[FNZ] Super Role Madness GimmeMy10McMuffins mafia

[Nikamara]

Go with reborn, nika dont trample on a man's resolve.
They went through all this trouble to spite Ratchet yet again dont you want to see them getting their well deserved punishment?

I have my own resolve too

 

[Ratchet]

I am also looking at the bigger picture here, if we vote for a townie player instead we are also playing in mafia hands. We effectively damage our own to save an indie who leaves the game after he gets his own wincon. Then what happens to us? we are now in effectively lower advantage point because we decided to sacrifice our own and do more damage to townies to just save an indie. I wish we were not in this situation myself, I really do. I wanted to see pot flip. But now that the situation presents itself and I actively town read the other 4 as of now then the most optimal play for town is to lynch the one player confirmed not to be town. Mafia already got cucked for using all their abilities on one player. Let's not get persuade with emotions here and make poor plays.

He's not making an emotional decision, he's making a pragmatic one. However, he need not do so. @Reborn - Your game is not yet over, trust me on that. You have a role to play.

 

[SoulKiller]

I have my own resolve too

this post legit made me crack up xD

 

[T-Pein™]

this is what pein responded to the message above


this was his response right after..


not hard to piece together what reborn is putting down here

So what?
I am the Tucker fan.
I use tucker gifs all the time...

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

Last response to you, so I'll make it count. If you think I'm going to be amenable to your nonsense after the game, I'm sorry, but I'm not that nice. I'm a reasonably forgiving person, I think, or at least I try to be, and often do I not like to make things more of a stretched out ordeal than they are. With real life friends too, I'm someone who could get into a physical fight with them and then thirty minutes later shake hands on it and we're fine. But then if you immediately go and do the same thing afterwards, well then I have more of an issue, because that tells me that you lack respect. I'm not really going to go into this any more here, because I think my point there is clear enough.

Everyone can see this for what it is. I've pointed out, repeatedly, in this discussion, how it makes absolutely no sense for any Scum to focus down the Indie here when they have Town to eliminate. Regardless of how many scum I can kill, it will be less than Town, and there is the potential for me to harm town too. This is all very common sense, it's why several townies have expressed concern around enabling an Indie claim. You will of course claim that I'm crying or I'm super angry or I'm upset - I'm none of those things. Super zen IRL right now. I'm just calling it how it is, because I will not let you slip by with "I'm just trying to win" when you're flagrantly choosing against that.

It's just a game, it's whatever. Me being lynched here will have absolutely no impact on me tomorrow or tonight. I've had my fun with it, the host can attest to this. And it's not like you know everything about my role either. Regardless, I don't have to be friends with everyone I play this game with. It's just disappointing to see you like this, you're better than that, or you were at least. You're not going to change my mind on this because I value logic above pretty much all else, maybe to a fault sometimes, and to me your version does not stand up to scrutiny. I suggest any future dialogue you have with me, you keep strictly to the games at hand.

i will not be gaslighted now ratchy

like i said, whether u believe or not is up to u. if u want the misunderstanding that u have rn to affect our relation post game thats a decision u make. u shud atleast wait for the game to be over before making such statements. u called me multiple times things im not simply based on you assuming to know whats going on when you dont, id kindly like u to stop until u learn the facts. there is so much u dont know and its pretty unfair for u to make a judgment about me with the amount of info u lack

i am trying to win. i will not let someone who can kill 2-3 of my mates stay alive. 80% of town roles cant even kill. ur a good player on a good role that can harm my team. stop attacking me motives for once and see it from our PoV. u cant do that fully because u dont know all the facts, but u shud atleast have an idea on where we r coming from. not all indies r treated equal. urs happens to be extremely protown, unless u r lying about ur wincon/role, which is then ur own fault not mine

this appeal to emotion isnt gna work. my stance remains the same. u r dangerous to me therefore i will eliminate u. now or later doesnt matter. id rather get rid of u now b4 the PoE becomes hard capped on us and u kill us like nothing. u dont even know our roles or what restrictions we might have that forces us to kill u even more. the game is designed for ur role to hard sht on us. i wont allow it to happen.

take a look around u and lets talk logic. do u think town will ever lynch u this game? do u think u will ever kill a townie this game? even if u kill 1 townie, u will do it after killing 1-2 mafia. im not stupid ratchy. u might kill 2 mafia and kill a last townie for ur wincon

also its not like we ignored the other claimed killer. we placed him right here with u. convince town to lynch him. go on. if only ur wincon was more neutral and not hardcore protown... these townies that u say need to kill all of us are not as dangerous. their roles r weak we can stop it and their activity is no where near urs. fact that town is still willing to let u live shud tell u how important u r to them, and how dangerous u r to us.

be honest with me, when u looked at ur wincon, what was ur first game plan? kill townies or mafia. even a single mafia that u kill will harm us soo much to the point that killing 2 townies wont compensate enough. specially that u r shooting on the PoE, not independently shooting at town and mafia alike.

u can only blame urself. u keep bringing out of game stuff to guilt trip me and im not having any of it. i dont care

 

[Nikamara]

@Nikamara @MUUGEN Charlie had Flower's role PM, she's confirmed town. 100%.

Right I just remembered

 

[MUUGEN]

@Reborn if we lynch you or flower here we lose a confirmed townie - adam would still be the outlier outside of ratchet and like you said hes town vig and id much rather keep him alive its true ratchet is a threat to scum but we also cant openly lynch town here as it goes agaisnt our own wincons this would be borderline gamethrowing. i think we have to vote ratchet here regardless of what scum wants we lynch an indie or a townie here id rather have ratchet gone than town in this scenario.

 

[T-Pein™]

@Reborn if we lynch you or flower here we lose a confirmed townie - adam would still be the outlier outside of ratchet and like you said hes town vig and id much rather keep him alive its true ratchet is a threat to scum but we also cant openly lynch town here as it goes agaisnt our own wincons this would be borderline gamethrowing. i think we have to vote ratchet here regardless of what scum wants we lynch an indie or a townie here id rather have ratchet gone than town in this scenario.

Not of them are "confirmed" townies lol...
Yall so silly.

 

[SoulKiller]

Anyone who has shooting abilities. Yeet Ekko to the sun, thank you.

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

He's not making an emotional decision, he's making a pragmatic one. However, he need not do so. @Reborn - Your game is not yet over, trust me on that. You have a role to play.

he is helping u because he sees u correctly for what u truly r, a strong townie in indie clothing

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

Anyone who has shooting abilities. Yeet Ekko to the sun, thank you.

u can do it by end of day, i wanna talk some sense into our indie friend here b4 then

 

[Nikamara]

I am not emotional but quite practical here.



I don't even personally know ratchet nor he is an informer for whom I will sacrifice myself.


T-pein has my role. He knows who I am what I can do. That means Mafia has it.


I already used one of my ability. My second ability is good but conditional.

If ratchet is willing to work with town then I don't mind offing myself.

You also have to consider that I won't be so active due to some work so we need active players to catch scums.


I am actually looking at bigger picture.


Yes it can backfire but I am willing to take this risk because it's clear to me that this is done to out ratchet otherwise why four town reads would be put along side him ?

You're not looking at the bigger picture at all fam. Ratchet is loyal to his wincon. we save him and yes, he can work us, which would only mean town resources would be wasted keeping him alive so that he MIGHT be useful to us, while for all be know he will be rolecrushed/killed by scum into oblivion making your sacrifice for him all but useless. As town, we should be fighting tooth and nail to say alive especially in a game where more than 1/3 of the players have non-town-aligned votes to place.

TLDR sacrificing townie idea = BAD PLAY.

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

next time dont claim indie with the most protown wincon ever and cry about it

this goes for literally anyone, not just ratchet

i have nothing against ratchet as a player. i want his role gone

thats pure facts

what you believe or not is up to you

 

[Ratchet]

i will not be gaslighted now ratchy

like i said, whether u believe or not is up to u. if u want the misunderstanding that u have rn to affect our relation post game thats a decision u make. u shud atleast wait for the game to be over before making such statements. u called me multiple times things im not simply based on you assuming to know whats going on when you dont, id kindly like u to stop until u learn the facts. there is so much u dont know and its pretty unfair for u to make a judgment about me with the amount of info u lack

You don't deserve any level of good faith from me. It's not gaslighting, you illiterate cur, it's simply logic. Your play here only ever makes sense out of spite, because like it has been explained to you, you *can* win with me, so when you have the option to pick between players you can with with and players you can't, you always take out the latter. There are no "facts", which are really just your mewling excuses, which can contest this.

I don't even need to quote the rest of it. You try to assume emotion that isn't there. I just see you for what you are. A spiteful player who thrives on ruining games for players he doesn't like, for any given reason on any given day. Really pathetic. You've ensured your team won't win anyway, I hope they're glad for you to have destroyed their games over your petty vendettas and crusades.

 

[Ratchet]

u can do it by end of day, i wanna talk some sense into our indie friend here b4 then

We are not friends, we will never be friends. I don't proffer friendship with people like you.

 

[Nikamara]

We don't have at length unfortunately. Adam isn't here to defend it. Do your due tomorrow with him, but do consider my legacy here too.

eh. you think I'm living to tomorrow? Ekko will have me dead in no time I'm sure.

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

You don't deserve any level of good faith from me. It's not gaslighting, you illiterate cur, it's simply logic. Your play here only ever makes sense out of spite, because like it has been explained to you, you *can* win with me, so when you have the option to pick between players you can with with and players you can't, you always take out the latter. There are no "facts", which are really just your mewling excuses, which can contest this.

I don't even need to quote the rest of it. You try to assume emotion that isn't there. I just see you for what you are. A spiteful player who thrives on ruining games for players he doesn't like, for any given reason on any given day. Really pathetic. You've ensured your team won't win anyway, I hope they're glad for you to have destroyed their games over your petty vendettas and crusades.

i cannot *win* with you unless you are simply lying about ur role and wincon. are u now? cuz otherwise i gurantee u once u see our roles, we r not winning together. period.

do u even know how ur wincon mechanic truly work

 

[MUUGEN]

@Nikamara @MangoSenpai vote ratchet here. trust me on the adam read.

 

[T-Pein™]

Nah we should Lynch Reborn.

 

[Reborn]

I am also looking at the bigger picture here, if we vote for a townie player instead we are also playing in mafia hands. We effectively damage our own to save an indie who leaves the game after he gets his own wincon. Then what happens to us? we are now in effectively lower advantage point because we decided to sacrifice our own and do more damage to townies to just save an indie. I wish we were not in this situation myself, I really do. I wanted to see pot flip. But now that the situation presents itself and I actively town read the other 4 as of now then the most optimal play for town is to lynch the one player confirmed not to be town. Mafia already got cucked for using all their abilities on one player. Let's not get persuade with emotions here and make poor plays.

I have my own resolve too

He's not making an emotional decision, he's making a pragmatic one. However, he need not do so. @Reborn - Your game is not yet over, trust me on that. You have a role to play.

@Reborn if we lynch you or flower here we lose a confirmed townie - adam would still be the outlier outside of ratchet and like you said hes town vig and id much rather keep him alive its true ratchet is a threat to scum but we also cant openly lynch town here as it goes agaisnt our own wincons this would be borderline gamethrowing. i think we have to vote ratchet here regardless of what scum wants we lynch an indie or a townie here id rather have ratchet gone than town in this scenario.

Do you all think that I just jumped to sacrifice myself and don't understand what losing townie means?



T-pein literally mentioned an ability I have.



Another ability of mine is good and but as I said it's conditional. If t-pein or yellow mafia know about that ability then they will make me useless before I even get to use it if and if I meet the conditions.


I got targeted N1 so definitely town is targeting me.


And, from t-pein it's clear they gave my role or have info about it.


Ratchet can kill and Mafia fears that. I can't kill at all.

We have 19 Townies left. And, 7 Mafia. If ratchet works for us then taking one townie out to even take atleast one mafia is good deal for me.