Break Week One Piece deaths suck because we have no idea wtf is happening in real time
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One Piece suffers from Boy Who Cried Wolf syndrome in that Oda has faked out deaths so many fucking times (Muscat, Pell, King Baum, Orochi to name a few), has characters survive in utterly ludicrous situations (such as Gedatsu surviving a fall from Sky Island) that no one believes a character is dead unless explicitly told so. And even then, narration boxes can lie or be changed (Kaido vs Luffy) so we can’t even trust those anymore.
Of course this is all ignoring the complete fucking ass tier effort Oda put in to make us actually care about those who died. Who the hell is Ashura other than ‘that fat guy’? What’s his defining personality trait other than being yet another Loden shill? Does he actually like being a samurai and fighting for honour, or did he only abandon his banditry because Loden’s cum tasted way too good? No one knows. And so no one cares he’s dead.
Of course this is all ignoring the complete fucking ass tier effort Oda put in to make us actually care about those who died. Who the hell is Ashura other than ‘that fat guy’? What’s his defining personality trait other than being yet another Loden shill? Does he actually like being a samurai and fighting for honour, or did he only abandon his banditry because Loden’s cum tasted way too good? No one knows. And so no one cares he’s dead.
I have this feeling that author reached this point and said, let's kill some of those who are KO so it will look like a true war... Because fucking Ashura died like 40 chapters ago (1 year+ for us) and no one knew, not even Oda 
Moreover, Kiku failed 2 times to kill Kanjuro, making this death really stupid.
At least we can confirm with this that Orochi, Kanjuro and Mr. Go are dead.
Moreover, Kiku failed 2 times to kill Kanjuro, making this death really stupid.
At least we can confirm with this that Orochi, Kanjuro and Mr. Go are dead.
Not all deaths need to be emotionally impactful - that's the sad reality of death. It is final, it can be unexpected and it is never convenient. Not everyone should get the Ace/Whitebeard treatment - that actually reduces the significance of their own deaths.
I suppose we'll be seeing you complain again in future if we see Hawkins is dead (good chance after 1052)
I suppose we'll be seeing you complain again in future if we see Hawkins is dead (good chance after 1052)
This is true but the issue is the amount of fake outs we get with deaths in One Piece as well as just how wildly inconsistent people's resistance to attacks can be.
We saw Pell survive a nuke and Pagaya survive a massive thunder from Enel, yet bombs and dynamite have now become incredibly deadly to Pedro and Ashura.
We saw Law survive multiple gunshots and we saw a lot of characters get hit by shigans from CP9, yet Izo here dies by one from CP0.
It's not a bad thing to have sudden, tragic and unsung deaths in a story but with the way the story has worked in the past in makes it extremely hard to tell when characters actually die.
Like seriously to this day we still have people wondering if Vergo is actually dead.
We saw Pell survive a nuke and Pagaya survive a massive thunder from Enel, yet bombs and dynamite have now become incredibly deadly to Pedro and Ashura.
We saw Law survive multiple gunshots and we saw a lot of characters get hit by shigans from CP9, yet Izo here dies by one from CP0.
It's not a bad thing to have sudden, tragic and unsung deaths in a story but with the way the story has worked in the past in makes it extremely hard to tell when characters actually die.
Like seriously to this day we still have people wondering if Vergo is actually dead.
What fake outs?
Please explain - the only "fake outs" we have are:
Pell - which was because when he died 911 happened and Oda didn't want to have his content in any way similar to such a disaster and contemporary to the attack - it can also be explained away in-verse as Pell being an awakened Zoan
Pagaya - Enel's attacks use Volts (which are not lethal) rather than Amps (which are lethal) - there are plenty of other people in Skypiea (Kamakiri, Laki etc) who were not killed by him which proves this is a consistency between real life and One Piece. Volts burn and cause complications to do with the human nervous system but cannot kill you - it is Amps that kill you and Enel appeared to have far less control over the Amps of his charges.
Kin'emon - was not a fakeout, he survived because Law never undid his splitting, which if you go back and check, is actually legit true and it was very clearly a planned plot point to give Kin'emon his moment
Who else isn't dead that should be?
- Surviving gunshots is common and Law is superhuman
- Those attacked by Shigan are superhuman - and also were attacked by CP9 who are far inferior to CP0. We also know that by post-skip standards, Izo is not a relevant character for powerscaling so his death is very believable in that sense
All this tells me is you either don't pay much/enough attention or you're simply lacking a lot of knowledge here and it's the same for anyone else who thinks these deaths are somehow a bad thing.
Please explain - the only "fake outs" we have are:
Pell - which was because when he died 911 happened and Oda didn't want to have his content in any way similar to such a disaster and contemporary to the attack - it can also be explained away in-verse as Pell being an awakened Zoan
Pagaya - Enel's attacks use Volts (which are not lethal) rather than Amps (which are lethal) - there are plenty of other people in Skypiea (Kamakiri, Laki etc) who were not killed by him which proves this is a consistency between real life and One Piece. Volts burn and cause complications to do with the human nervous system but cannot kill you - it is Amps that kill you and Enel appeared to have far less control over the Amps of his charges.
Kin'emon - was not a fakeout, he survived because Law never undid his splitting, which if you go back and check, is actually legit true and it was very clearly a planned plot point to give Kin'emon his moment
Who else isn't dead that should be?
- Surviving gunshots is common and Law is superhuman
- Those attacked by Shigan are superhuman - and also were attacked by CP9 who are far inferior to CP0. We also know that by post-skip standards, Izo is not a relevant character for powerscaling so his death is very believable in that sense
All this tells me is you either don't pay much/enough attention or you're simply lacking a lot of knowledge here and it's the same for anyone else who thinks these deaths are somehow a bad thing.
I have this feeling that author reached this point and said, let's kill some of those who are KO so it will look like a true war... Because fucking Ashura died like 40 chapters ago (1 year+ for us) and no one knew, not even Oda
Moreover, Kiku failed 2 times to kill Kanjuro, making this death really stupid.
At least we can confirm with this that Orochi, Kanjuro and Mr. Go are dead.
Moreover, Kiku failed 2 times to kill Kanjuro, making this death really stupid.
At least we can confirm with this that Orochi, Kanjuro and Mr. Go are dead.
In the spoilers thread I asking around how the mafaka actually died, couldn't even remember those panels.
At least Hyogoro and his miniom yakuza bosses are okay.
It's not just the fake outs, but simply that Oda has set a precedent that most characters, even if they aren't super human, can survive seemingly deadly situations, so having Ashura and Izo actually die in a more realistic and sudden manner feels uncharacteristic of Oda, which is why it took a lot of people by surprise.
Think back to like, Pound, Kiku who didn't even have an excuse like Kin'emon, Mr. 2 and probably many others who have set the precedent of "If we're not outright told that they died or got some big emotional scene, they're probably alive".
I'm not saying all of this is a bad thing or that Izo and Ashura dying is bad either, just that it's very different to how Oda has handled the deaths of relevant characters before, which is why so much people didn't see them coming.
It's also why so much people are on the fence about Hawkins, Tsuru, Maha and the other CP0 guy, Orochi, Kanjuro or hell even Kaido and BM dying. With the way Oda handles death it could go either way.
Think back to like, Pound, Kiku who didn't even have an excuse like Kin'emon, Mr. 2 and probably many others who have set the precedent of "If we're not outright told that they died or got some big emotional scene, they're probably alive".
I'm not saying all of this is a bad thing or that Izo and Ashura dying is bad either, just that it's very different to how Oda has handled the deaths of relevant characters before, which is why so much people didn't see them coming.
It's also why so much people are on the fence about Hawkins, Tsuru, Maha and the other CP0 guy, Orochi, Kanjuro or hell even Kaido and BM dying. With the way Oda handles death it could go either way.
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They somehow didnt impact much, but neither their characters. Just Izou lol.
But as someone above said, not everyone will have Ace's level death emotions, since they are just irrelevant for Luffy, while for Wano it is an another matter.
Oda knows how to give emotion to death, he chose not, I expeculate since they were really irrelevant for the show.
We have 2 emperors "dying", maybe 2 supernovas, 2 wano samurais. And non of them were emotional just because Oda chose it that way.
But as someone above said, not everyone will have Ace's level death emotions, since they are just irrelevant for Luffy, while for Wano it is an another matter.
Oda knows how to give emotion to death, he chose not, I expeculate since they were really irrelevant for the show.
We have 2 emperors "dying", maybe 2 supernovas, 2 wano samurais. And non of them were emotional just because Oda chose it that way.
This is understandable. However, that doesn't mean these deaths 'suck' as per OP.
Kiku wasn't shown being hit by Kaido. Pound isn't a normal dude either, he's got some pretty immense willpower and rigour as well as impressive durability feats - I don't think a blade that isn't even big enough to deal decent damage to him, wielded by a non-swordsman, is going to kill him. Nobody was ever in a position to kill Mr 2 though so not sure where this point came from.
We'll ignore examples like Sarquiss as well yeah? Oda makes it very obvious when a character IS killed. People just think of Pell and then question everything not knowing the whole 911 thing to the point where it was unreasonable. Case in point for the fanbase being dumb: Monet got stabbed in the heart and then destroyed the base with herself inside it. Same with Vergo. People not accepting their very obvious deaths is just asinine and not Oda's fault.
Yet that is the point of the thread and you're arguing against me despite us sharing this opinion. Why?
Of course it differs from relevant characters. That's a key point to consider: *relevant*
We're on the fence about Hawkins because there is nothing to discern between a death scene and a simple dialogue scene as of this moment. Nothing to do with anything else. If he dies he simply hasnt died yet. When did Tsuru "die"? I swear you're just making this up at this point.
We're on the fence about Orochi and Kanjuro because of their fruits. We're NOT on the fence about Maha because we've literally seen him. I think it's very obvious having seen no sign of Kaido and Linlin after falling into a Magma chamber (while unconscious) after SEVEN DAYS what's happened to them. Sometimes you lot are all sceptical beyond reason.
Kiku wasn't shown being hit by Kaido. Pound isn't a normal dude either, he's got some pretty immense willpower and rigour as well as impressive durability feats - I don't think a blade that isn't even big enough to deal decent damage to him, wielded by a non-swordsman, is going to kill him. Nobody was ever in a position to kill Mr 2 though so not sure where this point came from.
We'll ignore examples like Sarquiss as well yeah? Oda makes it very obvious when a character IS killed. People just think of Pell and then question everything not knowing the whole 911 thing to the point where it was unreasonable. Case in point for the fanbase being dumb: Monet got stabbed in the heart and then destroyed the base with herself inside it. Same with Vergo. People not accepting their very obvious deaths is just asinine and not Oda's fault.
Yet that is the point of the thread and you're arguing against me despite us sharing this opinion. Why?
Of course it differs from relevant characters. That's a key point to consider: *relevant*
We're on the fence about Hawkins because there is nothing to discern between a death scene and a simple dialogue scene as of this moment. Nothing to do with anything else. If he dies he simply hasnt died yet. When did Tsuru "die"? I swear you're just making this up at this point.
We're on the fence about Orochi and Kanjuro because of their fruits. We're NOT on the fence about Maha because we've literally seen him. I think it's very obvious having seen no sign of Kaido and Linlin after falling into a Magma chamber (while unconscious) after SEVEN DAYS what's happened to them. Sometimes you lot are all sceptical beyond reason.
