Spoiler One Piece Chapter 977 Spoilers Discussion
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The alliance such as it is right now is most certainly not strong enough to take on two Yonkos, it's not even sure they can take one down. Whatever we saw of Kaido and Big Mom I feel that it's only the tip of the iceberg of what they can do. And there may be a tragedy that could happen as you said.
This battle may only be the prelude before the real war.
This battle may only be the prelude before the real war.
Well obvious Strawhats won't kill people, so them coming back will be a chance, but doesn't take away they were defeated in the end (Tied in Zoro's case), so even IF PO is coming back later, he still lost to Sanji as doesn't explain why he didn't continue the mission afterwards with Drake and Hawkins, so have to be beaten down to stop him even terrorizing others.
Yes, aside from the boost his overall stats received his advanced armament Haki is a massive jump in strength when combined with his own physical strength. Luffy's biggest obstacle was how to get past Kaido's scales, and now he's fully capable of doing so.
And? this is irrelevant. Luffy got easily manhandled by Crocodile twice in the same arc because he couldn't get past his devil fruit, similar to how his G4 couldn't harm Kaido's body, however after his intense training he already utilized internal destruction, the only possible way for him to harm Kaido and he's "still not ready"? you are trapped into the delusional thought that Luffy shouldn't be close to a Yonko until EoS.
Wake up my man, although Luffy won't solo Kaido, he will deliver the most damage to him and play the major role at his downfall whether we like it or not.
Once again you're trapped in pre time skip delusion, it was said they couldn't kill him, not couldn't beat him. not a single instance in the manga says Kaido is invincible at combat aside of the usual rumors and heresys.
What do you mean by basics of advanced armament Haki? there's basics for Haki in general which Rayleigh had already told Luffy about, but 2nd level advanced armament only offers one ability (transferring damage into targets) which Luffy is currently proficient at as seen when he evaporated a tree without touching it. there's no more CoA training needed for him later.
Oda has built this arc and Oden's flashback specifically to plan for Kaido's downfall. avenging Oden and the Kozuki family by taking down the Beasts pirates > leads to liberating Wano and opening its border > leads to the Oden prophecy coming true.
Saying Kaido won't fall in Wano is literally like pulling the middle finger to Oda's entire storyline, ignoring everything regarding context/plot.
And? this is irrelevant. Luffy got easily manhandled by Crocodile twice in the same arc because he couldn't get past his devil fruit, similar to how his G4 couldn't harm Kaido's body, however after his intense training he already utilized internal destruction, the only possible way for him to harm Kaido and he's "still not ready"? you are trapped into the delusional thought that Luffy shouldn't be close to a Yonko until EoS.
Wake up my man, although Luffy won't solo Kaido, he will deliver the most damage to him and play the major role at his downfall whether we like it or not.
Once again you're trapped in pre time skip delusion, it was said they couldn't kill him, not couldn't beat him. not a single instance in the manga says Kaido is invincible at combat aside of the usual rumors and heresys.
What do you mean by basics of advanced armament Haki? there's basics for Haki in general which Rayleigh had already told Luffy about, but 2nd level advanced armament only offers one ability (transferring damage into targets) which Luffy is currently proficient at as seen when he evaporated a tree without touching it. there's no more CoA training needed for him later.
Oda has built this arc and Oden's flashback specifically to plan for Kaido's downfall. avenging Oden and the Kozuki family by taking down the Beasts pirates > leads to liberating Wano and opening its border > leads to the Oden prophecy coming true.
Saying Kaido won't fall in Wano is literally like pulling the middle finger to Oda's entire storyline, ignoring everything regarding context/plot.
Oh, yeah. I was also a proponent of the War occurring all over Wano. It should be like the great wars in japanese history. Like the Bakumatsu or Genpei War which spanned the lands. That'd be much more thrilling than ending it all in a confined space like Onigashima. Plus, it makes more sense for the land of Wano to be destroyed and then later rebuilt by the people. A way to start over, both literally and figuratively. Leaving behind old customs as they bring everything back from the brink.
You said they were doing team combo and fighting together, but they weren't as they in separate panels in showing moves. Nothing new as well doing random orders as Oda done that before even when they standing next to each other. You guys read too much into it like cloud stuff and backfired on your own statements.
I mean, I expect them to beat at least some fodders on these ships. Especially Nami should be able to wipe out several ships with a single lightning strike due to Zeus but here she is, hiding as usual, lol.
I don't know what Oda sees in these joke moments. They are way too overused, not even a bit funny and just unfitting for a sea battle in the New World, at the territory of an effing Yonko.
And at worst: He only portrays the weak trio as huge jokes when they are supposed to be powerful enough against fodders. They are straw hats as well, part of the crew of the future Pirate King. Heck, what did they do during their timeskip training? It's all meaningless if Oda keeps portraying them as weak cowards ffs.
I don't know what Oda sees in these joke moments. They are way too overused, not even a bit funny and just unfitting for a sea battle in the New World, at the territory of an effing Yonko.
And at worst: He only portrays the weak trio as huge jokes when they are supposed to be powerful enough against fodders. They are straw hats as well, part of the crew of the future Pirate King. Heck, what did they do during their timeskip training? It's all meaningless if Oda keeps portraying them as weak cowards ffs.
Except luffy was stronger than croc, luffy was always physically stronger or equal to everyone he fought, it was just that he needed to figure out the trick to beat them. Against kaid, he was completely overwhelmed in physical stats. Thats the difference. Kaido blitzed him, he one shot him, and took no damage from him. You wanna tell me in a couple of days he goes from that to doing the most damage to him? Sure he can hurt him now. But there are levels of damage he can do, i doubt hes gonna go from doing no damage to doing hard/serious damage. It would be bullshit of thee highest order.
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