Questions & Mysteries Who is the traitor?

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First of all I think @Sadistic Senpai gave a perfect explanation as to why it is still speculation and why Kanjuro is a prime candidate. The points you made are worth discussing, but they could also easily be solved by Oda as of right now.
"Easily"? I'm not sure about that. And some of what @Sadistic Senpai either contradicts facts in the manga, or just doesn't make any sense. Such as him claiming that Jack had Raizou's vivre card, or that Kanjuro sabotaged the ship, when it was revealed that the cause was due to a crash as a result of their sailing inexperience.
Who is your candidate btw?
I believe Kanjuro is the traitor, but Oda's been messy in this whole plot.
It was clearly established that Kanjuro didn't know Raizou was on Zou. The last he saw of Raizou, he was on a broken raft in the naturally treacherous reverse sea currents nearby Zou. Yet, despite the fact that it was highly probable Raizou could've died on the way, Kanjuro apparently reported to Kaido that Raizou had arrived on Zou.

Jack didn't just think that Raizou might be on Zou. He knew Raizou was on Zou, which is knowledge Kanjuro never had and was only available to the minks who witnessed him arrive.

Not only that, by the time of Raizou crash landing at Zou, Kanjuro was already fully aware of the meaning of the crescent moon ankle mark. He knew that it was a symbol of the rebellion since he'd been told that from before they even left Wano. So why did Kanjuro hold knowledge of exactly who the rebels were in Wano if he was the traitor? Why would he not inform Orochi so they can round them up? Not only that, but throughout the entire time Luffy and co were on WCI, Kanjuro was undercover on Wano with the alliance. He knew what everyone was doing. He knew Robin was training to infiltrate Orochi's castle. He knew Zoro and Usopp were recruiting. Yet no information or anything got leaked in this time. The leaks started happening shortly after all of this information that Kanjuro had already long known, started to get revealed to the WCI group.

So Kanjuro reported to Kaido the location where there was a chance Raizou could be, but didn't mention anything about the rebel symbol at Wano for weeks, despite knowing about that before the Raizou situation?
Because other characters that are often discussed (Carrot, Shinobu, Law) have a million times more arguments against them being the traitor, than Kanjuro does.
No they don't. They all have arguments against them. Kanjuro has just as many.

-What about the countless panels of him crying alongside the other scabbards and speech of what must be done, totally in sync with the rest of them.
-What about him rallying Luffy to join them and fight?
There is absolutely no benefit to encouraging Luffy to help them after seeing how strong Luffy was in Dressrosa. Someone strong enough to one-shot him. Not to mention his grand fleet which Kanjuro witnessed being formed and the strength of his crew.
-What about the prophecy of 9 ghosts killing Orochi?
-What about the fact that Kanjuro has known the other scabbards since he was a kid and has guarded Momo?
-What about the inconsistency of the timeline of leaked info?
-What about Kanjuro rushing to Oden castle as it burned down to protect the Kozukis?

I think the traitor is Kanjuro, but there is a lot doesn't make sense, so I'm doubtful Oda can justify things upon the reveal.
 
"Easily"? I'm not sure about that. And some of what @Sadistic Senpai either contradicts facts in the manga, or just doesn't make any sense. Such as him claiming that Jack had Raizou's vivre card, or that Kanjuro sabotaged the ship, when it was revealed that the cause was due to a crash as a result of their sailing inexperience.

I believe Kanjuro is the traitor, but Oda's been messy in this whole plot.
It was clearly established that Kanjuro didn't know Raizou was on Zou. The last he saw of Raizou, he was on a broken raft in the naturally treacherous reverse sea currents nearby Zou. Yet, despite the fact that it was highly probable Raizou could've died on the way, Kanjuro apparently reported to Kaido that Raizou had arrived on Zou.

Jack didn't just think that Raizou might be on Zou. He knew Raizou was on Zou, which is knowledge Kanjuro never had and was only available to the minks who witnessed him arrive.

Not only that, by the time of Raizou crash landing at Zou, Kanjuro was already fully aware of the meaning of the crescent moon ankle mark. He knew that it was a symbol of the rebellion since he'd been told that from before they even left Wano. So why did Kanjuro hold knowledge of exactly who the rebels were in Wano if he was the traitor? Why would he not inform Orochi so they can round them up? Not only that, but throughout the entire time Luffy and co were on WCI, Kanjuro was undercover on Wano with the alliance. He knew what everyone was doing. He knew Robin was training to infiltrate Orochi's castle. He knew Zoro and Usopp were recruiting. Yet no information or anything got leaked in this time. The leaks started happening shortly after all of this information that Kanjuro had already long known, started to get revealed to the WCI group.

So Kanjuro reported to Kaido the location where there was a chance Raizou could be, but didn't mention anything about the rebel symbol at Wano for weeks, despite knowing about that before the Raizou situation?

No they don't. They all have arguments against them. Kanjuro has just as many.

-What about the countless panels of him crying alongside the other scabbards and speech of what must be done, totally in sync with the rest of them.
-What about him rallying Luffy to join them and fight?
There is absolutely no benefit to encouraging Luffy to help them after seeing how strong Luffy was in Dressrosa. Someone strong enough to one-shot him. Not to mention his grand fleet which Kanjuro witnessed being formed and the strength of his crew.
-What about the prophecy of 9 ghosts killing Orochi?
-What about the fact that Kanjuro has known the other scabbards since he was a kid and has guarded Momo?
-What about the inconsistency of the timeline of leaked info?
-What about Kanjuro rushing to Oden castle as it burned down to protect the Kozukis?

I think the traitor is Kanjuro, but there is a lot doesn't make sense, so I'm doubtful Oda can justify things upon the reveal.
Kanjuro could easily be playing game pretending like he didnt know if Raizo landed.....to seem less like a traitor.
 
Kanjuro could easily be playing game pretending like he didnt know if Raizo landed.....to seem less like a traitor.
But he genuinely didn't, lol. Neither did Kin emon. Raizou was on a tiny broken raft, drifting in dangerous sea currents nearby Zou. Chances of him dying from that would be huge. They never saw him arrive on Zou. Yet Jack didn't just think Raizou could be on Zou, he knew for a fact that he was there and wouldn't take no for an answer. The minks were very convincing and after the first encounter, if Jack didn't know for sure that they were lying then why bother even coming back? He came back because he knew Raizou was there and was being hidden.That's not something Kanjuro knew at all.
 
But he genuinely didn't, lol. Neither did Kin emon. Raizou was on a tiny broken raft, drifting in dangerous sea currents nearby Zou. Chances of him dying from that would be huge. They never saw him arrive on Zou. Yet Jack didn't just think Raizou could be on Zou, he knew for a fact that he was there and wouldn't take no for an answer. The minks were very convincing and after the first encounter, if Jack didn't know for sure that they were lying then why bother even coming back? He came back because he knew Raizou was there and was being hidden.That's not something Kanjuro knew at all.
Plot hole then ? Actually what are the chances that Raizo has been talking to Kanjuro through a Den Den Mushi.
 
But he genuinely didn't, lol. Neither did Kin emon. Raizou was on a tiny broken raft, drifting in dangerous sea currents nearby Zou. Chances of him dying from that would be huge. They never saw him arrive on Zou. Yet Jack didn't just think Raizou could be on Zou, he knew for a fact that he was there and wouldn't take no for an answer. The minks were very convincing and after the first encounter, if Jack didn't know for sure that they were lying then why bother even coming back? He came back because he knew Raizou was there and was being hidden.That's not something Kanjuro knew at all.
I understand what you mean but Kinnemon and co went to Zo and asked for Raizo, they were like 99% sure he was there.
 
Plot hole then ? Actually what are the chances that Raizo has been talking to Kanjuro through a Den Den Mushi.
Exactly. It would be. Or at least a leap in reason in order to try and hide who the traitor was, which just diminishes the mystery. And Raizou was tied up so it's unlikely they could've communicated. Not to mention they use different den den mushi in Wano.
Strongly contradicts the idea that they could've communicated because of the weak signal.
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I understand what you mean but Kinnemon and co went to Zo and asked for Raizo, they were like 99% sure he was there.
They straight up said at the beginning that they didn't know he was there. They only thought he could be.
"We want to know that Raizou has arrived here".
 
Exactly. It would be. Or at least a leap in reason in order to try and hide who the traitor was, which just diminishes the mystery. And Raizou was tied up so it's unlikely they could've communicated. Not to mention they use different den den mushi in Wano.
Strongly contradicts the idea that they could've communicated because of the weak signal.
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They straight up said at the beginning that they didn't know he was there. They only thought he could be.
"We want to know that Raizou has arrived here".
Then perhaps Kanjuro drew a bird and made it fly to Zou to confirm Raizo's position lol. I dont know anymore.
 
Then perhaps Kanjuro drew a bird and made it fly to Zou to confirm Raizo's position lol. I dont know anymore.
I mean...I guess, but that just seems really unlikely. Kanjuro's drawings dissolve when hit with water. It's hard to imagine it was able to stick with Raizou in those stormy seas. And once on Zou, Raizou would've been quickly hidden. Not to mention that Raizou didn't know that Kanjuro or Kin emon were ok. Indicating he didn't see any bird.
 
I mean...I guess, but that just seems really unlikely. Kanjuro's drawings dissolve when hit with water. It's hard to imagine it was able to stick with Raizou in those stormy seas. And once on Zou, Raizou would've been quickly hidden. Not to mention that Raizou didn't know that Kanjuro or Kin emon were ok. Indicating he didn't see any bird.
I really dont know. But once he is confirmed to be the traitor. I hope Oda can give an elaborate explanation of how he knew for sure that he was on Zou.
 
but somehow still hasn't informed Orochi about momo and kinemon being alive? Orochi still thinks of them as ghosts
More like others think Orochi is seeing ghosts, while he's constantly talking about them as facts.

In fact, how he connected both of Zorojuro and Soba mask to Kinemo is only a testament that he's certain of their existence alive.

It's us influenced by ignorent samurai under him calling him coward for seeing ghosts is what's weird.

The dude even knows about the raid and the change of port and that Kinemon will go there and you're telling me that Orochi doesn't know if Kinemon and momo are alive???

c'mon be rational
 
I really dont know. But once he is confirmed to be the traitor. I hope Oda can give an elaborate explanation of how he knew for sure that he was on Zou.
I'm doubtful he can, but we'll see.

But that aside, before Kanjuro knew of Raizou's location, he already knew about the crescent moon ankle tattoo which was the symbol of the rebellion and Kozuki allies. He knew about this before Raizou, yet only reported on Raizou to Kaido and Orochi. Why?

Kanjuro was on Wano way before Luffy and co, yet nothing got leaked. Everyone was carrying out their jobs fine. Stuff started getting leaked after Kin emon shared the plan with the straw hats and the minks.
 
I'm doubtful he can, but we'll see.

But that aside, before Kanjuro knew of Raizou's location, he already knew about the crescent moon ankle tattoo which was the symbol of the rebellion and Kozuki allies. He knew about this before Raizou, yet only reported on Raizou to Kaido and Orochi. Why?

Kanjuro was on Wano way before Luffy and co, yet nothing got leaked. Everyone was carrying out their jobs fine. Stuff started getting leaked after Kin emon shared the plan with the straw hats and the minks.
God I dont know then. Carrot is only other person then. But thats super unlikely. However like I said perhaps she only went to WCI to protect the SHs so Kaido could deal with them in Wano.
 
God I dont know then. Carrot is only other person then. But thats super unlikely. However like I said perhaps she only went to WCI to protect the SHs so Kaido could deal with them in Wano.
Yeah exactly. All the candidates have flaws. Some straight up disqualify them.

Either Oda's been amazing in hiding this spy or he's just done some BS nonsense which doesn't add up with what we've been shown. I have the feeling it's the latter.

People say that Kanjuro is the spy since he was at the meeting where they discussed Hiyori's status. But they never revealed Hiyori's location, yet Orochi knows she is in the north.
 
Yeah exactly. All the candidates have flaws. Some straight up disqualify them.

Either Oda's been amazing in hiding this spy or he's just done some BS nonsense which doesn't add up with what we've been shown. I have the feeling it's the latter.

People say that Kanjuro is the spy since he was at the meeting where they discussed Hiyori's status. But they never revealed Hiyori's location, yet Orochi knows she is in the north.
Honestly gods knows at this point. I just hope it makes sense at the end.
 
it makes the most sense for it to have been kanjuro.

It would have had to have been a scabbard as the traitor was able to supply kaido with a Zou vivre card. The scabbards likely had a card for Inu and Neko.
Who else knew that Raizo and Raizo alone was at Zou?
Kanjuro also knew about Hiyori and if he were to be the traitor, it would be far more impactful than Shinobu or Kiku. The traitor will have the most impact if it was someone who was very close to the reader and Kanjuro has been around since dressrosa.

lastly, the biggest reason why I think its Kanjuro is that he is the only likely one.
-it can't be Momo or Hiyori.
-it can't be kinemon
-it can't be any mink
-it can't be raizo
-it probably will not be a character that was just introduced in wano
 
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