Break Week One Piece deaths suck because we have no idea wtf is happening in real time
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Just to clarify i was talking about O-tsuru, Kin'emon's wife, who he mentioned supposedly dying when Okobore town was burned down.
I definitely don't think that OP deaths "suck" but my points with those arguments is that i do think their impact is diminished due to how Oda has handled death in the past.
I think O-Tsuru's example is a pretty good way to illlustrate this:
In a story where death is treated in a more serious and consistent manner, a character telling us that the group of villains burned a village with innocent people inside wouldn't be met with doubt and would hit pretty hard as a moment, showing us just how messed up these villains are.
But due to how OP handles death the fans immediately treat this moment with skepticism, with most readers probably expecting O-Tsuru and the other villagers to be alright somehow and get a happy reunion, which wouldn't be a bad thing as OP is still a relatively light hearted manga all things considered.
But if we're later told that they all did actually die, then that emotional impact that we should've felt right when that information was revealed ended up being lost for the battle of Onigashima itself, only hitting us hard now that the stakes are low.
Again it wouldn't be a bad thing by itself but when you consider just how much people have complained that the beast pirates didn't feel that menacing outside of Kaido or that they felt that there weren't many consequences or that tension was lacking, then having us be certain that a whole innocent village was burned alive and that Kin'emon's wife definitely died would've improved the feeling stakes for the raid as well as making us feel a lot more for Kin'emon's character.
This skepticism wil just continue to be present throughout the entire series simply due to Oda's past decisions, with us needing to get a really focused and emotional death scene like Ace's or Whitebeard's to really believe that a character has definitely died, if not just outright verbal confirmation like with Ashura and Izo.
I definitely don't think that OP deaths "suck" but my points with those arguments is that i do think their impact is diminished due to how Oda has handled death in the past.
I think O-Tsuru's example is a pretty good way to illlustrate this:
In a story where death is treated in a more serious and consistent manner, a character telling us that the group of villains burned a village with innocent people inside wouldn't be met with doubt and would hit pretty hard as a moment, showing us just how messed up these villains are.
But due to how OP handles death the fans immediately treat this moment with skepticism, with most readers probably expecting O-Tsuru and the other villagers to be alright somehow and get a happy reunion, which wouldn't be a bad thing as OP is still a relatively light hearted manga all things considered.
But if we're later told that they all did actually die, then that emotional impact that we should've felt right when that information was revealed ended up being lost for the battle of Onigashima itself, only hitting us hard now that the stakes are low.
Again it wouldn't be a bad thing by itself but when you consider just how much people have complained that the beast pirates didn't feel that menacing outside of Kaido or that they felt that there weren't many consequences or that tension was lacking, then having us be certain that a whole innocent village was burned alive and that Kin'emon's wife definitely died would've improved the feeling stakes for the raid as well as making us feel a lot more for Kin'emon's character.
This skepticism wil just continue to be present throughout the entire series simply due to Oda's past decisions, with us needing to get a really focused and emotional death scene like Ace's or Whitebeard's to really believe that a character has definitely died, if not just outright verbal confirmation like with Ashura and Izo.
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Izo’s wasn’t that bad at least for me
I thought he went out like a G especially if Maha is actually dead
Ashura though? His death was pretty shit icl
No one thought he was dead and the way he actually got killed is so lame too
Kanjuro sent a random Oden clone that took him 2 seconds to make over to the scabbards and actually managed to kill one of them lol
I thought he went out like a G especially if Maha is actually dead
Ashura though? His death was pretty shit icl
No one thought he was dead and the way he actually got killed is so lame too
Kanjuro sent a random Oden clone that took him 2 seconds to make over to the scabbards and actually managed to kill one of them lol
This is one of the reasons because Shit Piece will never be as glorious as Planet of the Apes's 2011 reboot.
Those movies know how to make both the lives and deaths of its characters be always glorious and memorable.
Mr.Poo-Poo was saved by plot induced stupidity because he wanted to reunite with his wife,when in a well-written story about war,all characters should be ready to die for what they want and accept it when it happen.
Who sugarcoat Mr.Poo-Poo as "the emotional investment for the arc" is insulting people whose intelligence was insulted by his clownfiesta.
Meanwhile,here are some examples of masterpieces deaths in Planet of the Apes:
Buck,the first gorilla to develop human capabilities in Rise: It was him who brought down the police helicopter from were gunners were threatening his fellow apes,dying by gunshots in the chest in process. And thanks to hims,Caesar and co fully crossed Golden Gate Bridge and reached Muir Woods,where builded a home free from human opression. He didn't make it to live this happy life in a free home with the others,but thanks to his sacrifice,his brethren could have it. They would never make it without Buck's sacrifice,and he will always be remembered as a hero among Caesar's colony for that.
Red,the red-haired gorilla in War:He is a gorilla from Caesar's colony who took part in Koba's vengeful attack on San Francisco's human colony,and turned coat after Koba's death due questioning Caesar's leadership. He become a servant of McCullough's battalion as a need to survive and get revenge on Caesar,and was a brutal villain during the conflict between the colony and the battalion. But at the climax,he realized that his heart always was with Caesar and co,and died by saving Caesar's life. He is another gorilla hero for Caesar and co,because he allowed Caesar to get rid of all the remaining human soldiers from United States,and to see his colony reach a new home away from human reach before his passing.
@Franosuke @RayanOO @Onepiecedying @Pooth @lee33 @ZenZu @Nidai_Kitetsu @kom5 @Boiroy @centurion @Shiroyru @ShadyOjiro @Gol D. Roger @Steven @MonsterKaido @SakazOuki @roronoa_fan @Mr. Reloaded
Those movies know how to make both the lives and deaths of its characters be always glorious and memorable.
Mr.Poo-Poo was saved by plot induced stupidity because he wanted to reunite with his wife,when in a well-written story about war,all characters should be ready to die for what they want and accept it when it happen.
Who sugarcoat Mr.Poo-Poo as "the emotional investment for the arc" is insulting people whose intelligence was insulted by his clownfiesta.
Meanwhile,here are some examples of masterpieces deaths in Planet of the Apes:
Buck,the first gorilla to develop human capabilities in Rise: It was him who brought down the police helicopter from were gunners were threatening his fellow apes,dying by gunshots in the chest in process. And thanks to hims,Caesar and co fully crossed Golden Gate Bridge and reached Muir Woods,where builded a home free from human opression. He didn't make it to live this happy life in a free home with the others,but thanks to his sacrifice,his brethren could have it. They would never make it without Buck's sacrifice,and he will always be remembered as a hero among Caesar's colony for that.
Red,the red-haired gorilla in War:He is a gorilla from Caesar's colony who took part in Koba's vengeful attack on San Francisco's human colony,and turned coat after Koba's death due questioning Caesar's leadership. He become a servant of McCullough's battalion as a need to survive and get revenge on Caesar,and was a brutal villain during the conflict between the colony and the battalion. But at the climax,he realized that his heart always was with Caesar and co,and died by saving Caesar's life. He is another gorilla hero for Caesar and co,because he allowed Caesar to get rid of all the remaining human soldiers from United States,and to see his colony reach a new home away from human reach before his passing.
@Franosuke @RayanOO @Onepiecedying @Pooth @lee33 @ZenZu @Nidai_Kitetsu @kom5 @Boiroy @centurion @Shiroyru @ShadyOjiro @Gol D. Roger @Steven @MonsterKaido @SakazOuki @roronoa_fan @Mr. Reloaded
What Oda was thinking: “Ashura got stabbed and took an explosion at point blank range, so it should be obvious that he died. Izo got stabbed in the heart, so it should be obvious that he died”
Meanwhile the fans are thinking: “Pell took a nuke to the face and plenty of characters have taken worse stab wounds than Izo and walked it off. They’re alive”
Basically Oda has no self awareness
Meanwhile the fans are thinking: “Pell took a nuke to the face and plenty of characters have taken worse stab wounds than Izo and walked it off. They’re alive”
Basically Oda has no self awareness
pell survives because it ruins the entire theme and message of alabasta if he dies. theres multiple major scenes about this including the one in my av where luffy tells crocodile to his face "she doesnt want a single person to get killed in this rebellion". crocodile telling them "just throw away one or two friends and you can be out of this." the entire "people die" conversation where luffy punches vivi in the face literally ends with luffy making her promise to accept their help so they actually can save everyone. the conflict was never about luffy telling vivi that she has to accept her friends dying, it was about him telling vivi to accept that her friends wanted to share the risk, because vivi wanted to try and stop the war herself and he knew that would fail.
the idea that pell dying was a last minute change, or that he was supposed to die, or that pell dying would make the story better is so fucking stupid and i cant believe its so popular. it makes no sense and the only reason you'd think its a good idea is if you just didn't pay attention to the story and only read one piece for the fights. except they even talk about it during the fights so theres no excuse lol. pell is the fucking guardian deity of alabasta. if he dies the country starts to fall apart and its not a triumph its a compromise. crocodile's ideology wins because they just threw away a friend.
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the idea that pell dying was a last minute change, or that he was supposed to die, or that pell dying would make the story better is so fucking stupid and i cant believe its so popular. it makes no sense and the only reason you'd think its a good idea is if you just didn't pay attention to the story and only read one piece for the fights. except they even talk about it during the fights so theres no excuse lol. pell is the fucking guardian deity of alabasta. if he dies the country starts to fall apart and its not a triumph its a compromise. crocodile's ideology wins because they just threw away a friend.
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Did you guys paid attention to the time that @ArturCantSpeakJapanese used as avatar a picture of that Fraudo's speech about death changed to "A big punch is what completes a person." ?
That speaks everything about how much Shitty Country Arc broke him.
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That speaks everything about how much Shitty Country Arc broke him.
@Franosuke @RayanOO @Rivaille @Onepiecedying @lee33 @Pooth @PurpleSwordsman @ZenZu @Nidai_Kitetsu @centurion @Mr. Reloaded @Gol D. Roger @Boiroy @SakazOuki @roronoa_fan @Warchief Sanji D Goat
