Powers & Abilities Swordsman and haki user two different things.
- Thread starter [No Name]
- Start date
Good. Let's assume that acoc shanks > Acoc Mihawk (I think so myself). But Shanks is the top 2 swordsman, Mihuk nom 1. The best fencing in op=acoc haki, technique, black blade, strength. Collectively, Mihawk > Shanks. I have acoc behind shanks. Khaki, Black Blade and the techniques behind Mihuk. The result of the manga Swordsman Mihouk>Swordsman Shaks
Being a swordsman and haki user are two different things, that of course can mix up.
Every swordsman use haki and every haki user can use a sword.
The difference? You have to see which Is the auxiliary things, the sword or the haki.
Zoro Is a swordsman and an haki user, and he uses his haki to power-up and boost up his swordsmaship.
Just like Oden, which sword style was known as the strongest.
<< What he himself called the (strongest) sword style was not a boast, it was the only one that deeply wounded Kaido! >>
VIVRECARD.
While others, like Roger, use mainly haki and their sword as a support.
As you can see even though Oden had the strongest sword style, Roger had the upper hand and could win against him.
Now, Shanks.
Shanks Is known as a top class swordsman, rivaling Mihawk in this regard, with Mihawk having the upper hand an swordsmaship surpassing that of Red Hair.
The question Is: Is Shanks a swordsman? Yup, a Skilled top class swordsman #2 currently and..
An haki user.
Yup, the two things can converge but are threat as two separate things.
But how can you know this? By what's hyped about a character, what Is emphasized about the character? His swordsmaship or his haki?
Oden's swordsmaship Is what was hyped about him, being considered the strongest style.
Roger's haki Is what was hyped about him, same goes for Shanks, even though he's a top class swordsman what Is hyped about him Is always haki, which Is his forte.
Just like Roger:
While Mihawk, Just like Oden Is emphasized for his swordsmaship.
Shanks has inferior swordsmaship to Mihawk, but Shanks's forte Is his haki since It Is the main thing emphasized about him even though swordsmaship comes as the 2nd thing emphasized about him being top class level behind Mihawk.
Edit:
Not even a proof imo but interesting:
If you want you can even use the video game Pirate Warriors 4 which explains my point even though It's not Canon, but that's the idea.
It says that Shanks Is a Skilled swordsman and an haki user.
And It says that Mihawk stands above all swordsmen. (Have to find a good quality images, I'll edit later on)
Again Mihawk stands above as swordsman and swordsmaship wise, but Shanks even though he's considered a top and Skilled swordsman he's considered a swordsman AND an haki user and what Is emphasized about him, his forte, Is his haki.
Every swordsman use haki and every haki user can use a sword.
The difference? You have to see which Is the auxiliary things, the sword or the haki.
Zoro Is a swordsman and an haki user, and he uses his haki to power-up and boost up his swordsmaship.
Just like Oden, which sword style was known as the strongest.
<< What he himself called the (strongest) sword style was not a boast, it was the only one that deeply wounded Kaido! >>
VIVRECARD.
While others, like Roger, use mainly haki and their sword as a support.
As you can see even though Oden had the strongest sword style, Roger had the upper hand and could win against him.
Now, Shanks.
Shanks Is known as a top class swordsman, rivaling Mihawk in this regard, with Mihawk having the upper hand an swordsmaship surpassing that of Red Hair.
The question Is: Is Shanks a swordsman? Yup, a Skilled top class swordsman #2 currently and..
An haki user.
Yup, the two things can converge but are threat as two separate things.
But how can you know this? By what's hyped about a character, what Is emphasized about the character? His swordsmaship or his haki?
Oden's swordsmaship Is what was hyped about him, being considered the strongest style.
Roger's haki Is what was hyped about him, same goes for Shanks, even though he's a top class swordsman what Is hyped about him Is always haki, which Is his forte.
Just like Roger:
While Mihawk, Just like Oden Is emphasized for his swordsmaship.
Shanks has inferior swordsmaship to Mihawk, but Shanks's forte Is his haki since It Is the main thing emphasized about him even though swordsmaship comes as the 2nd thing emphasized about him being top class level behind Mihawk.
Edit:
Not even a proof imo but interesting:
If you want you can even use the video game Pirate Warriors 4 which explains my point even though It's not Canon, but that's the idea.
It says that Shanks Is a Skilled swordsman and an haki user.
And It says that Mihawk stands above all swordsmen. (Have to find a good quality images, I'll edit later on)
Again Mihawk stands above as swordsman and swordsmaship wise, but Shanks even though he's considered a top and Skilled swordsman he's considered a swordsman AND an haki user and what Is emphasized about him, his forte, Is his haki.
Giving Shanksbros false hopes...
Such cruelty...
Sure, Shanks can have better haki while Mihawk is more skilled
doesn’t change his title: the world’s strongest swordsman
I will say, there is a possibility that shanks could have a style of fighting outside swordsmanship. That he could fight using haki blasts alone, as he did against Ryokuyu. But that’s honestly massive speculation and edges on copium.
doesn’t change his title: the world’s strongest swordsman
I will say, there is a possibility that shanks could have a style of fighting outside swordsmanship. That he could fight using haki blasts alone, as he did against Ryokuyu. But that’s honestly massive speculation and edges on copium.
Are you going to deny panel i posted then author doubles up on it this chapter
Are you in need of validation from others when the answer has been in our face since the beginning of the manga?
You can be WSC or WSM and people will still be debating who is the strongest. Even Kaido acknowledges others who stand above him. It doesn't matter what you specialize in. This point will be debated till the end.
Last edited:
Being a swordsman and haki user are two different things, that of course can mix up.
Every swordsman use haki and every haki user can use a sword.
The difference? You have to see which Is the auxiliary things, the sword or the haki.
Zoro Is a swordsman and an haki user, and he uses his haki to power-up and boost up his swordsmaship.
Just like Oden, which sword style was known as the strongest.
<< What he himself called the (strongest) sword style was not a boast, it was the only one that deeply wounded Kaido! >>
VIVRECARD.
While others, like Roger, use mainly haki and their sword as a support.
As you can see even though Oden had the strongest sword style, Roger had the upper hand and could win against him.
Now, Shanks.
Shanks Is known as a top class swordsman, rivaling Mihawk in this regard, with Mihawk having the upper hand an swordsmaship surpassing that of Red Hair.
The question Is: Is Shanks a swordsman? Yup, a Skilled top class swordsman #2 currently and..
An haki user.
Yup, the two things can converge but are threat as two separate things.
But how can you know this? By what's hyped about a character, what Is emphasized about the character? His swordsmaship or his haki?
Oden's swordsmaship Is what was hyped about him, being considered the strongest style.
Roger's haki Is what was hyped about him, same goes for Shanks, even though he's a top class swordsman what Is hyped about him Is always haki, which Is his forte.
Just like Roger:
While Mihawk, Just like Oden Is emphasized for his swordsmaship.
Shanks has inferior swordsmaship to Mihawk, but Shanks's forte Is his haki since It Is the main thing emphasized about him even though swordsmaship comes as the 2nd thing emphasized about him being top class level behind Mihawk.
Edit:
Not even a proof imo but interesting:
If you want you can even use the video game Pirate Warriors 4 which explains my point even though It's not Canon, but that's the idea.
It says that Shanks Is a Skilled swordsman and an haki user.
And It says that Mihawk stands above all swordsmen. (Have to find a good quality images, I'll edit later on)
Again Mihawk stands above as swordsman and swordsmaship wise, but Shanks even though he's considered a top and Skilled swordsman he's considered a swordsman AND an haki user and what Is emphasized about him, his forte, Is his haki.
Every swordsman use haki and every haki user can use a sword.
The difference? You have to see which Is the auxiliary things, the sword or the haki.
Zoro Is a swordsman and an haki user, and he uses his haki to power-up and boost up his swordsmaship.
Just like Oden, which sword style was known as the strongest.
<< What he himself called the (strongest) sword style was not a boast, it was the only one that deeply wounded Kaido! >>
VIVRECARD.
While others, like Roger, use mainly haki and their sword as a support.
As you can see even though Oden had the strongest sword style, Roger had the upper hand and could win against him.
Now, Shanks.
Shanks Is known as a top class swordsman, rivaling Mihawk in this regard, with Mihawk having the upper hand an swordsmaship surpassing that of Red Hair.
The question Is: Is Shanks a swordsman? Yup, a Skilled top class swordsman #2 currently and..
An haki user.
Yup, the two things can converge but are threat as two separate things.
But how can you know this? By what's hyped about a character, what Is emphasized about the character? His swordsmaship or his haki?
Oden's swordsmaship Is what was hyped about him, being considered the strongest style.
Roger's haki Is what was hyped about him, same goes for Shanks, even though he's a top class swordsman what Is hyped about him Is always haki, which Is his forte.
Just like Roger:
While Mihawk, Just like Oden Is emphasized for his swordsmaship.
Shanks has inferior swordsmaship to Mihawk, but Shanks's forte Is his haki since It Is the main thing emphasized about him even though swordsmaship comes as the 2nd thing emphasized about him being top class level behind Mihawk.
Edit:
Not even a proof imo but interesting:
If you want you can even use the video game Pirate Warriors 4 which explains my point even though It's not Canon, but that's the idea.
It says that Shanks Is a Skilled swordsman and an haki user.
And It says that Mihawk stands above all swordsmen. (Have to find a good quality images, I'll edit later on)
Again Mihawk stands above as swordsman and swordsmaship wise, but Shanks even though he's considered a top and Skilled swordsman he's considered a swordsman AND an haki user and what Is emphasized about him, his forte, Is his haki.
If shanks has way stronger haki than Mihawk CoA and CoC he would break Mihawk's sword.
If you guys stop hating you would have save some face.
There isn't a swordfight without haki for the love of God, at least not at high/top tier fights.
Remember Zoro's flashback when he beat pica: even a chip on the blade is a shame.
Mihawk has the strongest sword witch means his CoA at least is the strongest of everyone who fights with a sword. Lol
You need to learn to read and comprehend the manga. Stop making stuff up that doesn't exist just because you can't cope with the fact Mihawk is stronger than Shanks.
You need to stop trying to separate swordsmanship and haki. Haki goes hand in hand with swordsmanship. Wano taught us if you want to be an incredibly strong swordman or swordmaster you have to have powerful haki.
Zoro was taught blackened haki by Mihawk and improved his haki during Wano. The Marines and World government recognize him as a swordmaster because of his powerful haki.
Oden was able to scar Kaido because of his powerful haki. Kaido thought the Scabbards had Oden's haki because they cut him. The Scabbards couldn't scar Kaido even though they used his Oden's famous 2 sword style because their haki weren't strong enough.
The first thing that comes to mind with Shanks is his swordsmanship because he's a swordsman/swordmaster. Every single time we see him doing something he's grabbing his sword. Even when he attacked Greenbull he was grabbing his sword. The Marines compared Mihawk swordsmanship to Shanks.
You completely misunderstand what Kaido was explaining to Luffy about Roger and haki. Kaido was simply telling Luffy that you don't need a devil fruit to become powerful. Haki is all that is needed because it is the strongest power in the manga. Swordsmanship it's not a power it's a fighting style. No different than DF being a power not a fighting style.
As I've already pointed out, which is supported by the manga, you can never become a strong swordsman or swordsmaster if you don't have powerful haki. That means, Mihawk would not be the WSS if he didn't have incredibly powerful haki. Having great haki wouldn't it be enough.
The most interesting thing about your post is how you brush off black blades to the side like it doesn't really mean anything and you put it with swordsmanship category instead with haki user category like a black blade can be created by swinging a sword and parrying better. But that doesn't surprise me since everything we know about a black blades so far points towards it being related to haki. If black blades are created with CoA and CoC haki that will further destroy your headcannon.
You need to stop trying to separate swordsmanship and haki. Haki goes hand in hand with swordsmanship. Wano taught us if you want to be an incredibly strong swordman or swordmaster you have to have powerful haki.
Zoro was taught blackened haki by Mihawk and improved his haki during Wano. The Marines and World government recognize him as a swordmaster because of his powerful haki.
Oden was able to scar Kaido because of his powerful haki. Kaido thought the Scabbards had Oden's haki because they cut him. The Scabbards couldn't scar Kaido even though they used his Oden's famous 2 sword style because their haki weren't strong enough.
The first thing that comes to mind with Shanks is his swordsmanship because he's a swordsman/swordmaster. Every single time we see him doing something he's grabbing his sword. Even when he attacked Greenbull he was grabbing his sword. The Marines compared Mihawk swordsmanship to Shanks.
You completely misunderstand what Kaido was explaining to Luffy about Roger and haki. Kaido was simply telling Luffy that you don't need a devil fruit to become powerful. Haki is all that is needed because it is the strongest power in the manga. Swordsmanship it's not a power it's a fighting style. No different than DF being a power not a fighting style.
As I've already pointed out, which is supported by the manga, you can never become a strong swordsman or swordsmaster if you don't have powerful haki. That means, Mihawk would not be the WSS if he didn't have incredibly powerful haki. Having great haki wouldn't it be enough.
The most interesting thing about your post is how you brush off black blades to the side like it doesn't really mean anything and you put it with swordsmanship category instead with haki user category like a black blade can be created by swinging a sword and parrying better. But that doesn't surprise me since everything we know about a black blades so far points towards it being related to haki. If black blades are created with CoA and CoC haki that will further destroy your headcannon.
Last edited:
