Roe vs Wade Overturned?

[Nana]

If killing a clump of cells is infanticide then so is IVF and wanking. Might as well stop eating while you're at it too - if you eat meat you kill animals directly through your demand - if you don't you still kill loads of cells in every item you consume. Might as well start floating too since your body can crush and kill cells

Don't people see how ridiculous the argument is? A foetus doesn't have any indications of sentience until the third trimester at around 6 months. Abortions before 6 months, if they 'kill' anything, kill an un-alive, un-sentient being.

If these American conservatives really cared about the kids they'd achieve more addressing the fatherlessness problem, the inequality against fathers in family courts, reform gun laws and advocate for universal healthcare and further support a centralised, codified and compulsory form of sex education which currently does not exist in the states and would further support more affirmative action over the fostering of the approx 400,000 kids in the foster/adoptive system in the US at any given time. But no, I bet we'll be hard pressed to find anyone who supports all of these things - and if you don't, it's likely not really about the 'babies' but about control or you're simply incredibly misinformed on abortions in general.

Furthermore, research from the Guttmacher institute has shown that in countries where abortions are illegal, the rate of abortions performed actually goes UP not down. So weirdly if you oppose abortions, supporting abortions actually helps reduce abortions. Accessibility to the help that precedes an abortion is a massive help.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/what-we-do/sexual-and-reproductive-rights/abortion-facts/#:~:text=According to the Guttmacher Institute,a difference that is not

Nobody has the right to inhibit another persons choice. If abortions are legal, you can choose to not have one. It's not that hard. It's no skin off your nose and you aren't oppressing other people because 'muh 2000yo book says so'.

I haven't even begun to discuss the immorality of forcing women to live with children they cannot have - if a delivery is going to be lethal, you're sending a woman to death. If a woman was raped, she doesn't want the baby. Products of incest usually have severe deformities. Several medical procedures require abortions and can result in death if the abortion is not performed (e.g. stillbirth foetus that cannot exit the womb). Children forced to be born live horrific and severely disadvantaged lives most of the time.

It's a much bigger picture than 'killing' a clump of cells, you absolute fucking wingnuts.

Indeed the whole thing is far bigger than just babies lives matter!!

Like every women has circumstances, u can't just force her to have child she might not be able to raise for many reasons

They really think all these babies will be happy growing up in shitty life conditions 💀💀

Or that this will stop all abortions, it will just push women to do it in less safe ways

 

[Ballel]

So weirdly if you oppose abortions, supporting abortions actually helps reduce abortions.

It's the same with drugs.
These idiots don't want people to be safe, they want to control them

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I’m not conservative much further right

So a Nazi.
Great🤡

 

[Uncle Van]

Indeed the whole thing is far bigger than just babies lives matter!!

Like every women has circumstances, u can't just force her to have child she might not be able to raise for many reasons

They really think all these babies will be happy growing up in shitty life conditions 💀💀

Or that this will stop all abortions, it will just push women to do it in less safe ways

Teenager living in poverty gets raped? She better pop that baby and raise it with love!

 

[Ravagerblade]

Teenager living in poverty gets raped? She better pop that baby and raise it with love!

It's Disgusting this is the only way you fucks talk on it. Rape Over the people who abort basically for sport.
We all know Rape is bad, Do you not have any other talking points or is this the only thing you can focus on?

 

[Ballel]

It's Disgusting this is the only way you fucks talk on it. Rape Over the people who abort basically for sport.
We all know Rape is bad, Do you not have any other talking points or is this the only thing you can focus on?

He forgot the 🤡 emote

 

[Uncle Van]

It's Disgusting this is the only way you fucks talk on it. Rape Over the people who abort basically for sport.
We all know Rape is bad, Do you not have any other talking points or is this the only thing you can focus on?

"You fucks?" Hold on am I a liberal or conservative?

 

[Monkey D Theories]

It's Disgusting this is the only way you fucks talk on it. Rape Over the people who abort basically for sport.
We all know Rape is bad, Do you not have any other talking points or is this the only thing you can focus on?

But the laws in many pro-life states don't even have rape exceptions. Mine doesn't.

You can't pretend that this is a strawman when pro-lifers in positions of power literally believe that rape victims should give birth to the rapists' child.

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the people who abort basically for sport.

dude, stop jacking off to anime characters and go talk to real women.

 

[Ravagerblade]

But the laws in many pro-life states don't even have rape exceptions. Mine doesn't.

You can't pretend that this is a strawman when pro-lifers in positions of power literally believe that rape victims should give birth to the rapists' child.

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dude, stop jacking off to anime characters and go talk to real women.

Stop making shit up To make yourself feel superior, It's Cringe as fuck.
Just because you Don't like to hear it doesn't make it any less true, Get fucked Little bitch.
I know Women and they also Oppose Abortion. You Goofed that one Stupid Mother fucker.

 

[Tomu]

Stop making shit up To make yourself feel superior, It's Cringe as fuck.
Just because you Don't like to hear it doesn't make it any less true, Get fucked Little bitch.
I know Women and they also Oppose Abortion. You Goofed that one Stupid Mother fucker.

No it's genuine fact.

In the majority of countries where abortion is illegal, this remains the case in all circumstances with no nuance regarding how the pregnancy came to be, or whether it might save the woman's life.

There are medical conditions that are un-treatable without abortions being legal, most of which are fatal.

Just because some women share the same view doesn't make you correct. The truth is not measured by mass appeal and research indicates that men and women think very similarly on abortions with approximately equal numbers of both sexes supporting and opposing it. It's not an issue of gender; the disagreement is an issue of whether you believe a book written by a random blind guy who claimed to know a guy called jesus (or equivalent) or whether you live in the real world.

It's very obvious you are absolutely clueless on this issue. Go touch some grass please.

Edit: did you also know there are parts of the bible that advocate for abortions under certain circumstances? Circumstances which have been discussed which you still oppose.

 

[Ravagerblade]

No it's genuine fact.

In the majority of countries where abortion is illegal, this remains the case in all circumstances with no nuance regarding how the pregnancy came to be, or whether it might save the woman's life.

There are medical conditions that are un-treatable without abortions being legal, most of which are fatal.

Just because some women share the same view doesn't make you correct. The truth is not measured by mass appeal and research indicates that men and women think very similarly on abortions with approximately equal numbers of both sexes supporting and opposing it. It's not an issue of gender; the disagreement is an issue of whether you believe a book written by a random blind guy who claimed to know a guy called jesus (or equivalent) or whether you live in the real world.

It's very obvious you are absolutely clueless on this issue. Go touch some grass please.

Edit: did you also know there are parts of the bible that advocate for abortions under certain circumstances? Circumstances which have been discussed which you still oppose.

You really are an idiot, I've already said that there are times when there's exceptions, and that's the only times.
I suggest you do the same and touch grass. It's very obvious you are clueless to what I've said.

Just because you have women who share your views, doesn't make "You" correct.
Their opinion isn't any less valuable.

 

[Adam 🍎]

No it's genuine fact.

In the majority of countries where abortion is illegal, this remains the case in all circumstances with no nuance regarding how the pregnancy came to be, or whether it might save the woman's life.

There are medical conditions that are un-treatable without abortions being legal, most of which are fatal.

Just because some women share the same view doesn't make you correct. The truth is not measured by mass appeal and research indicates that men and women think very similarly on abortions with approximately equal numbers of both sexes supporting and opposing it. It's not an issue of gender; the disagreement is an issue of whether you believe a book written by a random blind guy who claimed to know a guy called jesus (or equivalent) or whether you live in the real world.

It's very obvious you are absolutely clueless on this issue. Go touch some grass please.

Edit: did you also know there are parts of the bible that advocate for abortions under certain circumstances? Circumstances which have been discussed which you still oppose.

They are making sure women give birth to poor depressed kids that will need to join the army when they turn 18 to fund their wars or go to jail to fund their prison complex

 

[bennbeckman]

These Red states are hitting the ground running with these trigger abortion bans

America... nothing better than a bunch of old crusty ass men telling women what they should do with their bodies.

This really started with Texas bullshit and their dipshit governor

 

[Ballel]

These Red states are hitting the ground running with these trigger abortion bans

America... nothing better than a bunch of old crusty ass men telling women what they should do with their bodies.

This really started with Texas bullshit and their dipshit governor

I wonder how exactly the USA will meet its end.
It is sure to happen one day, as it happens with every empire.
But when, how, which forces will play a role? Forces we already know about or factors that are yet to emerge?

 

[bennbeckman]

I wonder how exactly the USA will meet its end.
It is sure to happen one day, as it happens with every empire.
But when, how, which forces will play a role? Forces we already know about or factors that are yet to emerge?

America isnt an episode of Star Wars

 

[Ballel]

America isnt an episode of Star Wars

I didn't watch that, I don't get the reference

 

[Zenos7]

nothing better than a bunch of old crusty ass men telling women what they should do with their bodies.

its about the bodies that are growing inside the women tho.

 

[Tomu]

its about the bodies that are growing inside the women tho.

No. It isn't. It's about SO MUCH MORE than that - see my long post on page 45.

 

[Zenos7]

No. It isn't. It's about SO MUCH MORE than that - see my long post on page 45.

Im going to respectfully disagree. Sure,this has implications that go beyond the problem of abortion. But the conservatives point with abortion is still the new body inside the pregnant woman and not her body per se. Which was what i responded to.

And something not being sentient doesnt mean its not alive btw. At least not when we talk about biological definitions or something.

So you better get over fetuses being living human beings (in early developmental stages)

 

[Ballel]

m going to respectfully disagree. Sure,this has implications that go beyond the problem of abortion. But the conservatives point with abortion is still the new body inside the pregnant woman and not her body per se. Which was what i responded to.

But this still won't stop abortion. Read studies and figures about the issue like what some people posted here before:Banning abortions only makes women seek out unsafe methods.
So nothing is won by banning abortions. But what is LOST is women's self determination.

If you want to reduce abortions improve the life circumstances of young mothers and their children.
Provide them free healthcare, daycare, education etc, all that basic stuff that people need to live normally

 

[Zenos7]

But this still won't stop abortion. Read studies and figures about the issue like what some people posted here before:Banning abortions only makes women seek out unsafe methods.
So nothing is won by banning abortions. But what is LOST is women's self determination.

If you want to reduce abortions improve the life circumstances of young mothers and their children.
Provide them free healthcare, daycare, education etc, all that basic stuff that people need to live normally

Im not supporting a ban on abortion anyway. So yeah sure