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yeah just DC, nothing else...Law fight with Mingo proved that DC are not the only things that decides fight....Law could cut the mountains but couldn't do shit against Doffy....
Yeah, Sanji used everything lol..Sanji thing with Vergo was same as Zoro fainting...it is not like Sanji went "all out" or had high diff battle against Vergo...it was just "Base Sanji vs Base Vergo" just like "1 sword or 2 sword or 3 sword Zoro" or whatever...when was Sanji pushed to limits...Sanji didn't even try to fight Judge seriously ....
RS is powerup just like Enma....now don't bring the "Zoro has to train...bullshit"...Can Zoro or Luffy use RS?? or Can Luffy or Sanji use Enma??...no.....Enma was a powerup for Zoro just like it was powerup for Sanji......
Sometimes you need not to hit limit to get powerups.....
yeah...admiral was a good feat just like Sanji blocking BigMom and in the same arc Luffy has even better feet against the same admiral....
only time Zoro was able to injure Pica was whenever he turned his back on Zoro....like when he tried to attack Robin or when he tried to attack King Riku.....until then it was stalemate...now don't tell me that Pica was hiding...he was just using his own power......
Losing sword was his own fault and it was not the first time.....
powerups after powerups?...lol....
only one powerup in WCI and that was FS......and one in Wano so far...only Katakuri pushed him to limits...
Oh, Robin didn't show anything......
fair enough......
Yeah, Sanji used everything lol..Sanji thing with Vergo was same as Zoro fainting...it is not like Sanji went "all out" or had high diff battle against Vergo...it was just "Base Sanji vs Base Vergo" just like "1 sword or 2 sword or 3 sword Zoro" or whatever...when was Sanji pushed to limits...Sanji didn't even try to fight Judge seriously ....
RS is powerup just like Enma....now don't bring the "Zoro has to train...bullshit"...Can Zoro or Luffy use RS?? or Can Luffy or Sanji use Enma??...no.....Enma was a powerup for Zoro just like it was powerup for Sanji......
Sometimes you need not to hit limit to get powerups.....
yeah...admiral was a good feat just like Sanji blocking BigMom and in the same arc Luffy has even better feet against the same admiral....
only time Zoro was able to injure Pica was whenever he turned his back on Zoro....like when he tried to attack Robin or when he tried to attack King Riku.....until then it was stalemate...now don't tell me that Pica was hiding...he was just using his own power......
Losing sword was his own fault and it was not the first time.....
powerups after powerups?...lol....
only one powerup in WCI and that was FS......and one in Wano so far...only Katakuri pushed him to limits...
Oh, Robin didn't show anything......
fair enough......
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"Yonko" is just a stage which Teach is undergoing to reach the PK stage similarly to how Luffy is advancing to the Yonko stage currently. both are D. family members whom are simultaneously growing during the story and won't stop evolving until their final showdown which will mirror Xebec vs Roger AKA the battle that saved the entire world from destruction. meanwhile, Shanks/BM/Kaido/WB are merely stepping stones who already reached their peak and were in a deadlock.
You know what Xebec's goal was right?:
Unlike the alliance between Kaido/BM to rule the world which would end in failure before they even threat the world government, manga HEAVILY implied that Teach will threat the world government on multiple occasions, He's implied to get one of the ancient weapons. not only he shares his history research habit with Rocks, but also Oda illustrated how the world nobles are wary from both. Teach has been built as an evolving rival to Luffy since 700 chapters ago before the Yonko term was even mention encouraging Luffy and illustrating the most important theme in story which is pursuing dreams, he will obviously be involved in major events after the Yonko Saga.
Does her having a third full battle arc due to her mini unfinished plot makes more sense to you than her getting defeated at Wano where one of the biggest wars about to occur?. i have gotta say you have a lot of faith on Oda, how many major fights he off-paneled? and you expect him to write a prolonged BM fight again when he can wrap up the entire Mother Carmel incident in two-three chapters max.
there's no damn time left man.
You know what Xebec's goal was right?:
Does her having a third full battle arc due to her mini unfinished plot makes more sense to you than her getting defeated at Wano where one of the biggest wars about to occur?. i have gotta say you have a lot of faith on Oda, how many major fights he off-paneled? and you expect him to write a prolonged BM fight again when he can wrap up the entire Mother Carmel incident in two-three chapters max.
there's no damn time left man.
Teach will remain the only Yonko anyway when all 3 fall, he doesnt even have to be above Roger WB kaido.
Just near them will make him Luffy greatest solo battle.
BM making it past wano arc is 60% doable
Teach making it past Yonko saga is 55% doable
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Yeah, he didn't catch Pica for so much time in that "hide and seek" game and yet he doesn't need jump.....
I am not denying Ashura or whatever.....Ashura was a powerup and it sure increases by good amount...but could you quantify by how much??....it is >>>>>G4 or >G4 or <G4 or <<G4??
Ashura could have given him jump against Pica?? or Ashura could have cut birdcage?? or Ashura could have avoided the stab from killer??...Ashura could have surpassed Denjiro and killed Orochi??
I am not denying Ashura or whatever.....Ashura was a powerup and it sure increases by good amount...but could you quantify by how much??....it is >>>>>G4 or >G4 or <G4 or <<G4??
Ashura could have given him jump against Pica?? or Ashura could have cut birdcage?? or Ashura could have avoided the stab from killer??...Ashura could have surpassed Denjiro and killed Orochi??
- Law vs Vergo & Law vs Doflamingo weren't exactly the same situations. Law was outnumbered or fucked up from the start everytime he faced Doffy. But Law's large scale mountain cutting also doesn't come from brute power, so it's in a way different. Where as Luffy busting up Dressrosa with his KKG & Zoro cutting up Pica come from sheer brute power. But again as I said dependent on how you scale of an attack.
- Sanji actually was fighting Judge seriously. The fact that Sanji's leg bone got broken, should indicate being pushed to limits physically no? Then we also Sanji vs Doflamingo, that resulted in Sanji not being able to do anything to Doflamingo, instead was about to sacrifice himself so the crew could run away. Sanji himself at WCI states he gave it his all against Luffy. soo yea.. Roronoa has never been put in such situations. And sadly Sanji does not have any equivalent of "1-sword style/2-sword style/3-sword style", so that is not the same.
- That makes absolutely no sense. You're willing to delude yourself into believing that the raid suit that can boost any person that puts it on is the same as a sword that can kill somebody if they don't have the haki mastery to wield it?
A suit that gives a defensive boost + invisibility + speed boost + ability to float without any training needed
VS
A sword that is at best the same as Shusui, and on top of that makes Zoro an inferior fighter the moment he picks it up.. and forces him to better his haki control
How did you in your brain assume they're the samething bro?
- Zoro pushed back Fujitora with 1-sword style, which is very much inferior to 2-sword style, which is very much inferior to 3-sword style. Luffy on the other hand used G3 with Armament Haki. If Luffy with G3 without being under gravity pressure couldn't push back Fujitora while Zoro with 1-sword flying slash could.. that'd be bad for Luffy.
- You don't seem to remember the Pica vs Zoro fight clearly. The stalemate was between a 2-sword Zoro who wasn't using Haki whatsoever. The moment he picked up the 3-sword, he 1-shot Pica. Furthermore, I have no issue with Pica using his power to run away from Zoro.. but when you run away from your enemy you're by default admitting defeat.
Did I say losing his sword wasn't his fault? lol, not sure what that has to do with him not being pushed to the max.
Actually he was pushed to his limits twice at WCI in a fight (against Cracker & Katakuri), after being to his limits at Dressrosa already. He got better in using the G4 thanks to the WCI experience, he attained FS thanks to WCI, then at Wano he learned 2 levels of Advanced CoA. There's also tankman & snakeman, we don't know whether he made them up on spot or created them before WCI.
Compared to Roronoa on the other hand, who's so called "powerup" is just better haki control.
So yea I mean there's a legit argument to Roronoa coming in stronger than Luffy into the Post-TS. I disagree with it, personally.. but it's possible.
- Sanji actually was fighting Judge seriously. The fact that Sanji's leg bone got broken, should indicate being pushed to limits physically no? Then we also Sanji vs Doflamingo, that resulted in Sanji not being able to do anything to Doflamingo, instead was about to sacrifice himself so the crew could run away. Sanji himself at WCI states he gave it his all against Luffy. soo yea.. Roronoa has never been put in such situations. And sadly Sanji does not have any equivalent of "1-sword style/2-sword style/3-sword style", so that is not the same.
- That makes absolutely no sense. You're willing to delude yourself into believing that the raid suit that can boost any person that puts it on is the same as a sword that can kill somebody if they don't have the haki mastery to wield it?
A suit that gives a defensive boost + invisibility + speed boost + ability to float without any training needed
VS
A sword that is at best the same as Shusui, and on top of that makes Zoro an inferior fighter the moment he picks it up.. and forces him to better his haki control
How did you in your brain assume they're the samething bro?
- Zoro pushed back Fujitora with 1-sword style, which is very much inferior to 2-sword style, which is very much inferior to 3-sword style. Luffy on the other hand used G3 with Armament Haki. If Luffy with G3 without being under gravity pressure couldn't push back Fujitora while Zoro with 1-sword flying slash could.. that'd be bad for Luffy.
- You don't seem to remember the Pica vs Zoro fight clearly. The stalemate was between a 2-sword Zoro who wasn't using Haki whatsoever. The moment he picked up the 3-sword, he 1-shot Pica. Furthermore, I have no issue with Pica using his power to run away from Zoro.. but when you run away from your enemy you're by default admitting defeat.
Did I say losing his sword wasn't his fault? lol, not sure what that has to do with him not being pushed to the max.
Actually he was pushed to his limits twice at WCI in a fight (against Cracker & Katakuri), after being to his limits at Dressrosa already. He got better in using the G4 thanks to the WCI experience, he attained FS thanks to WCI, then at Wano he learned 2 levels of Advanced CoA. There's also tankman & snakeman, we don't know whether he made them up on spot or created them before WCI.
Compared to Roronoa on the other hand, who's so called "powerup" is just better haki control.
So yea I mean there's a legit argument to Roronoa coming in stronger than Luffy into the Post-TS. I disagree with it, personally.. but it's possible.
In an actual 1v1 against Pica he would have no need to catch Pica. If Pica is running away that's his thing. Only reason Zoro had to play the "hide and seek" is because he had to protect others from Pica. If Zoro doesn't have to protect the people Pica was attacking, why would he need to jump? Please do tell me.
You literally said mentioning Ashura is headcanon.. which is denying the existance of Ashura.
Quantifying Ashura:
Zoro with 1 & 2 sword style = inferior to Kaku
Zoro without Ashura = On par with Kaku
Zoro with Ashura = 1-shots Kaku
That's a huge boost in attack power. If you're asking for comparison to G4, it should equal the top attacks of G4.
You literally said mentioning Ashura is headcanon.. which is denying the existance of Ashura.
Quantifying Ashura:
Zoro with 1 & 2 sword style = inferior to Kaku
Zoro without Ashura = On par with Kaku
Zoro with Ashura = 1-shots Kaku
That's a huge boost in attack power. If you're asking for comparison to G4, it should equal the top attacks of G4.
Simple we at tha end dawg lol. Wano is tha beginning of tha End if tha Series, we’re bout to eliminate half tha Emperors in a single arc(and maybe before tha end of next year) so however it is required Oda will have Sanji and Zoro fight and land tha winning blows on their Yonko Commander opponents.
There is no point to having Zoro and Sanj fight and have extreme diff ights with Vet lvl(Midd tiers) fighters. Especially since after Wano Luffy is going to be a real life Yonko with all tha amenities that come along with it. So it makes 0 sense for his 2 strongest men to not stand on tha general lvl of their Yonko counterparts as well
There is no point to having Zoro and Sanj fight and have extreme diff ights with Vet lvl(Midd tiers) fighters. Especially since after Wano Luffy is going to be a real life Yonko with all tha amenities that come along with it. So it makes 0 sense for his 2 strongest men to not stand on tha general lvl of their Yonko counterparts as well
Makes sense to me. Luffy isn't going to beat Kaido entirely by himself, so I'm not sure why Zoro, Sanji and Jinbei would win their fights all by their own either.
I still think they'll do the majority of the work, but they will get help in some form of the other. I think it'll be more like the Cracker fight (Nami as backup but not getting involved in the face to face) than Doflamingo (Law landing serious hits on him, a horde of fodder as backup).
I still think they'll do the majority of the work, but they will get help in some form of the other. I think it'll be more like the Cracker fight (Nami as backup but not getting involved in the face to face) than Doflamingo (Law landing serious hits on him, a horde of fodder as backup).
We have so many characters for the war, also probably the Navy could join too. And the chance of Luffy defeating Kaido with help is very high. I can see Killer and Zoro taking on King while Sanji with either Apoo/xDrake take on Queen.
Let not forget, both Jack and Kaido battle gonna be teamfights, why Oda should decide to make 1on1 fight for Queen and King then if Jack and Kaido getting beaten in teamfights.
The alliance has many strong characters, also Killer is Zoro "rival" as Kid is Luffy rival. His captain fight together with Luffy against Kaido, so it would make sense if Killer also fight with Zoro together against King.
That is at least my bet for the battles in Onigashima/Wano.
Let not forget, both Jack and Kaido battle gonna be teamfights, why Oda should decide to make 1on1 fight for Queen and King then if Jack and Kaido getting beaten in teamfights.
The alliance has many strong characters, also Killer is Zoro "rival" as Kid is Luffy rival. His captain fight together with Luffy against Kaido, so it would make sense if Killer also fight with Zoro together against King.
That is at least my bet for the battles in Onigashima/Wano.
Indisputable things regarding Zoro and this arc:
-> Zoro will be a huge name coming out of Wano
-> Zoro has a bigger connection with this arc than any other person in the alliance.
-> For it being the land of some of the strongest swordsmen to exist.
-> Zoros connection with Oden through Enma
-> Zoros connection with Ryuuma through Shusui, and Ryuuma being held as the sword god. While Zoro aspires to be the greatest of all time.
-> Zoros sword style that was taught to him by his sensei originates from Wano.
-> Direct connection with Yasu, who was the most beloved man in Wano.
-> Rage towards Kaido and Orochi stemming from Yasu's death and revenge for Otoko.
-> potential connection with Shimotsuki family of Wano.
Outside of Luffy, I expect Zoro to have the biggest accomplishments in this arc when it comes to combat.
Imagine having a character who you spend panels on panels talking about being the greatest swordsman to exist.. but in the biggest arc of OP so far, you fail to actually have him take down a top notch swordsman in a fight. Bless that writing.
-> Zoro will be a huge name coming out of Wano
-> Zoro has a bigger connection with this arc than any other person in the alliance.
-> For it being the land of some of the strongest swordsmen to exist.
-> Zoros connection with Oden through Enma
-> Zoros connection with Ryuuma through Shusui, and Ryuuma being held as the sword god. While Zoro aspires to be the greatest of all time.
-> Zoros sword style that was taught to him by his sensei originates from Wano.
-> Direct connection with Yasu, who was the most beloved man in Wano.
-> Rage towards Kaido and Orochi stemming from Yasu's death and revenge for Otoko.
-> potential connection with Shimotsuki family of Wano.
Outside of Luffy, I expect Zoro to have the biggest accomplishments in this arc when it comes to combat.
Imagine having a character who you spend panels on panels talking about being the greatest swordsman to exist.. but in the biggest arc of OP so far, you fail to actually have him take down a top notch swordsman in a fight. Bless that writing.
- He already has a huge name
- Except Luffy being Joy Boy 2
- Pretty disappointing so far, where are these strong swordsmen, we saw only two who pass.
- Has Zoro even shown one inkling of caring about Oden?
- And gave it away like nothing.
- Zoro never showed any techniques but his own.
As he usually does in most arcs.
Yep, it´s shitty. Enter the land of Samurai, no samurai fight...
- Except Luffy being Joy Boy 2
- Pretty disappointing so far, where are these strong swordsmen, we saw only two who pass.
- Has Zoro even shown one inkling of caring about Oden?
- And gave it away like nothing.
- Zoro never showed any techniques but his own.
As he usually does in most arcs.
Yep, it´s shitty. Enter the land of Samurai, no samurai fight...
