Zoro had help from 2 people? Please do show me the help that Zoro received in beating Pica.
"Use his 2 best attacks to beat Pica".. How can they be his 2 best attacks when the man didn't even pull Ashura, and even when he pulls out Ashura the attacks are at different levels lmao. You're reaching hard here mate.
I'm sure Luffy could have beaten Pica with just G2 right?
"Use his 2 best attacks to beat Pica".. How can they be his 2 best attacks when the man didn't even pull Ashura, and even when he pulls out Ashura the attacks are at different levels lmao. You're reaching hard here mate.
I'm sure Luffy could have beaten Pica with just G2 right?
At this point there are big chances it will be something like everyone vs Frieza, a tin of people will tire up up Kaido until all hopw seems lost then Luffy reaches next level and is capable of soloing Kaido. Beating Kaido and BM by gangbanging them wouldn't add so much to Luffy. Anyway if by the end of the arc Luffy > Kaido then at the very least Z and S have to be above YC level since we have seen how a yonko conpares to a yc (BM and Queen), imo we can say that a yonko can almost oneshot even a yc2 and that can not absolutely be the case with L and Z and L and S.
ODA CAN EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED AT BM'S BIRTHDAY AND CONCLUDE HER STORY WITHOUT A BATTLE BREAKING THERE, AKA ZOU STYLE 
She's literally allied with the samurai's sworn enemy to rule the entire world. part of Kaido's defeat logically involves taking down BM and Orochi too. dude, Oda has already sealed her fighting role in story once he drove her all the way to Wano while explaining the Rocks incident and how they all got wrecked in a single massive battle. her plot can be closed at Elbaf without her fighting there, plus minks hold a grudge against BMP since they killed Pedro.
Whom is he going to fight during the supposed BMP war at Elbaf? Snack? Cracker and Katakuri whom fought his captain getting beaten again by his right hand? Smoothie who's going to be beaten to a pulp in Wano? next arc is going to be the final showdown with the Blackbeard pirates(bar Teach) who would evolve to be the most elite criminals and strongest pirate crew/stronger than Rocks, and Shiryu by that time would be decently above any YC1.
This makes far more sense story wise, there's a shitload of characters kept in the shadows, no time for reusing old antagonists. Oda can summarize Big Mom's story at Elbaf without a fight.
Did you forget that BB is literally the biggest pirate obstacle for Luffy and the closest to the PK throne? Imu is excluding Luffy/him? Xebec's second coming?. he is built to be the last challenge before reaching Laugh Tale, it's practically confirmed prime Teach will surpass both Roger and prime Whitebeard. don't group him with mere antagonists meant to fall in a midway arc. his plot importance dwarfs the Yonko.
She's literally allied with the samurai's sworn enemy to rule the entire world. part of Kaido's defeat logically involves taking down BM and Orochi too. dude, Oda has already sealed her fighting role in story once he drove her all the way to Wano while explaining the Rocks incident and how they all got wrecked in a single massive battle. her plot can be closed at Elbaf without her fighting there, plus minks hold a grudge against BMP since they killed Pedro.
Whom is he going to fight during the supposed BMP war at Elbaf? Snack? Cracker and Katakuri whom fought his captain getting beaten again by his right hand? Smoothie who's going to be beaten to a pulp in Wano? next arc is going to be the final showdown with the Blackbeard pirates(bar Teach) who would evolve to be the most elite criminals and strongest pirate crew/stronger than Rocks, and Shiryu by that time would be decently above any YC1.
This makes far more sense story wise, there's a shitload of characters kept in the shadows, no time for reusing old antagonists. Oda can summarize Big Mom's story at Elbaf without a fight.
Did you forget that BB is literally the biggest pirate obstacle for Luffy and the closest to the PK throne? Imu is excluding Luffy/him? Xebec's second coming?. he is built to be the last challenge before reaching Laugh Tale, it's practically confirmed prime Teach will surpass both Roger and prime Whitebeard. don't group him with mere antagonists meant to fall in a midway arc. his plot importance dwarfs the Yonko.
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Lol imagine Luffy needing KKG and a Rayleigh Flashback to beat Pica 
CoC is the peak to be among the very best
Dragon Sengoku Roger Yonko,
Xebec surely has it, or else he would rule those conquerors. Shiki and Garp 100% have it. Ray Oden themselves were admiral level
Kata is gonna be 4th/5th strongest pirate at EoS below Luffy teach Kidd.
Chinjao rivaled prime Garp to a point Garp went to train. Doffy was king of underworld. Ruler of haki female warriors.
Zoro Sanji might not solo King Queen this arc
They may not ,especially when seeing how 5 people stronger than them needs feats too.
J
ODA CAN EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED AT BM'S BIRTHDAY AND CONCLUDE HER STORY WITHOUT A BATTLE BREAKING THERE, AKA ZOU STYLE
She's literally allied with the samurai's sworn enemy to rule the entire world. part of Kaido's defeat logically involves taking down BM and Orochi too. dude, Oda has already sealed her fighting role in story once he drove her all the way to Wano while explaining the Rocks incident and how they all got wrecked in a single massive battle. her plot can be closed at Elbaf without her fighting there, plus minks hold a grudge against BMP since they killed Pedro.
Whom is he going to fight during the supposed BMP war at Elbaf? Snack? Cracker and Katakuri whom fought his captain getting beaten again by his right hand? Smoothie who's going to be beaten to a pulp in Wano? next arc is going to be the final showdown with the Blackbeard pirates(bar Teach) who would evolve to be the most elite criminals and strongest pirate crew/stronger than Rocks, and Shiryu by that time would be decently above any YC1.
This makes far more sense story wise, there's a shitload of characters kept in the shadows, no time for reusing old antagonists. Oda can summarize Big Mom's story at Elbaf without a fight.
Did you forget that BB is literally the biggest pirate obstacle for Luffy and the closest to the PK throne? Imu is excluding Luffy/him? Xebec's second coming?. he is built to be the last challenge before reaching Laugh Tale, it's practically confirmed prime Teach will surpass both Roger and prime Whitebeard. don't group him with mere antagonists meant to fall in a midway arc. his plot importance dwarfs the Yonko.
She's literally allied with the samurai's sworn enemy to rule the entire world. part of Kaido's defeat logically involves taking down BM and Orochi too. dude, Oda has already sealed her fighting role in story once he drove her all the way to Wano while explaining the Rocks incident and how they all got wrecked in a single massive battle. her plot can be closed at Elbaf without her fighting there, plus minks hold a grudge against BMP since they killed Pedro.
Whom is he going to fight during the supposed BMP war at Elbaf? Snack? Cracker and Katakuri whom fought his captain getting beaten again by his right hand? Smoothie who's going to be beaten to a pulp in Wano? next arc is going to be the final showdown with the Blackbeard pirates(bar Teach) who would evolve to be the most elite criminals and strongest pirate crew/stronger than Rocks, and Shiryu by that time would be decently above any YC1.
This makes far more sense story wise, there's a shitload of characters kept in the shadows, no time for reusing old antagonists. Oda can summarize Big Mom's story at Elbaf without a fight.
Did you forget that BB is literally the biggest pirate obstacle for Luffy and the closest to the PK throne? Imu is excluding Luffy/him? Xebec's second coming?. he is built to be the last challenge before reaching Laugh Tale, it's practically confirmed prime Teach will surpass both Roger and prime Whitebeard. don't group him with mere antagonists meant to fall in a midway arc. his plot importance dwarfs the Yonko.
He's not guaranteed to make past Yonko saga. You're trying to make it seem as if Teach was confirmed to fight Luffy at EoS or during Raftel.
BM allied to Kaido doesn't mean she falls here totally.
You just hate to see BM at another arc just like most hated her being in Wano despite all the proof.
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yeah, Zoro is superior because he defeated Pica who is >>> Doflamingo.....
yeah, Zoro is superior because he defeated Pica who is >>> Doflamingo.....
- In terms of scale, Zoro has the superior attacks, which can mean a lot of things dependents on how much you care about the size of an attack defining somebody's prowess.
- The primary argument would revolve around Zoro's usage by Oda up until now.
-> Not even pushed to mid-diff by Pica when they actually started fighting face to face. In fact he did pica in within mere minutes the moment he decided to use his actual fighting style the 3-sword style.
-> Then we come to Fujitora, against Fujitora he's not even using the 3-sword style, but still manages to push back an admiral.
-> Then we come to Wano, from the start he loses his sword. He then faces the fox with 2-swords, then faces a broken killer with the 2-swords. Get's stabbed by killer while using the 2-sword style. Switches to a nerfed version of his 3-sword style and 1-shots a broken killer.
The entire post-timeskip, Zoro hasn't been pushed to a high-diff battle. And everytime he uses his 3-sword style he easily destroys the enemy he faces, while no need for Ashura to be needed whatsoever.
While on the other hand we look at Sanji, who has been pushed to his limits physically at Punk Hazard due to the injuries by Nami & the small clash against Vergo that ended up breaking a part of his leg, and then at WCI against Judge to an extent. Then at the very start of Wano he receives a nice powerup boost that gives him a powerup with no training or w.e needed.
Luffy on the other hand went through WCI recieving powerup after powerup, then he comes to Wano and he's getting another powerup. And he's constantly been pushed to his limits.
Chopper's shown his full potential multiple times. Franky has done the same. Brook has done the same. Usopp has done the same. Robin has done the same.
The only strawhat who has not been pushed to his limits and we know one of his huge abilities still hasn't been used, Ashura, is none other than Zoro.
But I personally don't agree with the idea of Zoro coming into TS stronger than Luffy and believe Zoro just grew in off-panel training from Dressrosa to Wano, but regardless I will not deny the possibility of Zoro coming into TS stronger than Luffy.
- Zoro didn't need to jump, Jump was only needed to save the people Pica was attacking, since they couldn't defend themselves against Pica.
I'm sorry but what exactly is reaching hard about Ashura?
- Did Luffy lose G2 & G3?
- Did Sanji lose Hells Memories?
Ashura multiplies Zoro's attacks by a good amount, so it's a great boost to his power. Even if it's featless, we know the impact it has on Zoro's power due to pre-TS. Thus we should be able to deduce Zoro at his peak is couple of times stronger than what he's currently shown.
I seriously fail to understand the constant denial of Ashura's existence. I'm sorry mate, but if you need to deny a character's ability who's effects on the character is already known, then perhaps you should not be arguing against that character.
I'm sorry but what exactly is reaching hard about Ashura?
- Did Luffy lose G2 & G3?
- Did Sanji lose Hells Memories?
Ashura multiplies Zoro's attacks by a good amount, so it's a great boost to his power. Even if it's featless, we know the impact it has on Zoro's power due to pre-TS. Thus we should be able to deduce Zoro at his peak is couple of times stronger than what he's currently shown.
I seriously fail to understand the constant denial of Ashura's existence. I'm sorry mate, but if you need to deny a character's ability who's effects on the character is already known, then perhaps you should not be arguing against that character.
"Yonko" is just a stage which Teach is undergoing to reach the PK stage similarly to how Luffy is advancing to the Yonko stage currently. both are D. family members whom are simultaneously growing during the story and won't stop evolving until their final showdown which will mirror Xebec vs Roger AKA the battle that saved the entire world from destruction. meanwhile, Shanks/BM/Kaido/WB are merely stepping stones who already reached their peak and were in a deadlock.
You know what Xebec's goal was right?:
Unlike the alliance between Kaido/BM to rule the world which would end in failure before they even threat the world government, manga HEAVILY implied that Teach will threat the world government on multiple occasions, He's implied to get one of the ancient weapons. not only he shares his history research habit with Rocks, but also Oda illustrated how the world nobles are wary from both. Teach has been built as an evolving rival to Luffy since 700 chapters ago before the Yonko term was even mention encouraging Luffy and illustrating the most important theme in story which is pursuing dreams, he will obviously be involved in major events after the Yonko Saga.
Does her having a third full battle arc due to her mini unfinished plot makes more sense to you than her getting defeated at Wano where one of the biggest wars about to occur?. i have gotta say you have a lot of faith on Oda, how many major fights he off-paneled? and you expect him to write a prolonged BM fight again when he can wrap up the entire Mother Carmel incident in two-three chapters max.
there's no damn time left man.
You know what Xebec's goal was right?:
Does her having a third full battle arc due to her mini unfinished plot makes more sense to you than her getting defeated at Wano where one of the biggest wars about to occur?. i have gotta say you have a lot of faith on Oda, how many major fights he off-paneled? and you expect him to write a prolonged BM fight again when he can wrap up the entire Mother Carmel incident in two-three chapters max.
there's no damn time left man.
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