Powers & Abilities What is the worst part about Haki?

[Fn Lucci]

To you, out of several things to pick.

I mean it's obvious that the pieces were in place from the very first chapter with the Sea King. But it's more obvious that he didn't know when and how it would be fleshed out.

Key point: the CP9 retcon. So they know Haki... Tekkai is armament. And yet the most significant feat of Haki, breaking DF powers, somehow escaped them. As if the government installed them but didn't trust them to actually explain the most important part of their training, that would have allowed Lucci to certainly beat the Straw Hats. This goes into a huge can of worms because CP9 was the ultimate cipher pol, the secret one that shouldn't exist. As if CP0 wasn't out there or capable. Rob Lucci was the strongest agent as indicated by Kuma giving lip service. And the one vice admiral who... apparently, would have been able to do everything Rob Lucci could and more.

It's one thing to retcon and revise, it's another to just add random shit together and never explain how it's all supposed to fit.

 

[Mackiss]

CoC being just stronger armament is terrible

 

[mrtsrdr]

Haki is shapeless and non standard power type . Hated .

 

[Peroroncino]

Sometimes you cant tell when its being used especially since invisible armament is a thing

 

[Blackbeard]

Staying ambiguous up until it's relevant for plot.

 

[Uncle Van]

The fact that haki is only explained and used when the plot demands it. It almost like Ancient Zoans and BM are allergic to using COA as defense.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

How only the Heroes get Haki boost from hard battles. Like, that fight was not an easy one for Kaido. Yet he got nothing, no growth. Of course the manga would be over if they did and they bodied the Heroes. But still, Oda should show a villain getting power up mid battle once in a while.

Also, the problem of Oda not having developed haki before timeskip all that much. Why would a veteran like croc or even Moria not have haki at all when they both fought with Yonko? We can hand wave it away with "they lost it cause they lost their will" all we want, but it doesn't make sense. So, oda should have fleshed out Haki more in pre time skip.

 

[Mackiss]

Haki would be much better if it was just to hit logia, this is the only point where haki is absolutely necessary.

 

[MonsterKaido]

That we still don't know its full scope.

 

[Ballel]

The worst thing about Haki is the light show in anime

 

[Fn Lucci]

CoC being just stronger armament is terrible

Including CoC, Oda had Luffy go through armament steps 2-4 in Wano. But for some reason step 4 is just a repeat of step 2.

So the "not touching" that he had Oden experience doesn't look different from what Sentomaru or even the Boa sisters did, and the blades touching when Shank and Whitebeard split the sky was also somehow different.

Sometimes you cant tell when its being used especially since invisible armament is a thing

Toriyama created the super Saiyan look because he got tired of the black shading. So you wonder why Oda's come to the same point with Haki and Gear 5 but only after creating the shiny black visual that covered the entire body of some characters when he didn't even wanna do it consistently in the first place.

 

[Necrohol]

Coc being a requirement to be a top tier (assuming it is, since for now we can't be totally sure) makes almost all top tiers people who were born privileged and with more potential than the rest. OP fruits can also allow you to reach that realm, I know. But that, too, excludes people who just train hard and don't have a hax DF or Coc.

 

[Mackiss]

Including CoC, Oda had Luffy go through armament steps 2-4 in Wano. But for some reason step 4 is just a repeat of step 2.

So the "not touching" that he had Oden experience doesn't look different from what Sentomaru or even the Boa sisters did, and the blades touching when Shank and Whitebeard split the sky was also somehow different.

Its literally a mess

The "not touching" seems to be a thing from CoC coating at the same time luffy said he learned how to attack without touching with CoA in udon

 

[RayanOO]

COC being a chosen thing, you are birth with is honestly lame as hell. Likely the lowest point of haki for me

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But there are lots of other problème : AdCOC and AdCOA being so similar it’s stupid and being introduced in the same arc. It was a mess

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The fact that people use COA and other never…. Like, we have to wait databook to confirm that Uber strong pirate can use black hardening…..

 

[gz89]

That haki is an excuse to everything.

Also Kaido "haki is above all" then proceeds to his finisher move based on his DF.

 

[Mackiss]

That haki is an excuse to everything.

Also Kaido "haki is above all" then proceeds to his finisher move based on his DF.

This is gold

I still don't get why Oda put such a random statement in a fight between 2 of the strongest Zoan of all time lmao

 

[Rkitt]

To you, out of several things to pick.

I mean it's obvious that the pieces were in place from the very first chapter with the Sea King. But it's more obvious that he didn't know when and how it would be fleshed out.

Key point: the CP9 retcon. So they know Haki... Tekkai is armament. And yet the most significant feat of Haki, breaking DF powers, somehow escaped them. As if the government installed them but didn't trust them to actually explain the most important part of their training, that would have allowed Lucci to certainly beat the Straw Hats. This goes into a huge can of worms because CP9 was the ultimate cipher pol, the secret one that shouldn't exist. As if CP0 wasn't out there or capable. Rob Lucci was the strongest agent as indicated by Kuma giving lip service. And the one vice admiral who... apparently, would have been able to do everything Rob Lucci could and more.

It's one thing to retcon and revise, it's another to just add random shit together and never explain how it's all supposed to fit.

CP9 was never the "strongest" or "ultimate". And Lucci was rumored as the strongest CP9, not definitively the strongest CP9 agent.

Spoiler

Fodders in Kuja Island were able to use Haki pre-TS, Luffy with no haki whooped on all of em. Having Haki on its' own never meant you were superior to those who didn't have it, and it still doesn't mean that.


Haki is a pretty simple/generic powertool. The worst is really the fandom trying to make it more important than it actually is. Ie, "if you don't have CoC you can't be as strong as those who do".. etc etc. Or "he doesn't have haki so ha ha ha ha".. you get the point.

Coc being a requirement to be a top tier (assuming it is, since for now we can't be totally sure) makes almost all top tiers people who were born privileged and with more potential than the rest. OP fruits can also allow you to reach that realm, I know. But that, too, excludes people who just train hard and don't have a hax DF or Coc.

All top tiers have privilidge. Not everybody is going to possess the potential that their body possesses.

Like look at Vista & Mihawk. Vista been training as hard any swordsman out there, still can't reach that Mihawk potential.

However, being priviliged with a body that has high potential, doesn't mean that hardwork isn't required. Luffy has been working hard since he was a kid, nobody can deny that. He's reaching his potential due to hardwork.

 

[Garp the Fist]

Almost all of it. All the fun random stuff from earlier in the series is now poorly homogenised into the banner of Haki.

Would have been perfectly happy with most of Haki just being it’s base uses:

CoA lets you touch Logia’s (and folk like Luffy) so they aren’t completely overpowered. Hardest one to take since we lose fun like Croc’s water weakness and Enel with rubber, but a necessary evil.

CoO is Mantra.

CoC knocks people out, and maybe this one gets to be a power boost because it’s meant to be the rarest and best of all, but it’s base use is kind of shit for the most part.

 

[SakazOuki]

ACoC made fights linear
Now it’s endless ACoC clashes, and the one who has stronger haki comes out on top. Kaido vs Goofy was a very timid fight between two exceptionally braindead characters that clashed head on nonstop for 40 chapters or so.

Hopefully we get some different fighting styles, df variety has always been the main source of entertainment.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

It made One piece fights much less creative. Now it’s all about numbers.