Powers & Abilities Zoro and the Scabbards

I don’t really get how you can conclude that Zoro taming Enma equals Zoro being stronger than the Scabbards 😓 when it’s not like the test for taming Enma was to to beat it 1 v 1 in combat with others failing and only Zoro succeeding. Zoro taming Enma has more to do with his mental fortitude & him being special/unique in comparison to regular swordsmen that anything else.

@Gran D. Master has already pointed it out in that Enma is similar to the Kitetsu. For example chances are that none of the scabbards can wield Kitetsu so are we going to say pre-TS Zoro greater than the scabbards as well?

There’s no doubt that Zoro received portrayal that singles him out from regular swordsmen like the scabbards but it doesn’t automatically mean he’s stronger than all of them atm (or rather prior to getting Enma).
It has to do with Haki control too bro.
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I'm going against the consensus here. I don't think Zoro is as powerful as Kyoshiro (who I think is Denjiro) or Ashura Doji just yet


This is not true. It stated that everyone who has tried to has been unable to. The scabbards, to our knowledge, would not betray Oden and try to take his sword, so it's VERY unlikely those guys even attempted such a feat unless Oden let them try while they were alive.

It's clear he's more powerful than the ones we've seen the upper limits of at least. That being:
Kin'emon
Kanjuro
Raizo

Now. Let it be known that those three are the weakest scabbards we have seen - though I would suspect Kikunojo is also around that level of power. The problem for Zoro comes when we talk about Kawamatsu, Inuarashi, Nekomamushi and Ashura Doji.

Now, it is very likely Zoro is stronger than Kawamatsu, Inuarashi and Nekomamushi - given I think Zoro can push YC3 (being generous) whereas two of them had to 2v1 Jack. The problem comes when you look at Ashura Doji and Denjiro - the two strongest scabbards. IF these two are paired together, we can assume they're comparable in power (as they have been used to hype Oden's power)

I can't imagine Zoro doing this to Jack, let alone doing it as quickly as Ashura Doji did, until he masters Enma
Denjiro is hyped to be around as strong as Ashura Doji

Popular theory is that Denjiro is Kyoshiro, who did this
You get the impression that Kyoshiro > Zoro here. So assuming that theory is true, Zoro is around the top scabbards for power right now but will surpass them when Enma is tamed.


YC4/YC3 now

YC1 or thereabouts

Basically
Raizo < Kanjuro < Kikunojo < Kin'emon < Nekomamushi = Inuarashi ~ Kawamatsu < Current Zoro < Denjiro (If he is Kyoshiro) ~ Ashura Doji < Mastered Enma Zoro
What the hell? How is he surpassing them only when Enma is tamed and why wouldn't Zoro be able to do that to Jack. The monks were tossing Jack around like noting and we seen with the Enma training that Zoro has extra ordinary pool of Haki to Handle Enma. Controlling Enma is potrayed has a big feat in Wano and even Kappa. Zoro will be doing way better feats in this war then any of the 9 scabbards ever hope to do.
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fujitora wasnt sent flying in g3 , he was also pushed back.
as for ashura doji and kyoshiro, zoro didnt look more impressive than kyoshiro in their bout for sure . comparisons to ashura doji can be vague since he is yet to face a commander like jack at the same time , we have not seen law or kid do so either but I assume people rank those two above these people. we just have to wait and see
Zoro was injured and had two swords vs Kyoshiro. When Zoro healed he literally blocked Kappa like noting from a sneak attack.
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I like kyoshiro. He is strong, badass and enjoys decent hype around him.

However, I won't go into too much detail regarding that brief clash between him and Zoro because it doesn't mean anything.

Also, the way Zoro is progressing and the consistent hype is being build around him, I have no reason to put Zoro below or at par with kyoshiro especially when it's kyu who hasn't shown anything special nor enjoys any remarkable portrayal like that of king.
Zoro was nerf and injured when he faced Kyoshiro and had to worry about Hyori.
 
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He shits on them without Enma as well.
Oh that's what I meant to say. Kyoshiro > All Scabbards as he was confident he is gonna solo their ass. By portrayal alone Kyoshiro > Strongest scabbard.

And Kyoshiro couldn't even land a hit on mortally wounded Zoro who is missing his strongest weapon and signature fighting style. Not to mention how casually Zoro blocked Kawamatsu, one of the 3 strongest scabbards with one sword.
 
Kyoshiro can not be Denjiro as Kyoshiro is a public figure that Ashura Doji should know about. If he was Denjiro someone woulda mentioned it.

Not to mention why would Orochi keep one of the nine "ghosts" he is scared shitless of, so close to himself?
 
We have Kinemon clearly stating that he would refuse the sword if it was given to him.
No Zoro is not above the likes of Shutenmaru and the dukes.
 

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Kyoshiro can not be Denjiro as Kyoshiro is a public figure that Ashura Doji should know about. If he was Denjiro someone woulda mentioned it.
Not to mention why would Orochi keep one of the nine "ghosts" he is scared shitless of, so close to himself?
Koushiro, owner of Isshin Dojo. Still, it cannot be him as that guy left Wano way before 20 years ago and maybe never was in Wano...
 
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he is about the same level as the strongest Scabbard so it would say he is about Ashura Doji , or Inuarashi level . but he will surpass him by far this arc .
 
Kyoshiro can not be Denjiro as Kyoshiro is a public figure that Ashura Doji should know about. If he was Denjiro someone woulda mentioned it.

Not to mention why would Orochi keep one of the nine "ghosts" he is scared shitless of, so close to himself?
Also Hiyori and Shinobu both know Denjiro and they both know Kyoshiro and they both never mention they are same person
 
Lmao this "Respects his master" bullshit, yet he was saying "What an amazing man" when Zoro weilded it. Kawamatsu isn't a fucking retard, the country is in famine, Kaido is on their ass, Hiyori's life is in danger, his own life is in danger. IN the midst of all this, if he can wield a sword that once injured Kaido, he damn sure will wield it

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He meant Koshiro a.k.a Zoro's teacher a.k.a Kuina's father
Oh my bad
 
We have Kinemon clearly stating that he would refuse the sword if it was given to him.
No Zoro is not above the likes of Shutenmaru and the dukes.
Lmaoo fuck outta here, Kinnemon can't wield it because he knows his ass would die. He was literally warning Zoro to not do it, Kinnemon knows the blade is insanely dangerous.

When you are told that no one in Wano history has been able to tame Enma, its a word of God. Its japanese cartoons, no need for "blah blah, they didn't try" "Blah blah Ashura Doji can do it", no if Ashura Doji could do it, he would do it. The country is being enslaved by Kaido, everyone is in famine, Hiyori's life is in danger etc, if any of the remaining scabbards could wield Enma they would.

What latest chapter proves (not that it should be a debate to begin with) is that Zoro shits (without Enma) on all Wano samurai besides Oden and Ryuma.

Not to mentioning mortally wouned Zoro missing his strongest weapon was equal to Kyoshiro who is 99.99% stronger than all scabbards plus he so casually blocked Kawamatsu while Kawamatsu's equal Shutenamaru obliterated Jack.
 
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