General & Others Letdown ?

[gz89]

hello new here, start reading OP around 2003 so i think i can say after almost 2 decades of constantly reading that the series is going down the hill since TS unfortunately.

We are reaching the climax and it feels strange because we have a blackbeard who mereley did anything except from killing an almost dead WB and running away from akainu and Oda has portrayed this dude to be the last opponent for luffy or one of the last ones. But the thing is he is so underdeveloped and imo he seems really week atm compared to the other big shots.

We were introduced a character (im) who is the mastermind behind CD - 5 elders out of the blue and after two decades of portraying the 5 elders as smart and carefull guys you have them at the last chapters being idiots (i am refering to the "not publish the D "thing)

Kidd.Sabo and some other characters seems like Oda is forcing us to like them but in reality they are shit and if the missed the story would progress fine.

i can continue for hours but that's just my first post here after reading for years so i wont say much.

 

[Boiroy]

 

[Punk Rotten]

You’re in the right place if you make threads that hate on post timeskip. WorstGen welcomes it.

While I agree it got worst than pre timeskip, it’s still pretty good. Oda’s formula just is getting a lil stale. As soon as the final saga really is kicking in, people will be hype regardless. Some things the fans will love, some things the fans won’t. Normal for a long ass series like this

 

[gz89]

You’re in the right place if you make threads that hate on post timeskip. WorstGen welcomes it.

While I agree it got worst than pre timeskip, it’s still pretty good. Oda’s formula just is getting a lil stale. As soon as the final saga really is kicking in, people will be hype regardless. Some things the fans will love, some things the fans won’t. Normal for a long ass series like this

I dont really hate the series post TS and thats why i didnt stop reading it, it has its good moments for sure but Oda stretched some arcs so much and created so many characters and i believe this was his mistake. I am almost sure that he regrets adding some crewmembers in the SH in the first place but he cant do anything now.

 

[Herrera95]

Disagree a bit.

I liked post TS until Zou although is not better than pre TS.

I like Sabo and used to like Kid until Wano. Or until Onigashima at least.

Teach didn't killed WB. WB died by disease. But Teach is already a well developed villain and we will still se more development of him. I agree that he doesn't seem as strong as Kaido but he has his DF which puts him in the same league against DF users.

 

[gz89]

Disagree a bit.

I liked post TS until Zou although is not better than pre TS.

I like Sabo and used to like Kid until Wano. Or until Onigashima at least.

Teach didn't killed WB. WB died by disease. But Teach is already a well developed villain and we will still se more development of him. I agree that he doesn't seem as strong as Kaido but he has his DF which puts him in the same league against DF users.

Post TS starting at SB then FI Oda pretty much drag out these 2 arcs for no reason. He could easily showoff the powerup of the crew withoud sanji being a moron who nosebleed every chapter, NFP could be handled way earlier etc etc.

PH i also dragout with the fucking shinokuni breaking our balls for i dont even know how many chapters but overall i think it was decent.

Dressrosa started and i really loved it but the pacing was awful and i understand that Oda wanted to establish SH grand fleet bug giving so much screentime to fodder warriors trying to make them look good etc was time waste. Sabo is literally shallow character and it would have been much better staying dead. I liked him in the luffy fb but that's it. As for Kidd the only good moment of him is that is caring for his crew and thats all.

As for the BB thing, Oda started portray him really well at first and it was awesome, but down the line it started feeling a bit off. I cant take a villian/antagonist serious just because out of the blue he mastered some DF without showing us something for so many years.

 

[milluki]

Oda is trolling. The Final Saga will be long and a great pay off. Blackbeard vs Shanks, Kid vs Kuzan, Lafitte vs Marco, Luffy vs Akainu, Sanji vs Kizaru...
Strawhats going to the Moon. And a lot more. It will feel fast because so much will be happening.

 

[gz89]

Oda is trolling. The Final Saga will be long and a great pay off. Blackbeard vs Shanks, Kid vs Kuzan, Lafitte vs Marco, Luffy vs Akainu, Sanji vs Kizaru...
Strawhats going to the Moon. And a lot more. It will feel fast because so much will be happening.

I really hope you are trolling lol. How does it even make sense to have matchups like kid-kuzan, laf-marco and sanji-kizaru(this one might be a skirmish like fujitora v zoro in DR but i dont really see sanji take out an admiral maybe EoS and even that its debetable) Also where do we get that the SH will go to the moon ? is it just based that enel go and because of some uranus theories around youtube ?

 

[milluki]

I really hope you are trolling lol. How does it even make sense to have matchups like kid-kuzan, laf-marco and sanji-kizaru(this one might be a skirmish like fujitora v zoro in DR but i dont really see sanji take out an admiral maybe EoS and even that its debetable) Also where do we get that the SH will go to the moon ? is it just based that enel go and because of some uranus theories around youtube ?

Kid vs Kuzan and Lafitte vs Marco is based on my own thinking, which I have explained in short youtube videos (see my signiture). I will soon make a video about the Moon too!!

 

[gz89]

Kid vs Kuzan and Lafitte vs Marco is based on my own thinking, which I have explained in short youtube videos (see my signiture). I will soon make a video about the Moon too!!

sorry friend but your videos dont make any sense. there is literally no need to show us laf vs marco as its already happened during the war between bbp and wb remnants. its like downplay marco from the gorosei telling that he may be able to defeat bb to be able just to fight laffite or even worse lose to him. The Kid allying with BB and taking down Kuzan doesnt even need to be explained its pure fiction.

 

[milluki]

sorry friend but your videos dont make any sense. there is literally no need to show us laf vs marco as its already happened during the war between bbp and wb remnants. its like downplay marco from the gorosei telling that he may be able to defeat bb to be able just to fight laffite or even worse lose to him. The Kid allying with BB and taking down Kuzan doesnt even need to be explained its pure fiction.

marco's fight against lafitte will happen in a year or so but he will very soon join the redhair pirates. the kid thing will also become obvious sooner than you might think. in the latest chapter limejuice talked about kid in an antagonistic way. so it won't be much time until i can tell you here "i told you so"!

 

[Fn Lucci]

"reading since 2003"

"Blackbeard is underdeveloped"

 

[gz89]

"reading since 2003"

"Blackbeard is underdeveloped"

i guess you didnt read what i wrote above and just randomly spamming.

As for the BB thing, Oda started portray him really well at first and it was awesome, but down the line it started feeling a bit off. I cant take a villian/antagonist serious just because out of the blue he mastered some DF without showing us something for so many years.

 

[Herrera95]

Strawhats going to the Moon.

Are you from Reddit?

 

[milluki]

Are you from Reddit?

that was my latest reddit post about the moon, but my views have evolved. https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/vfbvuq

 

[Fn Lucci]

i guess you didnt read what i wrote above and just randomly spamming.

As for the BB thing, Oda started portray him really well at first and it was awesome, but down the line it started feeling a bit off. I cant take a villian/antagonist serious just because out of the blue he mastered some DF without showing us something for so many years.

Randomly spamming. Randomly spamming looks more like saying you've been reading for twenty years before stating that Blackbeard's powers were out of the blue. One of the only things we know is that he fucking plotted on his powerset for years.

Can't take him serious? Akainu is serious. Shiryu is serious. Zoro is serious. Shanks is serious. Sengoku is serious. The first step is understanding the time and place for seriousness in OP.

You started on pretty early with your disappointment in BB, "just running away from WB" and such. So unless you actually replace that bit, nothing you say actually makes that sound any better .

We're so far away still from seeing and understanding BB. Oda gave us a ridiculous teaser, the "more than one person" thing deliberately because of that.

Going back to the subject, we have no idea what the final battle looks like. Im? Akainu? Coby? Shanks? Buggy? So it's not like we need some cookie cutter build up to Teach where Luffy goes punch for punch to win the OP. BB frankly exists as a foil to cookie cutter, just like Luffy. Fat ugly guy with skinny arms. What part of him doesn't create distance from the standard shonen rival?

Luffy doesn't like him, is sometimes the total opposite, but doesn't hate him. And the crazy thing about the implication of being an opposite is that Oda doesn't even need to use him to build that point. The volume cover from way back showing the new Yonko... turns out that and Buggy is blue to Shanks being red, Luffy is white to Teach being black. Newgate turned out to be a red herring, that's fucking nuts. And no, he didn't run from Newgate lol. He just didn't beat him man to man, because again, he's not a standard character. He's the epitome of a pirate and it gets interesting because he's the one guy who won't get by through sheer force as an endgame level antagonist.

 

[gz89]

Randomly spamming. Randomly spamming looks more like saying you've been reading for twenty years before stating that Blackbeard's powers were out of the blue. One of the only things we know is that he fucking plotted on his powerset for years.

Can't take him serious? Akainu is serious. Shiryu is serious. Zoro is serious. Shanks is serious. Sengoku is serious. The first step is understanding the time and place for seriousness in OP.

You started on pretty early with your disappointment in BB, "just running away from WB" and such. So unless you actually replace that bit, nothing you say actually makes that sound any better .

We're so far away still from seeing and understanding BB. Oda gave us a ridiculous teaser, the "more than one person" thing deliberately because of that.

Going back to the subject, we have no idea what the final battle looks like. Im? Akainu? Coby? Shanks? Buggy? So it's not like we need some cookie cutter build up to Teach where Luffy goes punch for punch to win the OP. BB frankly exists as a foil to cookie cutter, just like Luffy. Fat ugly guy with skinny arms. What part of him doesn't create distance from the standard shonen rival?

Luffy doesn't like him, is sometimes the total opposite, but doesn't hate him. And the crazy thing about the implication of being an opposite is that Oda doesn't even need to use him to build that point. The volume cover from way back showing the new Yonko... turns out that and Buggy is blue to Shanks being red, Luffy is white to Teach being black. Newgate turned out to be a red herring, that's fucking nuts. And no, he didn't run from Newgate lol. He just didn't beat him man to man, because again, he's not a standard character. He's the epitome of a pirate and it gets interesting because he's the one guy who won't get by through sheer force as an endgame level antagonist.

I dont mean i cant take him seriusly as having a serius character like akainu/zoro etc but being an actual THREAT. I didnt say his power is out of blue, i said when we reach the final battle being able to fight against luffy/shanks or whoever he fights and suddenly being ultra strong while we didnt see any of his progress except having 2 df is out of the blue.

i dont get the "just running away from wb" what do you mean ? all i said was that in early chapters up until MF we as readers had some clue about bb. after TS there is literally nothing and sorry but being suddenly Yonku doesnt mean shit if you count the Buggy joke, neither we saw him and his crew having at least some serius fights except from Burgess being foderized by Sabo.

 

[Fn Lucci]

I dont mean i cant take him seriusly as having a serius character like akainu/zoro etc but being an actual THREAT. I didnt say his power is out of blue, i said when we reach the final battle being able to fight against luffy/shanks or whoever he fights and suddenly being ultra strong while we didnt see any of his progress except having 2 df is out of the blue.

He's had the two overpowered DFs for a few years now, which doesn't include the time he would have spent studying them and seeing Whitebeard in action to learn about it first hand. "Out of the blue" makes no sense unless you're talking about Sabo becoming Entei within a month or using named attacks within a minute of eating. Or maybe Khalifa using soap in such creative ways, or Momo doing flame clouds within one night, etc.

i dont get the "just running away from wb" what do you mean ? all i said was that in early chapters up until MF we as readers had some clue about bb. after TS there is literally nothing and sorry but being suddenly Yonku doesnt mean shit if you count the Buggy joke, neither we saw him and his crew having at least some serius fights except from Burgess being foderized by Sabo.

Another phrase used poorly. Suddenly becoming Yonko... he did a recruitment drive from the level six Hell by betraying the Govt and breaking into Impel Down, while orchestrating the deaths of Ace and WB in the same day. But then they mentioned, amongst his other actions, that he beat the shit out of Marco and the rest to become Yonko. Luffy went from nobody to 300 million in maybe a few months, BB is two years into this stage of his campaign. The whole point of the timeskip being that long was giving the landscape enough time to change considerably... even though again, Marineford saw BB create a massive power vacuum in the New world.

The only way to continue this argument for you is to overlook shit because you're petty about being called out on a bad point.

 

[gz89]

He's had the two overpowered DFs for a few years now, which doesn't include the time he would have spent studying them and seeing Whitebeard in action to learn about it first hand. "Out of the blue" makes no sense unless you're talking about Sabo becoming Entei within a month or using named attacks within a minute of eating. Or maybe Khalifa using soap in such creative ways, or Momo doing flame clouds within one night, etc.


Another phrase used poorly. Suddenly becoming Yonko... he did a recruitment drive from the level six Hell by betraying the Govt and breaking into Impel Down, while orchestrating the deaths of Ace and WB in the same day. But then they mentioned, amongst his other actions, that he beat the shit out of Marco and the rest to become Yonko. Luffy went from nobody to 300 million in maybe a few months, BB is two years into this stage of his campaign. The whole point of the timeskip being that long was giving the landscape enough time to change considerably... even though again, Marineford saw BB create a massive power vacuum in the New world.

The only way to continue this argument for you is to overlook shit because you're petty about being called out on a bad point.

I feel like you dont get the point im trying to say. So far we have characters like kaido,admirals,wb,rayliegh etc being monstrous strong and suddenly we have a character who started in early chapters as very interesting antagonist/villian during Mock town , Banaro island ID/MF and was building his strengh and crew but after that its gone. After the TS we didnt see ANYTHING from the crew ( no i dont count the moria being in bb island or burgess being hype tool for sabo) that might probably be the last crew our MC fight. Its not only powerwise but character and personallity development and dont tell me you are really interested for anyone from the BBP except bb/shiryu and maybe laffite/docq all the other members might as well die next chapter and no one gives a fuck.

 

[Fn Lucci]

I feel like you dont get the point im trying to say. So far we have characters like kaido,admirals,wb,rayliegh etc being monstrous strong and suddenly we have a character who started in early chapters as very interesting antagonist/villian during Mock town , Banaro island ID/MF and was building his strengh and crew but after that its gone. After the TS we didnt see ANYTHING from the crew ( no i dont count the moria being in bb island or burgess being hype tool for sabo) that might probably be the last crew our MC fight. Its not only powerwise but character and personallity development and dont tell me you are really interested for anyone from the BBP except bb/shiryu and maybe laffite/docq all the other members might as well die next chapter and no one gives a fuck.

I didn't give a fuck about Arlong's crew. Didn't care about the BW members after Bon, didn't care about Gedatsu, didn't care about half of CP9, anyone under Moria, etc.

Teach is compelling because he's half mystery, a quarter similar to Luffy, and a quarter bastard inversion of Luffy. I started reading at the end of 2002 and I was impressed that four years later *that* guy showed up and ruined Ace with a monster ability. Then Luffy saw him in Impel Down in the middle of a massive scheme where he actually seemed encouraging, then Marineford, etc. It's just weird if you're gonna sit here like he's not more developed than Akainu and Im combined, or comparable in screentime to Shanks/Roger who have literally been two of the most relevant characters since the very first chapter.

We still don't even have the gorosei names, how tf do you complain about a character on the horizon with the magnitude of BB