General & Others They might not solo YC1/2 this arc

#82
The problem is as I see, who will take on big mom? To defeat her or to at least stall her?

Kaido, king, queen, jack, numbers (probably 10 of them), apoo, six somewhat?, headliners etc.
+ orochi, kanjuro, orochis elite ninjas (the head ninja was introduced as a rival of raizou, so clearly he will fight him) + 40000 fodders

Big mom, smoothie, daifuku, perospero, etc. God knows how many of them are here.

You have strawhats ( let's say + jinbei), kidd, killer, law, 9 scabbards (with shinobu + nekomamushi), guardions of neko + reinforcements brought by neko + hawkings (and assuming drake will defect/help), about 5500 fodders... and then?


HOW CAN KAIDO AND HIS MEN BE DEFEATED BY TAG TEAMS???
They are in a great numerical disadvantage. I bet there will come even more reinforcements, either the grandfleet and/or shanks+crew.

So nope, there won't be tag teams.
 

KiriNigiri

The Road To Harmony
#85
Sanji is a maybe and if he does, it will be against a big mom commander as i think kyoshiro will take on queen.
The only Big Mom Commander in Wano is Smoothie. While she is strong, Sanji will never fight a woman. That's just how it is. I also don't see any of the retainers fighting, or at least defeating a Calamity. Denjiro in particular got his shine in the arc, imo, by helping to prepare the Alliance for Battle and supporting Wano through the shadows. Moving forward, it's the Strawhat show.
 
#86
The only Big Mom Commander in Wano is Smoothie. While she is strong, Sanji will never fight a woman. That's just how it is. I also don't see any of the retainers fighting, or at least defeating a Calamity. Denjiro in particular got his shine in the arc, imo by helping to prepare the Alliance for Battle and supporting Wano through the shadows. Moving forward, it's the Strawhat show.
Depending on how oda handles the bmp something im still not sure where hes headed
I can see killer fighting smoothie with help if he doesn't help against king
 
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#89
Oda already made Zoro have help to finish Pica
So this "zoro will solo, not have any help" isn't guaranteed since Zoro himself ask for help in some battles.

If Zoro needed help vs Pica golem , why would it be a shame vs a YC
ah yes. the good old Zoro "needed" help, but Luffy soloed Doffy narrative.

Zoro will solo a commander I am afraid.
drop the manga then and delete your account.
its long overdue.
 
#90
The only Big Mom Commander in Wano is Smoothie. While she is strong, Sanji will never fight a woman. That's just how it is. I also don't see any of the retainers fighting, or at least defeating a Calamity. Denjiro in particular got his shine in the arc, imo, by helping to prepare the Alliance for Battle and supporting Wano through the shadows. Moving forward, it's the Strawhat show.
The thing is i don't think all the strawhats are going to get the same amount of spotlight and focus as many seem to think.
I think in onigashima,the scabbards and supernova are going to get the higher amount of focus in the fights on the alliance side.
If sanji can't face smoothie then sorry for him as he will face snack or perospero from big mom crew imo.
He has some unfinished business with them as he didn't get to have a fight in WCI.
The ones 100% fighting beast pirate forces are law/luffy/kid/zoro and the scabbards.
Sanji's group who were in WCI will face big mom pirates imo.
 

KiriNigiri

The Road To Harmony
#91
The thing is i don't think all the strawhats are going to get the same amount of spotlight and focus as many seem to think.
I think in onigashima,the scabbards and supernova are going to get the higher amount of focus in the fights on the alliance side.
If sanji can't face smoothie then sorry for him as he will face snack or perospero from big mom crew imo.
He has some unfinished business with them as he didn't get to have a fight in WCI.
The ones 100% fighting beast pirate forces are law/luffy/kid/zoro and the scabbards.
Sanji's group who were in WCI will face big mom pirates imo.
I already expect Nami and Brook to play some part against Linlin, mainly due to matchups. I don't think Sanji has anywhere near the same personal ties with the Big Mom Pirates as you think. His inner demons during WCI were towards Germa, which he's largely gotten over in order to help his friends.
 

Finalbeta

Hero of Albion
#92
Current Zoro wouldn't be satiated by simply stomping King.

I can't see him exponentially weaker than Luffy like King currently is.

Contrarily Zoro undertook 2 trainings unlike Luffy, and one of these was specifically focused on working for reaching an highter haki stage.
 
#93
I already expect Nami and Brook to play some part against Linlin, mainly due to matchups. I don't think Sanji has anywhere near the same personal ties with the Big Mom Pirates as you think. His inner demons during WCI were towards Germa, which he's largely gotten over in order to help his friends.
Yeah but he never got to have a proper fight in WCI and will meet those guys again,that's why i think this time he will face one of big mom's higher ups with the rest of his group who were in WCI.
While the supernova and scabbards deal with kaido and orochi forces.
Since the day oden said the ones who will defeat kaido will come in wano in 20 years combined with toki talking about 9 shadows,i think those are neither the strawhats nor the scabbards.
I actually think those are the supernovas (even though they aren't 9 as of now in wano) and they will be the ones who are going to get out of this arc with huge names attach to themselves for the feats they are going to show this arc.
 

KiriNigiri

The Road To Harmony
#94
Yeah but he never got to have a proper fight in WCI and will meet those guys again,that's why i think this time he will face one of big mom's higher ups with the rest of his group who were in WCI.
While the supernova and scabbards deal with kaido and orochi forces.
Since the day oden said the ones who will defeat kaido will come in wano in 20 years combined with toki talking about 9 shadows,i think those are neither the strawhats nor the scabbards.
I actually think those are the supernovas (even though they aren't 9 as of now in wano) and they will be the ones who are going to get out of this arc with huge names attach to themselves for the feats they are going to show this arc.
I don't think the Supernovas are all coming out of this arc with big names. I think what's gonna happen is, once the Yonko have been defeated, that's gonna create a major power vacuum. The Supernovas will be mentioned, but not all of them are gonna be in the running anymore by that point. Drake's true intentions aren't even as a Pirate, so he's dropping out. Urouge and Bonney aren't in Wano, so if the idea is for all the Supernovas to be big names, why not have them in Wano? Bonney will most likely be captured to boot.

Besides, you're saying the Supernova are gonna get most of the clout, right? Well, if half the Strawhats are facing the Big Mom Pirates, wouldn't that raise their stock? It's not like only taking out Kaido and his crew is a big feat. Linlin is virtually as dangerous, with arguably a deadlier crew. It doesn't matter which Emperor crew Sanji contributes against, he'll be noted all the same because he was involved, and is an underling of the biggest star within the Supernova.

And speaking of unfinished business, didn't Kid take something from Linlin? As well as injure one of her Sweet Commanders? And the first Supernova to directly wage attacks on her? If Sanji has to resolve things with Linlin, shouldn't Kid have to as well?
 
#95
Current Zoro wouldn't be satiated by simply stomping King.

I can't see him exponentially weaker than Luffy like King currently is.

Contrarily Zoro undertook 2 trainings unlike Luffy, and one of these was specifically focused on working for reaching an highter haki stage.
Luffy outpaced Zoro in WCI. Luffy took on 2 yonko commanders, gained FS, and gained a bounty over 1 billion more than Zoro's

I can imagine Zoro being on par with Luffy back in dressrosa, but Oda clearly created a gap between the two in WCI and I cannot see how you can rationalize that this gap doesn't exist without doing major mental gymnastics.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#96
Luffy outpaced Zoro in WCI. Luffy took on 2 yonko commanders, gained FS, and gained a bounty over 1 billion more than Zoro's

I can imagine Zoro being on par with Luffy back in dressrosa, but Oda clearly created a gap between the two in WCI and I cannot see how you can rationalize that this gap doesn't exist without doing major mental gymnastics.
Unless zoro come back stronger.
 
#97
Unless zoro come back stronger.
which is pure fan fiction

honestly it would be bullshit for Zoro to be low top tier despite the strongest person he ever beat being Pica. The man was 1 shot by Killer. Luffy took a cheap shot to the side, got back up, fought for several more hours, and defeated katakuri.

there's absolutely nothing Zoro has over Luffy, yet Z-boys are willing to bend backwards to give him feats he doesn't have, power ups he's never shown, and portrayal he's never earned.

Beating Pica and Killer is literally the only thing of merit Zoro has done in the new world. Luffy on the other hand nearly died trying to stop the Noah, beat chinjao, beat Doffy, beat Cracker, fought sanji and the enraged army directly after beating cracker, beat katakuri, and took an ass beating by Kaido. Luffy has been busting his ass in almost every arc and Killer has been the first person to seriously injure Zoro since his encounter with Kizaru pre-skip. Yet you tell me Zoro is low top tier.
 
#98
I don't think the Supernovas are all coming out of this arc with big names. I think what's gonna happen is, once the Yonko have been defeated, that's gonna create a major power vacuum. The Supernovas will be mentioned, but not all of them are gonna be in the running anymore by that point. Drake's true intentions aren't even as a Pirate, so he's dropping out. Urouge and Bonney aren't in Wano, so if the idea is for all the Supernovas to be big names, why not have them in Wano? Bonney will most likely be captured to boot.

Besides, you're saying the Supernova are gonna get most of the clout, right? Well, if half the Strawhats are facing the Big Mom Pirates, wouldn't that raise their stock? It's not like only taking out Kaido and his crew is a big feat. Linlin is virtually as dangerous, with arguably a deadlier crew. It doesn't matter which Emperor crew Sanji contributes against, he'll be noted all the same because he was involved, and is an underling of the biggest star within the Supernova.

And speaking of unfinished business, didn't Kid take something from Linlin? As well as injure one of her Sweet Commanders? And the first Supernova to directly wage attacks on her? If Sanji has to resolve things with Linlin, shouldn't Kid have to as well?
For the supernovas, we aren't near the end of the wano arc and there are other people who will be arriving.Urouge for example,remember he was shown talking to kaido when kaido was intoduced right? He has the higher chances of the 3 supernovas outside wano to come,and if he does we are actually going to have 9 supernovas in wano.
For sanji and the other WCI strawhats,i don't think they are going to take all the big mom pirates on their own.If sanji takes on perospero or snack,nami,brook and chopper could take on flampe,compote and the other low ranking BM pirates while the remnants of the wb pirates could take on the others.
Wb's top commanders like vista could take on smoothie while others like jozu take on numbers on kaido's side.Marco will be helping against kaido himself.
On the kid part,i actually agree he is going to have some clash with them at the beggining of the battle,as well as with apoo but his main fight will be with kaido alongside luffy and law.
 

KiriNigiri

The Road To Harmony
For the supernovas, we aren't near the end of the wano arc and there are other people who will be arriving.Urouge for example,remember he was shown talking to kaido when kaido was intoduced right? He has the higher chances of the 3 supernovas outside wano to come,and if he does we are actually going to have 9 supernovas in wano.
For sanji and the other WCI strawhats,i don't think they are going to take all the big mom pirates on their own.If sanji takes on perospero or snack,nami,brook and chopper could take on flampe,compote and the other low ranking BM pirates while the remnants of the wb pirates could take on the others.
Wb's top commanders like vista could take on smoothie while others like jozu take on numbers on kaido's side.Marco will be helping against kaido himself.
On the kid part,i actually agree he is going to have some clash with them at the beggining of the battle,as well as with apoo but his main fight will be with kaido alongside luffy and law.
Linlin came to Wano for two specific purposes: Kill Luffy and get Zeus back. She's gonna encounter Nami. Also, I seriously doubt Marco, or even the rest of the Whitebeard pirates arrive, outside of maybe Izo. Marco had already refused and gave Nekomamushi a message to Luffy. That entire exchange is pointless if Marco comes anyway.

As for Urouge, there's no indication he's arriving on Wano, and even if he is, Bonney has no hope of getting there, given she's in the heart of Mariejois. That still leaves 1 Supernova unaccounted for. And Drake, it's confirmed he isn't in the race for Pirate King. What good is boosting his notoriety gonna be?
 
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