Character Discussion This chapter shows the difference between a vice captain and the other underlings
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Yeah, I think trying to sacrifice your and your friend's lives over some girl you met 10 days ago but somehow trust with every ounce of your soul, despite her history as a thief and after her robbing you, all while knowing NOTHING about her past, is kind of a shonen friendship thing, not reasonable thought.
Also, Zoro trusted Sanji. He trusted him to make his decisions and whatnot. To him, Sanji wasn't in any kind of danger. Luffy didn't think he was in danger, either, he just didn't want to let Sanji go.
Also, Zoro trusted Sanji. He trusted him to make his decisions and whatnot. To him, Sanji wasn't in any kind of danger. Luffy didn't think he was in danger, either, he just didn't want to let Sanji go.
Zoro was worried about sanji too.
It was sanji's mistake and a mistake that could cause the death of many strawhats, if we talk realistically.
Sanji made a decision to sacrifice himself and protect everyone without a fight but it was wrong because sanji know Luffy as much as Zoro and the Luffy that sanji knows is a guy that will die fighting for his friends and never abandoned them even if they say : i trick you, i don't want to be part of your crew etc..
If we look at today's chapter and judge it like real situation and not plot saving no mi, zoro was 100% right and the whole crew knew that.
Going blindly to save Vivi against the wg, without knowing where she is because you think is there, could cause the death of his crew members.
In the worts possible situation besides luffy only zoro and sanji are capable of fighting an admiral for example and jinbe could handle himself in lower level but he would be ok.
Everyone else can't even use haki properly and you people wanted them to fight against the wg just to shit on zoro??
On another note..
This scene today was truly a VC moment..
First bring everyone back to their senses, without flip flops just being absolute and straightforward as a sword...
Later everyone was like oh wtf is this and a woman is in danger etc...
Getting up and cutting another element with precision not to hurt bonney while the visibility was poor to say at least...
It was a good moment for Luffy, it was a great moment for Sanji but it was an amazing moment for the VC..
It was sanji's mistake and a mistake that could cause the death of many strawhats, if we talk realistically.
Sanji made a decision to sacrifice himself and protect everyone without a fight but it was wrong because sanji know Luffy as much as Zoro and the Luffy that sanji knows is a guy that will die fighting for his friends and never abandoned them even if they say : i trick you, i don't want to be part of your crew etc..
If we look at today's chapter and judge it like real situation and not plot saving no mi, zoro was 100% right and the whole crew knew that.
Going blindly to save Vivi against the wg, without knowing where she is because you think is there, could cause the death of his crew members.
In the worts possible situation besides luffy only zoro and sanji are capable of fighting an admiral for example and jinbe could handle himself in lower level but he would be ok.
Everyone else can't even use haki properly and you people wanted them to fight against the wg just to shit on zoro??
On another note..
This scene today was truly a VC moment..
First bring everyone back to their senses, without flip flops just being absolute and straightforward as a sword...
Later everyone was like oh wtf is this and a woman is in danger etc...
Getting up and cutting another element with precision not to hurt bonney while the visibility was poor to say at least...
It was a good moment for Luffy, it was a great moment for Sanji but it was an amazing moment for the VC..
Imagine trying to talk sense to a condom.
Zoro confirmed knows the crew and nakama better than Luffy ever does. All luffy ever does is force his own ideals on to others while he is supposed to be the embodiment of freedom. What a retard.
Zoro been knew Vivi wasn’t some helpless princess that needs saving since the moment she was willing to cut off her own legs to fight with him, he has faith in his friends.
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VC moment this....VC moment that. Just being rational = being VC.
Guess when Zoro was wasting stamina like an idiot with Luffy...instead of telling him to reserve it for Kaido.... He also acted rationally ? Sanji was the VC because instead of encouraging Luffy, he stopped him from fighting and acted rational...and protected him from Gifters and what not whilst telling Luffy to conserve energy.
Hmm....of course if Zoro did this it would be a VC moment but its Sanji so who cares.
Of course if Zoro led the Moss Haired Pirates it would be a VC moment. Or if it was Zoro who protected his crew and saved them from a raging BM and he was potrayed alongside Luffy as one of the saviours....that would be a VC moment.
Or Sanji's speech in FI....oh wait I mean Zoro's speech. Yh that was a VC moment as well.
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Yall really take the bare minimum and say its a VC moment. Zoro's current speech was logical but his reasoning was pretty stupid...and was just a dumb excuse to not save Vivi. The others care far more about Vivi then he does....thus they acted irrationally.
Again if we remember EL....Zoro didnt care about what it took to get Robin back. He would also agree with Luffy and act irrational.
Guess when Zoro was wasting stamina like an idiot with Luffy...instead of telling him to reserve it for Kaido.... He also acted rationally ? Sanji was the VC because instead of encouraging Luffy, he stopped him from fighting and acted rational...and protected him from Gifters and what not whilst telling Luffy to conserve energy.
Hmm....of course if Zoro did this it would be a VC moment but its Sanji so who cares.
Of course if Zoro led the Moss Haired Pirates it would be a VC moment. Or if it was Zoro who protected his crew and saved them from a raging BM and he was potrayed alongside Luffy as one of the saviours....that would be a VC moment.
Or Sanji's speech in FI....oh wait I mean Zoro's speech. Yh that was a VC moment as well.
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Yall really take the bare minimum and say its a VC moment. Zoro's current speech was logical but his reasoning was pretty stupid...and was just a dumb excuse to not save Vivi. The others care far more about Vivi then he does....thus they acted irrationally.
Again if we remember EL....Zoro didnt care about what it took to get Robin back. He would also agree with Luffy and act irrational.
I mean these don't really mean nor do they prove shit. People are just enjoying Zoro being what he is established as such by far, far, far more canonical and official sources.
The real VC/#2 is when Zoro is literally called as such in Manga, VC, and every side material in existence while no one ever spat "RHM" or "VC" in Sanji's direction.
The real #2 is when Oda explicitly puts Zoro as such in a cover page showing the #2s.
The real #2 is when Oda, from Usopp's PoV, dubs Zoro as the Shadow Captain, and, again, #2 of the crew.
Sanji is among the two biggest pillars of support for Luffy, his wings, among his two best men, the "Copper", yada, but no matter how desperately you want him to be Zoro, he can't. He will have leadership moments, yes, because he's literally the #3, etc.
All you can do is pull up some forced interpretation all while screaming heresy about and hypocritically pretending literally same interpretations of Jinbe replacing Sanji in M3 don't matter lol (ofc they don't, but neither does the shit Sanji/Killer/Bepo panel you pull out in similar vein).
The real VC/#2 is when Zoro is literally called as such in Manga, VC, and every side material in existence while no one ever spat "RHM" or "VC" in Sanji's direction.
The real #2 is when Oda explicitly puts Zoro as such in a cover page showing the #2s.
The real #2 is when Oda, from Usopp's PoV, dubs Zoro as the Shadow Captain, and, again, #2 of the crew.
Sanji is among the two biggest pillars of support for Luffy, his wings, among his two best men, the "Copper", yada, but no matter how desperately you want him to be Zoro, he can't. He will have leadership moments, yes, because he's literally the #3, etc.
All you can do is pull up some forced interpretation all while screaming heresy about and hypocritically pretending literally same interpretations of Jinbe replacing Sanji in M3 don't matter lol (ofc they don't, but neither does the shit Sanji/Killer/Bepo panel you pull out in similar vein).
Hes not the VC. And Zoro is literally just as irrational as the others....when something directly affects him.
Look at the way he reacted to Yasu's death or Tama's food being wasted. He endangered the allaince twice in Wano when it came to something he cared about.
He just doesnt care about Vivi like the rest do....thus can act rationally. Same way Sanji acted rationally after Yasu's death and told Zoro to cool down and not give them away.
Look at the way he reacted to Yasu's death or Tama's food being wasted. He endangered the allaince twice in Wano when it came to something he cared about.
He just doesnt care about Vivi like the rest do....thus can act rationally. Same way Sanji acted rationally after Yasu's death and told Zoro to cool down and not give them away.