General & Others They might not solo YC1/2 this arc

Jo_Ndule · Mar 22, 2020

Let's start :
Currently, Luffy is way ahead of them both, they cant close the gap ever with just enma/RS. Just cause Luffy is now facing Yonko doesnt mean they need to solo YC1/2 this arc.

Zoro & sanji arent Rayleigh/Oden, people should start accepting this.
BM despite being clearly above Katakuri, yet needs to remind Kata his place.
Can you imagine WB feeling threatened by Wano/elbaf Zoro/Sanji presence as young Oden? Never!
There is a reason why Ray is linked to Luffy and trained him not Zoro/Sanji.

"But Zoro clashed fuji a bit/Sanji blocked BM" yeah even Rakuyo clashed Kizaru and wasn't Koed. Killer also fought kaido till he collapsed yet he never impressed Kaido like Kidd did.
A veteran can also stall/clash a top tier for some short time

Zoro & Sanji might not even fight King and queen this arc.
Oda doesnt care much about who their fight as long as Luffy grows to be solid top tier, the rest can catch up to be YC in later arcs. This is the dude that keeps feeding Luffy fights and haki training while giving the others meh fights

Do you think any of them will seriously solo YC1/2 this arc? If so, then who will they fight if Luffy ever fight BM after wano? YCs? Then vs BB? YCs again? So for 2/3 arcs they'll be only fighting YCs as main opponents?
you guys expecting Zoro Sanji have YCs as main opponents in 2/3 arcs... what's the point there even, doesn't it sound boring.

Will Zoro & Sanji fight a YC level dudes this arc ? Yes but Zoro finale wont be King, Sanji wont be Queen.
I'm not ashamed if I'm proven wrong in the future. (Kyoushiro being Zoro opponent already failed)

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Lion of Olympus · Mar 22, 2020

I have no idea, nowadays I don’t think Oda cares unless Luffy gets to shine lol

Ace · Mar 22, 2020

Big mom was not threatened by Kata lol. More so disrespected

Reborn · Mar 22, 2020

Zoro is soloing king and will participate in fight against Kaido

Quote this post because This will happen... regardless of some will like it or not

Aknolagon · Mar 22, 2020

Jo_Ndule said:

But at the same time, you think Kidd is luffy's lvl. Can you imagine Wb threatened by kidd presence ? Lol!

At least Zoro's has good portrayal. Mihawk, kuma respect him so much. Kizaru said he heard zoro was really good. He looked really good against an admiral. Even for a movie, they used Zoro against Fujitora in 1 vs 1 again. He is part of WG, so the world knows how dangerous he is gonna be. Zoro's novel, we read people are starting to compare zoro to the strongests.

Actually one thing, you clearly don't want to accept is that Zoro will be top tier end of one piece.
If we are at close to end, how he supposed to go from yc3 or yc4 to top tier lvl in one or two arcs ?

People who are saying now he is yc4 but end of wano he will be over Oden or yc1 are amazing. How ? As you said just enma is not enough because Zoro is already near that yc1 lvl. So king is the perfect choice.

For now with the alliance, kid/law/luffy are for kaido. Who takes king ? Queen ? Jack ? The 9 samurais while most of them just jumped 20 years after ? Only denjiro, ashura and inu/neko looks good but you think they gonna fight the calamities and not the main characters ? And you have still BMP!!
Editors, Oda needs to sell one piece manga, so if they let one arc characters to fight villains, no one will buy it considering zoro and sanji fanbase. So don't worry for 100% sure, zoro and sanji will face YC.

Trafalgar_D_Law · Mar 22, 2020

Zoro vs King could turn into 1 of the biggest meme in one piece history. If zoro doesn't beat king solo this arc. Zoro fand probably rage quit the manga

Law/Kid both probably definitely fight YCs, Oda has no choice but to justify there strength now. Or there kaido involvement becomes questionable. His fault for doing such a shit job, now everybody needs fights. But Theres only but so many commanders to go around.

Hopefully he can find some way everybody gets there nut off!!!

Aknolagon · Mar 22, 2020

Trafalgar_D_Law said:

Don't worry Zoro will fight king. There is also the 6 flying, others WG, numbers who look really dangerous, calamities, fodders, kaido and also BMP.

If law doesn't fight kaido, i expect him to fight smoothie or daifuku.

But still who takes or at least stalemate BM ? The Navy or Marco ?

there will be lots of L at the war lol!

Trafalgar_D_Law · Mar 22, 2020

Aknolagon said:

All signs currently point to it. If we being real tho for Law/Kid/Sanji/ an Zoro fans its commanders or bust at this point.

Why would laws arc fight be daifuku? Hes clearly been portrayed noticeable above that lvl. Tho smoothie i can see leading up to kaido.

BB to complete the prophecy.
luffy
law
kid
bb
zoro
drakes
Hawkins
apoo
killer
make the nine or so i believe....

Sure, hopefully everybody can eat first tho!!!

sanjikun · Mar 22, 2020

Why do we keep debating blatantly obvious shit...First, whether Zoro's main fight was Orochi, when he was clearly a fodder. Secondly, whether Kyoshiro was Zoro's main fight, when he was clearly an ally of Hiyori/Denjiro. Now STILL people refuse to see that King/Queen are literally the Kaido equivalent of Zoro/Sanji.

I mean Sanji literally beat a guy sent over by Queen...Queen has beef with Osoba Mask.

Aknolagon said:

Daifuku is not even as strong as Vergo. Why the fuck would Law fight him? In WCI, Vergo > Sanji > Daifuku.

Aknolagon · Mar 22, 2020

sanjikun said:

Because calamities are for zoro, sanji, dukes.
So the next strongest force are BMP who are Smoothie, Daifuku or Perospero. So choose one.
Either that or he will defeat kaido together with luffy and kidd. But oda is not good at tag teaming. The only case was Oz and it was just for one chapter.

Trafalgar_D_Law said:

Interesting :zorothink:

Jo_Ndule · Mar 22, 2020

Trafalgar_D_Law said:

There's only 4 commanders by rank this arc.

Ashura Dukes Denjiro Zoro Sanji Law Kidd all need a YC battle.
and even Luffy might get a warm up.

sanjikun said:

Since whem was Vergo above Daifuku? Daifuku didnt even go all out.

Also, Orochi is vet level, his fruit hybrid might make him high tier. Zoro plot is linked to Orochi.

Sanji doesnt have a beef with Queen, queen didnt even mention Sanji ever since srake/p1 was after him.

The only guaranteed matchup is Dukes vs Jack and SN trio vs Kaido& BM.

The rest isnt guaranteed! Oda can do whatever he wants there.

Jo_Ndule · Mar 22, 2020

Trafalgar_D_Law said:

All signs currently point to it. If we being real tho for Law/Kid/Sanji/ an Zoro fans its commanders or bust at this point.
Why would laws arc fight be daifuku? Hes clearly been portrayed noticeable above that lvl. Tho smoothie i can see leading up to kaido.
BB to complete the prophecy.
luffy
law
kid
bb
zoro
drakes
Hawkins
apoo
killer
make the nine or so i believe....

Sure, hopefully everybody can eat first tho!!!

Interesting
Either Teach or Urouge will come
9 Worstgen vs Rocks

Yo Tan Wa · Mar 22, 2020

Jo_Ndule said:

Luffy is gonna tag team Kaidou, so good chnace Zoro n Sanji also will. First Luffy went through hell to beat YC in WCI arc, it will make Luffy bit joke if Z n S do it easily, and Oda already wanks Luffy a lot, so you can bet these are gonna be toughest fights for Z n S, and maybe even with help.

Jo_Ndule said:

They are better, than Rayleigh n Scopper. Jinbei will be better than Oden, if he joins the crew to Laugh Tale.

SHs crew will surpass Roger crew, Ndule it's simple as that. They will do what Roger crew didn't.

Blackbeard · Mar 22, 2020

Jo_Ndule said:

Why are you forcing this BM special battle arc when it's blatantly obvious af she and her wano crew along with Kaido will fall on Wano mirroring the Rocks incident? we barely have enough time to cover the rest of the story and some still want to see a damn BM-fighting arc for the third damn time. we still have Shanks, Teach, Dragon, Marines, Mihawk, Weevil CP0 to cover up and it's already implied a massive war is going to break on Wano.

It's a common theme by OP Luffy faces greater threats every arc, once he's done with Kaido/BM/Akainu he is going for PK level BB, after BB he will take on the far stronger Imu. after King Zoro goes for an OG Admiral/Mihawk. after Queen Sanji goes straight for Ryokugyu.

BM might not die but her and her crew's fighting role ends in Wano, she won't pose any threat anymore.

Xione · Mar 22, 2020

1. Luffy is not far ahead of Zoro by any means. At Dressrosa both were around even, and you can potentially make the argument that Roronoa was superior, hence Luffy needed a huge boost through WCI & then days of training at Wano. Where as Roronoa only needed mere couple days of training in Wano to advance, in which his major "powerup" is simple haki control over the sword. The other possibility is the fact that Roronoa doesn't quit training no matter what, it's been weeks since Dressrosa happened, without a doubt Roronoa was putting work in making gains, as established with his character in Drum Island & Alabasta earlier in the manga.

2. Absolutely nobody:
You: Sanji isn't Rayleigh or Oden
:lusalty:

Come on J, wtf man. But nobody in their right mind has ever compared the kickboxer Sanji to freaking Oden. And the only people who ever compared Sanji to Rayleigh were the people who had some headcanon of Rayleigh being a perverted dog. We all know Gaban is the proper comparison for Sanji now, seeing as Gaban had a prominent leadership real in the crew just like Sanji does when it comes to fighting.

As for Roronoa & Ray: Rayleigh & him have the exact mirroring scars. Rayleigh & him have identical connection to the captain. Their demeanor when it comes to piracy is the same, they don't give a fuck about it unless it's with the captain. They're both top notch swordsmen. At this point you denying the connection between Rayleigh & Zoro is just hardcore denial.

As for Oden & Roronoa: Zoro has one of his swords for the arc. Zoro is aiming for the top of swordsmanship, which includes surpassing the top samurai Wano produced since Ryuuma (from those we know). Zoro has direct disdain for Orochi & Kaido thanks to old man Yasu.

But you're right nonetheless, Zoro isn't any of them, as his legend will be superior to theirs.

3. Are you seriously calling Rakuyo a mere veteran like Oven or w.e? lmao. No way bro, the dude who Oda made stand out with sitting next to Whitebeard while the rest stood around him.

Calling the guy who was matching up with either Gaban or Rayleigh a veteran. I'm assuming you're one of the people who thinks people like Whitey Bay and Rakuyo are some scrubs like Oven. lmao. Homie the reason he could take on Kizaru was cause that homie powerful as hell. Talking about a Veteran can stall an admiral, hell no.

4. "Sanji blocked BM/ Zoro stopped Fuji".. how are you even comparing these two situations? Zoro's situation involves overpowering an on going attack by Fujitora & Then attacking him and pushing him back.. Sanji's attack involves a team up with Luffy to simply stop BM's attack.

5. Zoro will take down King & Then cut up Kaido to an extent if not fully. Sanji on the other hand will more than likely get a team up fight of some sort where he's the main focus against a YC. His 1v1 will probably be against a number or one of the flying 6.

Jo_Ndule · Mar 22, 2020

Blackbeard said:

BM falling here doesnt works just like her falling at WCI didjt work coz Tottoland citizens do not hate her nor her family!
Thus is why even Katakuri didnt get the villain type ending as Doffy/lucci etc...

Wano citizens hate Kaido and orochi not BM, BM isnt the one who made them suffer,
Beating Kaido is the key to opening borders not BM.
Nobody forcing BM but her story ends in Elbaf not wano, is streussen even here? Why would she lose in a nation doesn't really know her or everyone that knows her aren't present?

If Zoro fight YCs as main opponents this arc, next arc again? YCs?
Then after? They jump straight to Admirals?

Did you forget that BB is Yonko? His chances of making it EoS is 50% since Yonko saga is the fall of Yonko and Teach might fall at the end of the saga.

Jo_Ndule · Mar 22, 2020

Yo Tan Wa said:

SH crew will surpass Shanks not Rogers's

And nope, at best Zoro will equal or slightly surpass Oden/Ray
So no, Jinbei Sanji zoro ss trio wont surpas Oden scopper ray trio

As long as these 3 lack CoC, they will just be powerful commanders, not special and great as Oden/Ray despite Zoro WSS title.

Jo_Ndule · Mar 22, 2020

@Xione
Sure Luffy will need help from 2 people and use his 2 best attacks to beat Pica
Sure Luffy was equal to zoro or even below

Thankfully it wasn't Luffy.

Amazing

Please at least bring up something concrete not headcanons

Yo Tan Wa · Mar 22, 2020

Jo_Ndule said:

Why so Ndule?

Jo_Ndule said:

Luffy needs best with him to become PK and since he will be achieving than Roger by takin Down WG, yes Trio will be better than previous Trio.

Jo_Ndule said:

If it's basic CoC like Doffy or Katakuri showed, it won't make a difference.

As for Advance CoC, i think only Luffy, Dragon n Shanks n few will have it. That won't take anything away from Trio.

Xione · Mar 22, 2020

Jo_Ndule said:

Luffy will be surpassing Roger's legend. Part of surpassing Roger's legend is surpassing the legendary crew of the Pirate King.

CoC isn't needed to be a top dog in the One Piece world.

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