Powers & Abilities Ousen is more suited than SHK for head of military affairs position

[SakazOuki]

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY NOT BAIT

SHK from the warmth of the palace took 1 year to formulate a plan for the Zhao invasion

Gigachad Ousen in a matter of minutes conjured a plan that will wipe out the Zhao dynasty from the face of the earth.

Don't get me wrong I love SHK but he is more suited for the field, I have no doubt he'd surpass even the original Qin 6. Strategy and tactics are one thing, commanding the whole military forces is another.
Ousen has a better eye for people, is far more cunning & ruthless and with a more dominating personality.

Not to mention he'd make a better king than Sei but that topic is for another day



@Blackbeard @MarineHQ62 @Fleet Admiral Lee Hung @TheKnightOfTheSea @God Buggy @Owl Ki @Shanks @Jailer @Yo Tan Wa @Dark Admiral

 

[Jailer]

1) They can't trust Ousen and his ambition to have him be that close to the King

2) SHK is strategically and physically capable, well suited for the King's personal army

 

[God Buggy]

Ousen > Shouheikun

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Don’t hate on my boy

They both have 99 INT, I’m pretty sure Hara wants to view them as equals who are just different rather than one being superior to the other.

I know stats are trash but for things like intelligence, I find them semi-reliable lol. Or at least I haven’t noticed any huge discrepancies.

 

[MarineHQ]

I'll have to agree on this one. Ousen's skill to create a grand strategy is just like that of Riboku. Unmatched. We saw hints of it during the battle of Chiyoyou when Ousen predicted that Tou will request Reinforcements from him long before Tou wanted to do that.

Like @Jailer said his personality is not suited to make him sit next to the King and let him command a nations entire military but if Ousen were to have his own Kingdom he'd be insanely broken.

 

[Jailer]

I'll have to agree on this one. Ousen's skill to create a grand strategy is just like that of Riboku. Unmatched. We saw hints of it during the battle of Chiyoyou when Ousen predicted that Tou will request Reinforcements from him long before Tou wanted to do that.

Like @Jailer said his personality is not suited to make him sit next to the King and let him command a nations entire military but if Ousen were to have his own Kingdom he'd be insanely broken.

Riboku will regret not accepting Ousen's offer, he would create the SUPREMACY STATE

 

[Shanks]

Discard the past of Ousen and he might be the excellent choice for that post.

- When SHK was under the tutelage of Koshou, Ousen's tactics and strategies were already on par with Qin six as stated by Koshou.

- The way Ousen made southern Zhao project successful while discarding the original plan of SHK and later play with Riboku who made all sorts of defense plans.

- Lastly the solving supply issue.

They both have 99 INT, I’m pretty sure Hara wants to view them as equals who are just different rather than one being superior to the other

Today even Major is using stats from databook.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

I will also include that Shouheikun was at least in part chosen for his position due to Ryofui’s political maneuvering and him using Shouheikun as a pawn


Not to say that Shouheikun isn’t the…..second….most qualified man for the job in Qin

Today even Major is using stats from databook.

 

[Shanks]

I will also include that Shouheikun was at least in part chosen for his position due to Ryofui’s political maneuvering and him using Shouheikun as a pawn

Don't you think it might be SHK who entered in the Qin court using Ryofui and get that post with the least efforts for his future plans(grand scheme).

After getting that post, all the things he did was to impress EiSei and show him that he's loyal to Qin. Specially during the period of Sai.

Heki knows about your pain.

 

[God Buggy]

I will also include that Shouheikun was at least in part chosen for his position due to Ryofui’s political maneuvering and him using Shouheikun as a pawn


Not to say that Shouheikun isn’t the…..second….most qualified man for the job in Qin

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Don't you think it might be SHK who entered in the Qin court using Ryofui and get that post with the least efforts for his future plans(grand scheme).

Yeah…yeah that’s it…Shouheikun was playing Ryofui the whole time

Spoiler

 

[Shanks]

Spoiler

F**k those stats.... SHK is the real GOAT

Spoiler

Hara : stats

 

[Monet]

hell nah

shk is better than anyone
the only suitable among current 6gg is tou

 

[SakazOuki]

the only suitable among current 6gg is tou

Post automatically merged: Jul 12, 2022

 

[Desolate Smaug]

That panel you posted though is something that is needed in the field not in a palace HQ. Don't get me wrong I think Ousen can scheme up grand plans better than SHK, the question is if SHK could come up with last minute grand plans in the field the way Ousen did.
SHK would be leading from the front like Tou and Mou Bu. I think it's nice the current Qin 6 has Ou Sen and Kanki who can sit back a bit and direct forces like actual generals.

 

[LilPanda]

Historically speaking, Ousen spanks basically every general in china of his time, he’s a monster strategically, or at least he will be eos.

 

[Big Boiii]

No Ousen is not better tactically than SHK. Even if one would want to use the WZI campaign.

SHK tactically picked Ousen as the CIC of the campaign, because he KNEW shit wouldn't be going according to his plan, so he needed somebody who could adapt. Yes Ousen suggested the whole Qi thing, but it wasn't Ousen's plan in how to execute it, that was all SHK as far as we know. In addition to that he strategically placed the M3 into the Ousen army for the campaign knowing that the raised him would come in crucial help to the campaign, and all 3 of em mfs ended up saving Ousen's campaign.

Ain't no mf in Qin that's got his foresight, outside of Tou.

Ousen has a better eye for people, is far more cunning & ruthless and with a more dominating personality.

I'm sorry what??? Ousen has a better eye for people than SHK???

SHK who essentially raised 5 future Qin 6 level inidividuals - Shin, Kyoukai, Ouhon, Mouten, Ten (and 6 if you think Mouki can get there).

Bro... what

 

[Dragomir]

Ousen would make a better chief but I disagree that he needs to be the chief and SHK in the field. For Qin to be as productive as possible with their generals, it's better to keep things the way they are.

It is a matter of specialization and how you can be most productive with the assets you have. Yes, Ousen can come with this grand, elaborate plans in no time on the battlefield while SHK needs a lot of time while at home. That is precisely why Ousen should be a battlefield general while SHK is the chief. In a battle, tactics are more important than strategies. And really quick thinking tactics are really important. Everything is moving fast, people are dying left and right. You need to be quick on your feet and come up with different plans at a moment's notice. Ousen is better at doing that than SHK. SHK cannot be out here spending a ton of time trying to come up a plan that would defeat his eenemy while his army is getting beaten in front of him.

Let me put it like this. Say Ousen has a 100 in strategies and a 95 in tactics. SHK has a 95 in strategies and an 88 in tactics. These are completely arbitrary numbers made up to just drive my point home. Don't take them too seriously.

While Ousen is better at both things than SHK is and would thus be better as the chief, it would be more effective to have SHK as the chief and Ousen on the battlefield. It's simply a matter of whether or not you want a 95 or an 88 on the field.

You can either put SHK on the field with Ousen as the chief leaving you with 88 field and 100 chief. Or you put Ousen on the field with SHK as the chief leaving you with 95 chief and 95 field. Which one is more efficient? The latter.

Ousen is better at doing both but the gap in tactics side is bigger than it on the strategies side. You want to minimize the gap and be as efficient in the outcome you want to achieve as possible. SHK is still good enough on the strategies side that you won't feel a noticeable difference in the outcome while you would if you put SHK on the battlefield.

I hope that makes sense.

 

[Big Boiii]

It is a matter of specialization and how you can be most productive with the assets you have. Yes, Ousen can come with this grand, elaborate plans in no time on the battlefield while SHK needs a lot of time while at home. That is precisely why Ousen should be a battlefield general while SHK is the chief. In a battle, tactics are more important than strategies. And really quick thinking tactics are really important. Everything is moving fast, people are dying left and right. You need to be quick on your feet and come up with different plans at a moment's notice. Ousen is better at doing that than SHK. SHK cannot be out here spending a ton of time trying to come up a plan that would defeat his eenemy while his army is getting beaten in front of him.

You're being heavily biased imo.

"Ousen can come with this grand elaborate plans in no time on the battlefield". What grand elaborate plans has he come up with in no time? His plans for invasions have taken months to come up with. I'm guessing you're thinking of something like the Locust?

Tactics.. when's the last time you saw SHK's tactics? He's only stepped foot on the battlefield once in the series, and his tactics shown were top tier when he did. Then before that he gave the Moubu army a strategem to execute which utilized Moubu's strength and capabilities to it's highest degree and end up mowing through the chu. You gotta explain bro how you think the dude that runs the state's biggest strategist academy would be that inferior to Ousen in tactics, especially when tactics are the very core of being a strategist.

What's the primary job of a Chief of Military? Being able to create the strongest military for his nation. Shit like strategy is secondary to that. The very first and most important job of the CoM is being able to utilize the nation's resources to create the strongest possible military. And you're saying Ousen can do that better than SHK?

Has Ousen displayed he can nurture talent like SHK can?
Has Ousen displayed his foresight is on par with SHK?
Has Ousen displayed his eye for talent is on par with SHK?

 

[Desolate Smaug]

Ousen would make a better chief but I disagree that he needs to be the chief and SHK in the field. For Qin to be as productive as possible with their generals, it's better to keep things the way they are.

It is a matter of specialization and how you can be most productive with the assets you have. Yes, Ousen can come with this grand, elaborate plans in no time on the battlefield while SHK needs a lot of time while at home. That is precisely why Ousen should be a battlefield general while SHK is the chief. In a battle, tactics are more important than strategies. And really quick thinking tactics are really important. Everything is moving fast, people are dying left and right. You need to be quick on your feet and come up with different plans at a moment's notice. Ousen is better at doing that than SHK. SHK cannot be out here spending a ton of time trying to come up a plan that would defeat his eenemy while his army is getting beaten in front of him.

Let me put it like this. Say Ousen has a 100 in strategies and a 95 in tactics. SHK has a 95 in strategies and an 88 in tactics. These are completely arbitrary numbers made up to just drive my point home. Don't take them too seriously.

While Ousen is better at both things than SHK is and would thus be better as the chief, it would be more effective to have SHK as the chief and Ousen on the battlefield. It's simply a matter of whether or not you want a 95 or an 88 on the field.

You can either put SHK on the field with Ousen as the chief leaving you with 88 field and 100 chief. Or you put Ousen on the field with SHK as the chief leaving you with 95 chief and 95 field. Which one is more efficient? The latter.

Ousen is better at doing both but the gap in tactics side is bigger than it on the strategies side. You want to minimize the gap and be as efficient in the outcome you want to achieve as possible. SHK is still good enough on the strategies side that you won't feel a noticeable difference in the outcome while you would if you put SHK on the battlefield.

I hope that makes sense.

Yea had a similar thought. Ousen can think on his feet even better than Riboku tbh.
SHK is a light Riboku in the sense that he plans are mostly grand plans.
SHK though is a martial beast. Combined with his tactics and strategies he could easily be one of the best generals in China in terms of Balance. Would be nice to see him leading a campaign.