Controversial Which arc is worse: Fourth Great Ninja War vs Wano.
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It's hard to be objective, since everybody will vote opposed to their favorite manga.
Imo the 4th Great Ninja War is far far worse just due to the ammount of asspulls in one arc:
- Itachi and Izanami
- the Hokage getting revived due to random Uzumaki clan jutsu only known to Orochimaru
- hashirama cells
- Ashura and Indra reincarnations
- Kaguya
- Neji dying just to connect Hinata and Naruto later
- Madara susanoo without eyes
And I'm probably forgetting a lot
Imo the 4th Great Ninja War is far far worse just due to the ammount of asspulls in one arc:
- Itachi and Izanami
- the Hokage getting revived due to random Uzumaki clan jutsu only known to Orochimaru
- hashirama cells
- Ashura and Indra reincarnations
- Kaguya
- Neji dying just to connect Hinata and Naruto later
- Madara susanoo without eyes
And I'm probably forgetting a lot
Wano imo. I never thought One Piece would get to this level of bad years ago but here we are. It's not just Wano, most of Post Timeskip have been bad tbh.
I think Shinobi War sucks especially for getting rid of Madara in that shitty way and Obito turning good, there was some bad moments I guess but mostly the rest was okay, it still had some great moments here and there, and the ending of it with Sasuke vs Naruto was great.
Wano though... Luffy kept losing and coming like 5 times and kept coming back each time with a power up, like bro? Man was drowning I don't know how much below sea and was randomly found by Law's crew, talk about some luck.
Wano does Zoro so dirty, skipping all his plot lines that were set up for nothing. All to rush a shitty film.
Luffy gets powered up with Looney Tunes PU, turning his fights into garbage.
Tama is dumb and only existed as plot convenience.
Yamato's character is shit.
Big Mom oneshotting Page1 and damaging Ulti was dumb, aren't they supposed to be Usopp & Nami's fights?...
Usopp was so useless this arc.
So much screen time decicated to useless characters nobody gives a shit about like scabbards.
Kaido & BM defeats were unsatisfying to say the least. Magma really?
Etc, etc...
I think Shinobi War sucks especially for getting rid of Madara in that shitty way and Obito turning good, there was some bad moments I guess but mostly the rest was okay, it still had some great moments here and there, and the ending of it with Sasuke vs Naruto was great.
Wano though... Luffy kept losing and coming like 5 times and kept coming back each time with a power up, like bro? Man was drowning I don't know how much below sea and was randomly found by Law's crew, talk about some luck.
Wano does Zoro so dirty, skipping all his plot lines that were set up for nothing. All to rush a shitty film.
Luffy gets powered up with Looney Tunes PU, turning his fights into garbage.
Tama is dumb and only existed as plot convenience.
Yamato's character is shit.
Big Mom oneshotting Page1 and damaging Ulti was dumb, aren't they supposed to be Usopp & Nami's fights?...
Usopp was so useless this arc.
So much screen time decicated to useless characters nobody gives a shit about like scabbards.
Kaido & BM defeats were unsatisfying to say the least. Magma really?
Etc, etc...
Ninja war lost me when:
-'Tobi' taunted all the kages and forced them to go to war with him even though they were clearly shown to be at odds with each other. Plus unless I'm mistaken he didn't really need to go to war to capture Naruto/Bee since all he needed was a portion of their tailed beasts chakra to accomplish his goal, which he had(the tail left behind by Bee after fighting Sasuke and the Nine Tails chakra he could get from Edo Tensei Kinkaku/Ginkaku).
-the war went from a potentially more interesting clash between all the villages to the entire ninja world fighting a bunch of evil plant monsters and zombies.
I thought Wano was fine until Onigashima where it turned into a total offscreen mess.
They're both equally lame to me.
-'Tobi' taunted all the kages and forced them to go to war with him even though they were clearly shown to be at odds with each other. Plus unless I'm mistaken he didn't really need to go to war to capture Naruto/Bee since all he needed was a portion of their tailed beasts chakra to accomplish his goal, which he had(the tail left behind by Bee after fighting Sasuke and the Nine Tails chakra he could get from Edo Tensei Kinkaku/Ginkaku).
-the war went from a potentially more interesting clash between all the villages to the entire ninja world fighting a bunch of evil plant monsters and zombies.
I thought Wano was fine until Onigashima where it turned into a total offscreen mess.
They're both equally lame to me.
Dude, it would be the same thing if Roger neggs diff Kaido, Big Mom, Shanks and BB TOGHETER. Would be nosense.
- The names Obito and Tobi are very similar.
- Tobi's hair is literally the same as Obito's.
- The eye side of Tobi's mask is the same side as Obito's eye that wasn't hit by the stone.
I imagine Kishimoto writing this, thinking people would blow their minds.
- The names Obito and Tobi are very similar.
- Tobi's hair is literally the same as Obito's.
- The eye side of Tobi's mask is the same side as Obito's eye that wasn't hit by the stone.
I imagine Kishimoto writing this, thinking people would blow their minds.
I think it blew a lot of casual readers minds, believe it or not lol.
Kishimoto did a good job giving hints it was Obito with the stuff you said. But since Tobi kept lying about being Madara, it threw a lot of people off and believed he was Madara, and we saw he had long hair in the flashback as well. Then when the real Madara came back, that's when people are like wait who's the other guy lol.
Kishimoto did a good job giving hints it was Obito with the stuff you said. But since Tobi kept lying about being Madara, it threw a lot of people off and believed he was Madara, and we saw he had long hair in the flashback as well. Then when the real Madara came back, that's when people are like wait who's the other guy lol.
Dude, it would be the same thing if Roger neggs diff Kaido, Big Mom, Shanks and BB TOGHETER. Would be nosense.
- The names Obito and Tobi are very similar.
- Tobi's hair is literally the same as Obito's.
- The eye side of Tobi's mask is the same side as Obito's eye that wasn't hit by the stone.
I imagine Kishimoto writing this, thinking people would blow their minds.
- The names Obito and Tobi are very similar.
- Tobi's hair is literally the same as Obito's.
- The eye side of Tobi's mask is the same side as Obito's eye that wasn't hit by the stone.
I imagine Kishimoto writing this, thinking people would blow their minds.
And I don't see why the Obito reveal is bad just because it was obvious. Imo the bad part about Obito only came afterwards when he gave Kakashi his ghost eyes, and when Naruto retconned him into a good guy
This is honestly a tough one, I cannot decide which is worse, but I probably would pick Wano, usually the last arc of a series rarely, VERY rarely ends up well, the story ends, and people’s theories/headcanons fly out of the window, opening them to analyze the series with scrutiny.
Wano is not the final arc, and yet, the Joyboy’s twist has robbed me even of the goodwill to theorize on what other potential good things might happen to me, that’s quite the achievement, I don’t remember this happening when I was bored with the quincies, on when Obito was screaming “Rin” like he was going to Epstein’s island, there were still other things that (potentially) could turn out good, One Piece, now? Eh. It’s impossible for people to turn on Luffy to begin with, so nothing, we’re really on a clown tour.
Wano is not the final arc, and yet, the Joyboy’s twist has robbed me even of the goodwill to theorize on what other potential good things might happen to me, that’s quite the achievement, I don’t remember this happening when I was bored with the quincies, on when Obito was screaming “Rin” like he was going to Epstein’s island, there were still other things that (potentially) could turn out good, One Piece, now? Eh. It’s impossible for people to turn on Luffy to begin with, so nothing, we’re really on a clown tour.
