Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1056 Spoilers Discussion

[Elder Lee Hung]

How else do you make tho that organization as strong as a yonko? I do think it's doable without Crocodile being YC1, but he had to have reached Commander tier genetally, being able to beat some of them (YC2/3), even if they use bounties manipulation/big brains to keep the marines away from them.

Genuine post: the whole world thinks Buggy is as strong as Shanks and Whitebeard, ever since Whitebeard asked Buggy for his help at Marineford, and ever since Buggy talked down to Shanks at Marineford, rumors have spread to the masses that Buggy is as strong as them because this is how Buggy’s ignorant crew interpreted his interactions with them. (Buggy’s ignorant crew sound like a lot of unironic OP powerscalers, lol)

This is like, the whole point of Buggy’s post Impel Down character journey and I don’t know how anyone can deny that this perception on Buggy exists.

So it’s pretty easy to understand how Buggy’s group is perceived as a Yonko level crew with this in mind.

 

[Jailer]

I wouldn't lose Hope on Weevil; he and Buggy are ment to be together.

That's what I thought before too, but until then this is all we have. I think Oda should have included him, zero reason to hide him if he's member

 

[Monkey D Theories]

@Fleet Admiral Lee Hung genuine post

How else do you make tho that organization as strong as a yonko? I do think it's doable without Crocodile being YC1, but he had to have reached Commander tier genetally, being able to beat some of them (YC2/3), even if they use bounties manipulation/big brains to keep the marines away from them.

Mihawk, Crocodile, Daz Bones, Crocodiles new crew/mafia, Buggy's impel down prisoners, and their big brain, there's nothing else as far as we know of, so what do you make of these beyond being good at scheming while not being completely pushovers at the same time

They probably aren't stronger than the other yonko crews. They are just seen as the next best thing after Luffy, likely because the WG thinks buggy is a top tier due to mihawk and crocodile using him as the face of cross guild.

 

[The White Crane]

How Cross Guild works

Mihawk - To prevent an Admiral from just walking up and killing everyone

Crocodile - To make deals with the Warehouse Magnate, the Smuggler guy and the Shipping king in the underworld to Distribute the funds for bounties around the world

Buggy - To provide manpower that actually distributes everything and protects the funds.

What’s unexplained is WHERE THE FUCK ARE THEY GETTING THIS MUCH MONEY?

This is actually a thoughtful post, ngl.

As for the money, didn't Buggy spend the last couple of years for expedition and treasure hunting? He could be stinking rich for all we know.

 

[Franosuke]

imo the sheer fact Mihawk isn't a yonko in of itself puts him below shanks.

Shanks is portrayed as the strongest conqueror. The fact Mihawk lets Buggy call himself captain is proof Mihawk either isn't a conqueror, or if he is, he isn't a very good one.
This isn't to say Mihawk isn't a top tier, he clearly has some top tier portrayal. But it puts him in the same vein as Ryokugyu. Possibly even worst, as all the admirals fought stronger characters in MF.

Also, no yonko(bar buggy) would have gotten stalled by vista. Queen got put on his ass when he tried to challenge O-Lin directly, had to use a cheap shot against her, and literally shat his pants when she recovered her memories. Kaido 1 shot Luffy before and after he got ACoA.

Overall, the fact Oda uses him to further buggy's gag is just one more in the pile of evidence that Mihawk is just a low top tier. Definitely impressive in his own right, on another level from most YCs, but definitely not top 5 like zoro fans claim.

poor momo wants zoro to teach him swordmanship , he doesn't know that he can't be a Swordman because he has devil fruit

LMAOOOOOO

 

[HAJI]

post croco

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[Jailer]

They probably aren't stronger than the other yonko crews. They are just seen as the next best thing after Luffy, likely because the WG thinks buggy is a top tier due to mihawk and crocodile using him as the face of cross guild.

They def aren't, I am not saying that hell they are weaker. I am simply saying some strength + their schemes and big brain using this bounty manipulation into their adcantage and possibly Crocodile's mafia manipulation, and of course Buggy's character Lee has a point there, simply want to make some sense of this instead of simply scaling x character to that level just to make a balance.

 

[The White Crane]

They probably aren't stronger than the other yonko crews. They are just seen as the next best thing after Luffy, likely because the WG thinks buggy is a top tier due to mihawk and crocodile using him as the face of cross guild.

Glad to see someone else thinking having Buggy being regarded as a leader is convenient for Mihawk and Croc. They got all the protection and freedom to chill out while Buggy has to genuinely stave off the attention of the Marines and the WG.

 

[Shiroyru]

That's what I thought before too, but until then this is all we have. I think Oda should have included him, zero reason to hide him if he's member

Maybe it’s because the world views him has braindead muscle who just takes and follows orders, while Buggy, Croc, and Mihawk are the ones who command?

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

Right, because everything that the newspaper has reported in One Piece has always been correct.

The Marine's inability to give Chopper a proper bounty is so funny to me. No matter what Chopper does, they just don't care. Unless there's some weird reason for why, like, because of his different forms, they don't think that Chopper is actually a threat.

 

[Jailer]

Genuine post: the whole world thinks Buggy is as strong as Shanks and Whitebeard, ever since Whitebeard asked Buggy for his help at Marineford, and ever since Buggy talked down to Shanks at Marineford, rumors have spread to the masses that Buggy is as strong as them because this is how Buggy’s ignorant crew interpreted his interactions with them. (Buggy’s ignorant crew sound like a lot of unironic OP powerscalers, lol)

This is like, the whole point of Buggy’s post Impel Down character journey and I don’t know how anyone can deny that this perception on Buggy exists.

So it’s pretty easy to understand how Buggy’s group is perceived as a Yonko level crew with this in mind.

Fair enough, where would you rank current Crocodile with all this in mind

 

[Erkan12]

Are you mentally challenged?

Serious question.

Blackbeard only made it out alive thanks to Shiryu handling everyone the antidote.

Wrong butthurt mihawk wanker.

Magellan only poisoned Yami BB because Yami BB didn't know Magellan had poison ability.

The second round showed who is stronger, Yami BB won and scarred Magellan.

:cheers:

Nope. Zoro will be above the YC1 by the time Luffy becomes Pirate King.

Cope harder.

Are you ok mojave?

Is Whitebeard not a Yonko because he is the strongest man?

Luffy will remain as a Yonko, and Zolo will remain as a YC1 until they found One Piece.

Now, again, when will YC1 Zolo beat Mihawk's ass? Before finding One Piece or after?

 

[Shanks]

not really, Crocodile power up is already something palpable and predictable... zkk is just stupid

Crocodile at least looks like someone smart and tenacious, had plenty of time to rethink his choices and get stronger.

However yeah I agree let's chill and jump to conclusions yet about his power level, but he has to be at least ranging at commander levels, along with being a good schemer so they can keep this organization running.

During MF Crocodile did attacked on Akainu but there wasn't any haki in it, while same Akainu did commented on Marco and Vista's haki imbued attack.

Or Oda will make him jump in strength just coz of TS like others. Though even Law got trashed by Doffy post TS.

 

[Leitz_1]

The Marine's inability to give Chopper a proper bounty is so funny to me. No matter what Chopper does, they just don't care. Unless there's some weird reason for why, like, because of his different forms, they don't think that Chopper is actually a threat.

No bounty needed for a mascot and merchandise

 

[SakazOuki]

Superior portrayal

 

[Jailer]

During MF Crocodile did attacked on Akainu but there wasn't any haki in it, while same Akainu did commented on Marco and Vista's haki imbued attack.

Or Oda will make him jump in strength just coz of TS like others. Though even Law got trashed by Doffy post TS.

2 years is plenty of time to at last give him CoA and CoO. Iron sand with haki.

 

[comrade]

My guess would be that Crocodile, having himself some military strength, network and the necessary intelligence, contacted Buggy first to discuss the establishment of such an organisation (knowing Buggy has the network and ressources too) and after that got in touch with Dracule, revealing his plan and asking whether he, Dracule, who is excited about being in the piracy game again, would be excited about participating in chasing down the marines systematically and being rewarded for it, rather than being the one targeted, effectively flipping the roles.

The fact Mihawk lets Buggy call himself captain is proof Mihawk either isn't a conqueror, or if he is, he isn't a very good one.

With all due respect, but true conquerors have proven to swollow their pride.
- Shanks being beaten up and spitted on by fodder Bandits
- Luffy bowing down to Hancock to ask for her subordinates to be spared
- Zoro bowing down to Mihawk to receive teachings, in order to be a good right hand man for Luffy
- Roger bowing down to Whitebeard and asking him to have Oden join him
- Oden embarrassing himself for 5 years and dancing, in order to try and make peace with Orochi

So why would you assume Mihawk would even care about the public perceiving Buggy as the leader, when everyone with a brain knows anyways that this is bullshit? Again, Crocodile himself in Marineford told Doffy that he won't even team up with him as equal partners, but rather only accept him as a subordinate. But apparently Crocodile in this case doesn't mind either to be perceived as an underling of this fodder clown. So obviously, both Crocodile and Mihawk will have reason to give a shit about public perception.

 

[The White Crane]

@Fleet Admiral Lee Hung genuine post

How else do you make tho that organization as strong as a yonko? I do think it's doable without Crocodile being YC1, but he had to have reached Commander tier genetally, being able to beat some of them (YC2/3), even if they use bounties manipulation/big brains to keep the marines away from them.

Mihawk, Crocodile, Daz Bones, Crocodiles new crew/mafia, Buggy's impel down prisoners, and their big brain, there's nothing else as far as we know of, so what do you make of these beyond being good at scheming while not being completely pushovers at the same time

I think Croc can genuinely win against King, Queen, Jack, Smoothie, and Cracker, tbh. Having an Admiral-level fighter like Mihawk as an ally doesn't hurt either.

 

[centurion]

Maybe it’s because the world views him has braindead muscle who just takes and follows orders, while Buggy, Croc, and Mihawk are the ones who command?

If thats the case, wouldnt his mother Bakkin be shown instead?

she is the one that commands him

and the theory of her being a former Rocks member still holds strong which means the WG already know who she is

not some unknown granny

 

[Shanks]

2 years is plenty of time to at last give him CoA and CoO. Iron sand with haki.

Yup. Understandable and @Bogard post made it more clear.

Crocodile shouldn't be underestimated.