Speculations Shusui>Nerfma. Oda
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Enma acted as a "teacher", showing Zoro that there is no need to restrain the khaki and give the blades all the khaki. And because of that, he realized it. But by itself Shusui > Enma. If Zoro gives enma and takes shusui back, he will become stronger, because he has learned to cover kv2 any blade on his own.
Shusui > Enma Mihuk > Shanks Oda once again made it clear that the black blade is above all. And Zoro weakened himself by giving this masterpiece..... Only the mighty khaki Zoro surpassed nerfma.
And yes... Where is Odense khaki?
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And yes... Where is Odense khaki?
Enma exudes the users Ryuo/CoA no sword can unlock coc, if you paid attention you would know Zoro awakened it on the roof trying to protect unconscious Luffy from Kaido. This is consistent with how many coc users awaken it during extreme situations good examples of that is Ace Doflamingo and Luffy himself in Marineford
Oda again made it clear that black blades are the most elite of all swords. That is why Shusui is considered the strongest blade of vano and above enma. Zoro voluntarily gave up the highest blade among the top 21 swords and took a nerf that weakened him.
Black Blade are elite and toughest swords was already known, but Shusui being black doesnt make to stronger than rest, you have already seen many supreme 12 swords not being Black and obviously above Shusui without being black, you are placing shusui as higher blade because your imagination wants it
And its by far not strongest Blade of Wano, there are 2 swords of Oden which enma was even told to become one of 12 supreme if blackened, and then there is Shodai Kitetsu which is obvious to even the most biased fan that shodai kitetsu is stronger than Shusui
You are twisting the words, it was mentioned most elite swords in exiatence not most elite swords in a group, and as I told you Wano swords dont have the potential to be stronger but they ARE stronger than Shusui, already named you Shodai Kitetsu which nobody can deny
Mastering Enma makes Zoro stronger, that in itself shows Enma is stronger since it requires stronger swordmaster, not only that, a Black shusui still remains among 21 while black enma will be considered among 12 supreme, which in itself show the blade itself is stronger than shusui... the blackening can happen temporary as well when imbuing Haki in it, and that Black Enma we can already say should be as strong as normal 12 supreme
Mastering Enma makes Zoro stronger, that in itself shows Enma is stronger since it requires stronger swordmaster, not only that, a Black shusui still remains among 21 while black enma will be considered among 12 supreme, which in itself show the blade itself is stronger than shusui... the blackening can happen temporary as well when imbuing Haki in it, and that Black Enma we can already say should be as strong as normal 12 supreme
Lol well to me at least it has to be in the group of the 21 because if it is not then that means that shusui is the most elite blade right behind yoru and that would make it over even the 12 blades which i dont agree with unless oda proves it
Mastering Enma makes Zoro stronger, that in itself shows Enma is stronger since it requires stronger swordmaster, not only that, a Black shusui still remains among 21 while black enma will be considered among 12 supreme, which in itself show the blade itself is stronger than shusui... the blackening can happen temporary as well when imbuing Haki in it, and that Black Enma we can already say should be as strong as normal 12 supreme
this does not show me that enma is stronger than shusui as it is now what this tells me is that enma did exactly what zoro wanted it to do in 955: by the time im used to this i will be stronger zoro is indeed stronger now as enma made zoro go all out and unleash his adv coc haki but u can not ignore that right now in story shusui is still the elite blade because it is black and enma is not to me when zoro turns enma black then and only then is it over shusui. Lastly it is purely your headcannon that temporary imbuement of haki matches a black blade we have no concrete proof of this and u know it
Mastering Enma makes Zoro stronger, that in itself shows Enma is stronger since it requires stronger swordmaster, not only that, a Black shusui still remains among 21 while black enma will be considered among 12 supreme, which in itself show the blade itself is stronger than shusui... the blackening can happen temporary as well when imbuing Haki in it, and that Black Enma we can already say should be as strong as normal 12 supreme
this does not show me that enma is stronger than shusui as it is now what this tells me is that enma did exactly what zoro wanted it to do in 955: by the time im used to this i will be stronger zoro is indeed stronger now as enma made zoro go all out and unleash his adv coc haki but u can not ignore that right now in story shusui is still the elite blade because it is black and enma is not to me when zoro turns enma black then and only then is it over shusui. Lastly it is purely your headcannon that temporary imbuement of haki matches a black blade we have no concrete proof of this and u know it
By this logic then what does a permanent black blade provide that a blade imbued with haki can not ??? why does oda have tengu tell zoro about black blades when zoro already has them lol??? By your logic zoro has no need for black blades because he can just temporarily make one and have 3 of the most elite swords in history
offended?
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offended?
Enma, even after pulling out a huge amount of khaki, which made Zoro's hand thin, did not pull out acoc, only ryuo
Who said that Shusui > Top 12 Blades? Black Blade Shusui lives only on his 21-sword shooting range. . Shusui is the most elite of the 21 best swords. This is Vano's best blade. 99.9% of fencers don't want to get involved with enma because of nerf
The haters of Zoro are constantly silent about one point. Zoro was not given Enmu just like that as a gift. No. Before that, vano Shusui's best blade was taken away from him, which was completely mastered and controlled. Which had the ability to combine blows into one and amplify the blow three times. He didn't need a ton of khaki, and he didn't let the owner down during the fight. Because of his strength and weight, Zoro calmly beat off Orz's blows. I think Zoro would have handled the hakai much better if shusui had stayed with him and, thanks to the combination of the power of three blades in one blow, would not have spoiled as much haki as with enma.
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Who said that Shusui > Top 12 Blades? Black Blade Shusui lives only on his 21-sword shooting range. . Shusui is the most elite of the 21 best swords. This is Vano's best blade. 99.9% of fencers don't want to get involved with enma because of nerf
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The haters of Zoro are constantly silent about one point. Zoro was not given Enmu just like that as a gift. No. Before that, vano Shusui's best blade was taken away from him, which was completely mastered and controlled. Which had the ability to combine blows into one and amplify the blow three times. He didn't need a ton of khaki, and he didn't let the owner down during the fight. Because of his strength and weight, Zoro calmly beat off Orz's blows. I think Zoro would have handled the hakai much better if shusui had stayed with him and, thanks to the combination of the power of three blades in one blow, would not have spoiled as much haki as with enma.
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its not my logic, its Mihawk's.
The first time Black Blade was mentioned, it was already mentioned why it was special, because of its "toughness" and "unbreakable".
a permanent black blade doesn't constantly consume your Haki and it will retain its toughness/quality forever, which could help user preserve Haki and use Haki only for attack purpose and not for the purpose of protecting the sword itself from breaking
I already told you its not Wano's best, Wano has supreme grade sword, Shodai Kitetsu
and don't twist the words, it never said black blades are strongest of group, it said black blades are elite swords in existence
The first time Black Blade was mentioned, it was already mentioned why it was special, because of its "toughness" and "unbreakable".
a permanent black blade doesn't constantly consume your Haki and it will retain its toughness/quality forever, which could help user preserve Haki and use Haki only for attack purpose and not for the purpose of protecting the sword itself from breaking
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I already told you its not Wano's best, Wano has supreme grade sword, Shodai Kitetsu
and don't twist the words, it never said black blades are strongest of group, it said black blades are elite swords in existence