a PU. Sure Zoro will need to carry on practising with it to bring out the full potential with the sword, however his familarity with Ichimonji will make it a lot more easier. Done thats all I have to say.


sigh.....ok:seriously:
Because he specifically states non after could tame it. Odens been dead for 20 years.
Zoro is above all the scabbards just by being able to use enma.
 
#48
Well no... Gear Fourth is trained for to obtain... Enma is trained for to master... Raid suit is Raid suit
G4 is considered a PU. So is G2/G3. They are all PU regardless of training or not. However there is difference when the PU is given to you or when you train for it.
 
#51
Zoro received Enma 5 days before the festival.
By the way, Zoro has tremendously improve in less than 1 day to control Enma.

Oda starts by showing how Zoro is struggling with Enma

Zoro tried to cut a tree with Enma and he cound't. Instead he cut the whole cliff. Enma was draining to much Ryu without the willing of Zoro but right after he was able to call back his Ryu. There are three points to be aware:
If you want to use Enma, you need an insane amount of Hacky; Hitetsu said that any normal swordsman would become dust by just wielding Enma.
Zoro need to have a lot will-power and be able to focus to call back his Ryu. I am not sure why Oda decided to focus on Zoro's eyes for that process (maybe something relate CoC but that is an other topic).
And the last point is that Oden was the only one in Wano to use Enma. In 20 years no-one was able to use this sword. That mean that all current samurai even the powerful one can't use this sword.

In that panel, Kamawastu was extremely impressed by Zoro. Dont forget that Kamawastu is the strongest wrestler in Wano (one of the nine scabban), the one that protected Hyori in her childhood. He survived for 15 years in a prison with almost no food just by his will-power.)

So to conclude Zoro was able to call back his Ryu but he failed to follow the rule of the swordsman which is to cut only whatever he wants to cut.



Now, I am not sure how many hours later this scene take place but I think that it less than one day.

As you can see, Zoro is using Enma and if you see the bamboo plants they are cut in way that they are not falling down. Zoro is clearly using Enma and that mean he is able to control the amount of Ryu and to follow the rule of swordsman which is to cut only whatever he wants to cut.

This point for me is so important because this is the moment in which Zoro proves the same mastery that Oden had with Enma. They are both able to tame Enma.


Now we know that Zoro was training for more days, my question is how strong did Zoro become?
 
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#52
Zoro received Enma 5 days before the festival.
By the way, Zoro has tremendously improve in less than 1 day to control Enma.

Oda starts by showing how Zoro is struggling with Enma

Zoro tried to cut a tree with Enma and he coun't. Instead he cut the whole cliff. Enma was draining to much Ryu without the willing of the owner but right after Zoro was able to call back his Ryu. There are 2 point to be aware: If you want to use Enma, you need an insane amount of Hacky; Hitetsu said that any normal swordsman would become dust by just wielding Enma. Secondly Zoro has to have a lot will-power and be able to focus to call back his Ryu. I am not sure why Oda decided to focus on Zoro's eyes for that process (maybe something relate CoC but that is an other topic).

In that panel, Kamawastu was extremely impressed by Zoro. In fact he could stop the process of Enma that was draining Zoro Ryu. (Dont forget that Kamawastu is the strongest wrestler in Wano (1 of the 9 scabban), the one that protected Hyori in her childhood. He survived for 15 years in a prison with almost no food just by his will-power.)

So to concluede Zoro was able to call back his Ryu but he failed to follow the rule of the swordsman which is to cut only whatever he wants to cut.



Now, I am not sure how many hours later this scene take place but I dont think that it past one day.

As you can see, Zoro is using Enma and if you see the bamboo plants they are cut in way that they are not falling down. Zoro is clearly using Enma and that mean he is able to control the amount of Ryu and to follow the rule of proficiancy swordman which is to cut only whatever he wants to cut.

This point for me is so important because to me this is the moment in which Zoro shows to have the same mastery that Oden had with Enma. They are both able to field Enma and control the amout of Ryu necessary for cutting/not cutting whatever they want.



Now we know that Zoro was training for more days, my question is how far and strong did Zoro become?
Oh yeah you’re right... I missed that
 
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